Musharraf’s New Ordinance Hoopla

hamidm

you think sheikh rashid jumped ship in order to give paved roads and running water ? u sound even more naive than this HBS gota

#139 Anil

“Yasser's face here, does not reflect the Pakistani youth”

Is that because he challenges your assertion that you know what is best for Pakistan? Or because of his scholarship – brilliantly articulated - of the “dead and gone”?

re #60 and #139

Anil you may be right about the army democracy nexus keeping each other honest through opposition. I guess thats how democracy is supposed to work. You may also be right about pakistan starting its slow slog out of the wilderness. For all the pitfalls we have faced (most of our own making) education is actually improving and economics even faster than that. In some places believers in womens empowerment have also reached a critical mass. In other places unfortunately this seems even more elusive than ever.
I do think the people of Pakistan and India have genuine commonality and both could both benefit from each others stability and prosperity. I think the process has begun hopefully it will be completed in our lifetimes. I am sure Manto would say the same.
Thanks for your posts.

Re: # 146

ZK:

I just express my opinion. This is from a non-muslim, on top of it - certainly not from anywhere closer to what you hold sacred. Just ignore what I wrote, after all it is just an opinion of a non-muslim.

Re: # 145- yaar agree of not ! Sheikh Rashed is a gem. I mean leave his ( punjabi accent behind ) but just listen to what he says for once. He is quite stright foward as compared to the like of Feudals !

a) Actually it was not Sheikh Rasheed who left Nawaz Sharif but N.Sarif who did not gave his party ticket to Sheikh and sold the ticket to another guy who later lost to Sheikh Rasheed. ( who would you call lota than? - problem is with the elitist mentality which does not allow a middle / lower middle class man / woman to progress and ignores merits )

b) Sheikh Rasheed has worked in his areas - provided his supporters jobs and in return these folks will vote him again in office.

IB are u mad? u think sheikh rashid is a better guy than imran? Imran was offered a ministership by every ruler from zia to musharraf with BB and nawaz inbetween, he himself chose not to work with these chors

u could say he is a hypocrite, u could say he is stupid as well but he is still the best among this lot, and mind u it takes a lot of hardwork to be counted as the greatest allrounder, the father of pakistan's fast bowling revival and to captain and a bunch of unruly hooligans that pakistani cricketers are, and on many an occasion Imran won a match by himself wether it be his bowling batting captaincy or all three. In the 92 world cup he had an injured shoulder was taking pain killing injections and was without his main strike bowler waqar yet he won it with his tactics and batting alone.

imran might have been born with a silver spoon and i dont know what sheikh rashid's backgound was but if Imran didnt work hard to be where he is then no one in pakistan has

have u tried bowling at 90 MPH in the pakistan and Indian summer at 3 PM, on a dead baked pitch, u will sweat blood in 2 minutes, imran did this day in and day out

bulleya, zee:

Thanks for your comments. I also think that the judges will not rule against PM, and, from what everyone is saying, the judges' decision too will be based on realpolitik and not necessarily on what the legally correct position is. But I also think that if they do decide against PM, it will put the US in a quandary; they do not want to see an Emergency nor do they want PM to go.

thats so dumb!
according to you borivilli , Imran Khan is better then Sheikh Rasheed just because Imran Khan bowed at 80mph and won a world cup out of no-where?

Imran Khan as a politician - i dont like but as a cricketer he is a hero. Mianwali where Imran won the election is one of the poorest districts of Pakistan and Imran did nothing to improve it - except making some degree college whereas , next door Dr. Sher Afghan developed his area and brought huge prosperity to his people by bringing in more money and development projects.
Seikh Rasheed and Imran Khan is a 'no-match' in Politics , Sheikh Rasheed is far better politician then Imran whereas Imran is a far more better cricketer then Rasheed.

Imran Khan is a snob and a hopeless leader who mysteriously vanishes when his people needs him.

#146 Posted by ZK on October 7, 2007 12:27:29 pm


Is that because he challenges your assertion that you know what is best for Pakistan? Or because of his scholarship – brilliantly articulated


It's because of the positioning of his cranium vis-a-vis his rectal orifice..

Re: # 150

borivili mian,

....stop comparing imran khan to sheikh rashid if you don't want to suffer the fate of romair (who now hides his shame behind the name of bulleya ) ...... the chowk can be very cruel to foolish people who speak from the wrong end at the wrong time .........

..... even though imran khan's hospital is the biggest beneficiary of my tax-exempt charity contributions, i would compare him to maulana bhashani, nawabzada nasrullah khan and air marshal asghar khan - well meaning men who who wasted their lives protesting and whining and left the scene without any impact on the political scene ....... asghar khan'e own family wouldn't vote for him and in one election a hijra from abbotabad received more votes than the valiant air marshal !

Hamid mian,

(anyone can get go to the store and get fresh milk when they are twenty or thirty - it takes an exceptional man to get fresh milk when they are over fifty ......... and if i remember correctly, our holy prophet (pbuh and his camel) sowed most of his wild oat and drank most of his fresh milk when he was older than sheikh rashid .......)

YLH's favourite bug bear used to get two pints of fresh milk very night at the age of 78. You can page him for greater details.

Borivilli mian,

(he wasnt mad to purchase a cow if milk was available in the market)

I have heard another angle to that story. A woman would be foolish to purchase a whole pig if sausage was available in the market.

Regards

(PS: I hope good Muslimoons on the chowk will not mind my reference to the unclean animal.)

anil #: there is one major hole in your army-politicians nexus and alliance being good for pakistan theory.....before i describe that hole, i think your view is the common view amongst americans and those in pakistan who consider mullahs the cause of all trouble.....

.....americans will support anyone in pakistan who will be their ally in their GWOT, even if the alliance damages pakistan......and the anti-mullah brigade will support any crook in pakistan, if he/she is anti-mullah....

.....the hole is that for any alliance to survive, it has to have some ideological commonalities.....the army, mqm, ppp, pml(q) (and perhaps jui(f) at a distance) alliance has nothing in common.....these groups, ideologically, are at each others throats......it is, thus, a temporary alliance of convenience to keep each other out of the courts.....

.....the army hates ppp, and the ppp cadre hate the army....bhutto's death is still blamed on the army by ppp....and fall of dhaka is blamed on bhutto (amongst others) by the army.....many in the army consider bb to be a security risk.....

......pml(q) blames ppp for assasinating chaudhry shujaat's father....and pml and ppp are traditional opponents.....

.....mqm hates ppp, ever since ppp wiped them out in karachi, through govt. action.....and muhajirs and sindhis are traditional rivals in sindh....ppp is the sindhi party and mqm the muhajir party......

........jui(f) and mqm are traditional ideological opposites......they have nothing in common.......and while ppp has worked with jui(f) on occassion, it is an ideological opponent also.......

even the mqm, traditionally, hated the army....however, now they have allied with musharraf, as he, himself is a muhajir and has given them total power in sind (at the expense of the ppp).....he cannot do that when he is partnering with ppp also.....

........how in the world will this alliance survive......the moment, everyone has washed each others' hands and backs, it will split up.......thereby doing far more damage to the political system than good.......

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Re: # 157

Romair:

I made the following assumptions:

1. Musharaff’s is army’s chamcha, if I my be allowed to say it.

2. The west needs army for many reasons, and army wants power for obvious reasons. Musharaff is their best choice.

3. Musharaff’s is the last general to grab power anywhere in the world. Era of dictators is over and gone.

4. Moderate democracy is inevitable. Responsible leadership is in great demand. Sooner or later competition will be with civilian Musharraff, and younger leaders of Pakistan – and not him with Bhutto, Shariff & Co.

5. You cannot take credit away that he indeed brought in competence, as much as he could. You cannot deny what I wrote earlier about him either.

6. Bhutto (=PPP) will win majority vote, in however corrupt elections may be. Now, there is a corruption on this corruption. Musharaff cannot repeat the last democratic” elections. Besides Chief Justice watching, too many irons are in the fire. You may have named a few, if not all of them.

7. As situation becomes unstable. Army’s actions in FATA in most likely scenario, will only make it more unpopular.

8. Therefore, the choice is democracy with moderates, democracy Iranian model, or bombing back to stone stage – Iraqi style.

Democracy in its Pakistani form must arrive and be rooted, and army must depart before. This is the only sensible conclusion. For whatever you may think of Musharaff, do you honestly believe that he would leave power, if it was to be with government?

At least so far to me, he has played his cards very well. He does not want to be killed before his innings is over.

I cannot say about Islamic world, but I can confidently say that in strategic sessions in Washington, scenarios could not have been painted differently.

Musharaff’s role will not be over, if democracy gains, at least till he has purged army of talibanist elements. Democracy will need, Musharaff more than Musharaff needs Democracy.

There is, truly a lot on the plate of democratic Pakistani, for not to have Musharaff or army on its side. Although, it might look for now, it really be the case army is being forced to marry this bride called democracy. I have faith in this bride, let her in, and she will rule.

After reading of Squib Shiraz, my belief is more confirmed than ever that Pakistan must increase the pool of forward looking youth, not the one’s looking in dead and gone for all answers for present and future problems – hence absence of Yasser’s name in my list of promising Pakistani youths.