Communists and the Making of Pakistan

Re: # 65: This is what Chaudry Rahmat Ali had to say of Jinnah.

"(“Mr Jinnah has acted the Judas and betrayed, bartered and dismembered the Millat, animated by ambition for recognition as the Quisling-e-Azam of Pakistan and Bangistan… a far worse traitor than Janki in 712, Mir Jaffer in 1757 and the Muslim aristocracy in 1857.”)

He was promptly banned from entering Pakistan and died in penury in Cambridge....

Any parallel between him and Nawaz Sharif's case is purely co-incidental, I guess....

Muthu,

I have heard another derivation of the word Pakistan- don't know whether that was RA's coining or someone else's imagination- Punjab, Afghania (incl. NWFP), Kashmir, Iran, Sind, Tukharistan (Tukharistan being the whole of the central Asian Republics)and Balochistan.

Regards

manto (YLH) do you think Ralph Peters thought could become a reality sometime in the near future?

Muthu,

(partition of Punjab / bengal was suggested by many folks well ahead of Mountbatten's time)

Not only that, Bengal was actually partitioned in 1905 (later annulled) on very similar lines to 1947, except that the whole of Assam went to EB.

(Things would have happened more or less in the similar fashion and Jinnah would not have gotten nothing more even if it was not Mountbatten.)

Exactly. No matter who was the Viceroy, there was no way that any INC leadesrhip would have agreed to relinquish control over the vast lebensraum (the reference to a term coined by the white Aryan racist, fascist, misogynist, bigoted freak is purely accidental) populated by a Hindu/Sikh majoriy in E. Punjab, WB and NE, to Pakistan. They would have fought tooth and nail and got what they wanted.

Regards

Adding to my earlier comment, Chaudhary Rahmat Ali, the one who coined the name "Pakistan" seems like an interesting character. He was so offended by the "moth-eaten" Pakistan, he started disparaging Jinnah after he returned to Pakistan in 48.. He was denied a Pakistani passport and finally ended up dying as a loser in Cambridge.

If MAJ (pbuh) had indulged in some brahmacharya with Lord and Lady M he may have got something more than a moth-eaten Pakistan. Unfortunately he chose to call himself a rose and Lord and Lady M two thorns.


Yeah.. too bad. only Mantolives finds Jinnah attractive, looks like Mountbatten and Edwina fell for Nehru..

But jokes aside, partition of Punjab / bengal was suggested by many folks well ahead of Mountbatten's time and Ambedkar has even written about the scheme (that was later followed) in his book on Pakistan much earlier. Things would have happened more or less in the similar fashion and Jinnah would not have gotten nothing more even if it was not Mountbatten.

"totally incompatible perspectives never compromise, nor should they. Those who advocate compromise without highlighting differences are actually invariably working for the interests of one side or other."

Kaalchakra,
The above is absolutely true. Even if we had remained united at the time of independence, I don't think we would have survived for long as united, so in that respect the division in 1947 was good, because it let us make a fresh start, although I wish we could have reduced the human toll and also could have worked on finding a solution to compensate people who lost property, business, etc.

"History would have been different, had the Congress Party paid heed to the Communists then. "

Doesn't matter, at the end we all got the best thing possible. You got your freedom from us, and we got our freedom from you.

"History would have been different, had the Congress Party paid heed to the Communists then. "

Pathetic YLH, get on with it, now that there is an islamic republic of pakistan, mak it truly historic in terms of islam, create records, and you have the latest one,

most people killed by a suicide jihadi

Get over the blame game, stop blaming Zia and gandhi for the jihadis of pakistan, take some responsibility, why not you smash a few photos in pak govt offices for a start.

Read wolpert, the man responsible for pakistan is Jinnah, full stop.

Muthu,

I have seen that map first on a site called Mughalstan.org, dont know if the site still works. Bangistan was Undivided Bengal + Assam, Osmanistan was Hyderabad, Pakistan is what is today's Pakistan incl J&K and undivided Punjab. Then there were Siddiquistan (Bhopal), Farookhstan (Oudh) Moplahstan (north Kerala) + NE Sri Lanka and a few other stans.

(Anyhow I'm happy that "Don-quixote" Jinnah ended up with a "moth-eaten pakistan")

If MAJ (pbuh) had indulged in some brahmacharya with Lord and Lady M he may have got something more than a moth-eaten Pakistan. Unfortunately he chose to call himself a rose and Lord and Lady M two thorns.

Regards

http://www.shelleys.demon.co.uk/dinia.htm

the link is not showing up.. I've given the URL.

That validates my belief that Rajaji was a wise man. Had his economic policies been followed India would have been some other place now.


It is one thing for Rajaji / Periyar to say that they supported Pakistan. They are far removed from the place of action (being from Madras) and had negligible Muslim population their province but another thing for the Congress politicians from the North to accept it. look at rahmat ali's map.

Anyhow I'm happy that "Don-quixote" Jinnah ended up with a "moth-eaten pakistan" than the one suggested by Rajaji.

In Muslim League’s demand for Pakistan the Communists saw the first really potent slogan that could be used to upstage the Unionist Party in Punjab. For accuracy and in all fairness, it must be remembered that the Muslim League itself had made a similar calculation after 1937. The 1937 elections had shown that Muslim League was essentially a party of the Muslim minority in Hindu Majority provinces which enjoyed little support in the Muslim Majority areas in North West and North East of India. This considerably compromised the effectiveness of the Muslim League to negotiate as the main organization of the Muslim minority in India. League needed a slogan that would have appeal in the Muslim Majority areas. The idea of a separate Muslim state had been talked about for a while and even crudely referred to as “Pakistan our fatherland” by Ch. Rahmat Ali.


That's right. I suspect even in 1946, League was dominated by Muslims from the Muslim minority provinces. And the slogan of a "separate Muslim state" is a bogus one. Why would Muslims in Punjab / NWFP / Sindh / Bengal feel threatened by the coming of democracy ?. Especially with Punjabi Muslims forming a bulk of the Indian army. The "separate state" of "Rahmat ali" is completely different from what "Don Quixote" Jinnah ended up with. :-)

This is what Rahmat ali wanted.. Look at the map of Pakistan / Osmanistan / bangistan and other stans of his dreams.. It is funny.

Muthu,

#55

(A lot of people supported Pakistan even from within Congress. Rajaji of Congress)

That validates my belief that Rajaji was a wise man. Had his economic policies been followed India would have been some other place now.

(I wonder if those claims are equally supported by the communists. )

Dunno about that but Surjeet propounded the idea of Khalistan in the 1940s as part of the nationalities theses.

Regards

A lot of people supported Pakistan even from within Congress. Rajaji of Congress, chief of Madras Congress was one. And the opponents of Rajaji in Madras, Ramasamy naicker of DK (called as Periyar) supported Pakistan too. Infact he wanted a Dravidastan along the lines of Pakistan too.. I wonder if those claims are equally supported by the communists. So what's your point??

A lot of them wanted to get some kind of an agreement between Muslim league and Congress so that Brits can no longer bail out with lame excuses..

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