Communists and the Making of Pakistan

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kaal, now combine Charvaak philosophy with that of Baba Nanak," naam japo, kirat karo, vand chhako"
and Kabir's " ek noor tay sabh jag upajey.." and " ek pita, ekas kay hum baarik"

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The Commies did do one good thing in their life on the Indian sub-continent- support the cause and possibly enable the Partition of India. However, they would feign amnesia today if they are reminded of it. However one of their main reasoning for supporting Partition was laughable- their belief that ML was an anti-imperialist body

Sadly the Partition did them no good- in Pakistan that is. They have been wiped out there. Islam may have a thousand faults but there is one good thing to be said about it- it does not allow communism to survive.

Regards

This is perhaps the best article ever published on this site. The article brings forth some POVs that have never been discussed on this forum. Thanks Yasser for talking the time to write it.

The independence and the split of India into two countries was not merely a conflict of two sections of the population but was also a result of major intellectual divisions that existed at that time. The forces that pulled and pushed the whole process were not merely the communalists in major religious groups but also the British and other fringe groups that provided lots of fodder to the intellectual discussions that raged before the partition. The communists were the third largest group in India but there were plenty other groups on both Muslim and Hindu sides that played a substantial part in the independence struggle and they also influenced the division of India.

What we forget that almost all Muslim groups and political parties in India barring the Muslim league were against the partition of India. Muslim League had the electoral majority but it never formed a majority in the Muslim intelligentsia.

Where was that Muslim Intelligentsia? It was part of the Congress, congress supported groups, the educated religious scholars such as Azad and other religious leaders. A substantial number of Muslims were also in CPI and they too had strong views against Pakistan. While the Muslim league won the battle of bodies as it ended up with more Muslim bodies (voters) on it side, it never won the battle of minds. A majority of Muslim minds (intellectuals) in central India opposed Pakistan by all means possible.

Even in the Muslim majority provinces, Muslim intelligentsia was not entirely committed to Pakistan. The Sindhi, Bengalis, Pathan and Punjabi Muslims were utterly confused on the issue but they at least had the opinion that Muslim majority provinces might never have an equal share in independent and undivided India. Some of this confusion was partly due to their own national aspirations. They encouraged the thought of independent provinces outside of the mainland India. GM Syed, Ghaffar Khan, the Bengali leadership and a few in Punjab who felt that they might be better off by controlling the Punjab province by themselves. While the Bengalis, Sindhis and Punjabis sided with Muslim League, Ghaffar Khan was easily defeated in a questionable referendum.


There is no doubt that PC Joshi was an intellectual giant and his thesis as quoted by Yassar was an accurate description of nationalist leaders in Muslim Majority provinces.

However, the question is: was he right in asserting this �it had become an anti-imperialist organization expressing the freedom urge of the Muslim people that its demand for Pakistan was a demand for self determination and that for the freedom of India, an immediate joint front between the Congress and the League must be forged as the first step to break imperialist deadlock.�

I think he made a serious error. Muslim league was not an anti-imperialist party. We can assert that Congress too was not an anti-imperialist party. However, the congress in its over all policy had shown, partly due to its dedicated common members, that it did espouse some of the anti-imperialist ideals. (After the partition the congress on many issues definitely took anti-imperialist stands)

The other error in his thesis was giving big latitude to the Muslim League leadership and affording them the mantle of the leadership of Muslim nationalists. The true Muslim nationalists in the Muslim majority provinces were not part of the Muslim League when PC Joshi’s thesis was approved by the CPI.

Despite Joshi’s thesis and the CPI support of the Pakistan demand, ordinary communist party members including Muslim communists never really agreed with the Pakistan ideals and the approach that ML took. The Muslim communists scoffed at the high visibility of the communalists in the ML and despite the party’s instruction never joined the ML. Mian Iftikahar perhaps was the only big name but he was never a member of the CPI. The other person in Punjab was Mazhar Ali Khan. He stayed away from the Muslim league till the end though he supported the Joshi thesis.

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Also mohajir like Santini from the other side have made themselves super rich and powerfull..Advani sindhi punjasbis .
But still santini feels not at home or unfullfilled

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Cliff
Glad to know that.
Thats why i have said in sadnas Education thread that migrated urdu speaking'Mohajir'did better than Indian mUslims despite the graph.

tolks

the muhajirs are the richest community in pakistan and over represented in the govt beurocracy army and what have you.

That being said ethnicity is AS big a political/social issue in pakistan as in india ...hence our constant tu tu me me ...and our chauvanist politics...its laughable to call muhajirs "second class" though.

kaal right back at ya ...i wouldve supported you against borri's accusation but i am not sure that would have helped either one of us :)

tolks actually i did not say pakis were MORE diverse. And neither did i call ALL Indians monolithic. But in my experiance there is a section of indian chowkies who start frothing at the mouth at any signs of a paki not towing the line of caricature which they seem to believe in so strongly.

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Kaal bhai
we are ALL out of love how can we live without you
all those who seperated like couples might not show there hurt but understandable

#25
Sanatini if you feel that way
"than a second class one in India"

so do the mohajirs in Pakistan.


Your neighbour Either Hindu or Muslim was in the long run always was your best confidante even if there might have been transitary bumps,atleast in India with some adaptations

Later thy both get busy with roti kapda ..sarakbijli paani that more overwhelming than religion which i admit is tooooo much both in hidu and in muslim.India loves Religion

Tolki bhai, that's ok. First, we all genuinely love cliffs. Second, this is simply an exchange of views, and nothing more. :)

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Drlokraj, charvaka philosophy is pure individualistic materialism.

Eat, drink, and be merry, who knows if there is any God, or heaven, or hell - that was Charvaka's sutra. :) :)

#39

I meant bringing out the role of the communists, in the first sentence.

#32
Boriville
"You can see from the speech of this Kaalchakra; sanatani; laddu, jay, arjun etc the level of hatred and propoganda"

You can see the same tunnel vision among paki Zeemax ,Ali Manto ,ahmed Madani even masadi when he is not frothing over uSA

Hi Manto:

Thanks for bringing out the role of Muslims. To Indians, this is another "proof" of the perfidy of the communists. But before Indians condemn the commies as traitors, do you know of any resolutions passed by the CPI or its Punjab unit on this issue?

I would be surprised if the Hindu and Sikh members of the Communist Party in Punjab would have supported the demand for a Pakistan. If they had, at least some of them would have been given shelter by their fellow communists and stayed back until the situation improved.

I am aware of only one communist leader who stayed back, a Sindhi trade union leader (as usual I have forgotten his name) who not only stayed back but chose to remain in a Pakistani jail instead of going to India when offered that choice.

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Cliff .
Hindutva may be monolithic but not India

How can pak be considered more diverse than India.Pakistan has ownly 4 states and languages .India not only has more than 25 states but atleast 20 regional languages and cultures.