Army and the President

Tahmed sahib

Re: #146/140

Zee sahib has a point about the captured soldier. If he is one of the 280 solider captured in one shot. That surrender appears to be more of a defection rather than surrender. I may be wrong though.

Regards

#140 zeemax: no one talks lightly about dismemberment with aerial bombs as you talk about chopping off of heads.

#140 Posted by tahmed32,

btw - chopping off of heads simply demonstrates animal-like behavior ....

And being dismembered with aerial bombs doesn't?

Zeemax sahib,

(All it will take is a military rebellion.)

You are right. But the kind of mutiny that you are envisaging isnt the easiest of thing- armed forces have fairly strong discipline. And for that mutinies don't happen every now and then at least not in modern armies. My opinion would be that a mutiny is a remote affair. Of course I am no expert in military affairs and it wud be nice if Parag or Romair could throw some light on this matter.

Having said that the collateral damage that is taking place in FATA is very sad and I hope someone will sit down and sort things out.

Regards

zeemax: how does that post relate to what i wrote about the captured captain?

#140 Posted by tahmed32,

See below my post to jayp.

Partitioning pakistan,

The scenario is simple. Jihjadis take over pakistan, the world denukes pakistan. The pak airforce is destroyed. There will be civil war, the remainig pak army dominated by the punjabis retreat to punjab. The army splits along ethnic lines.

NWFP joins afghanistan. Kashmir becomes aprt of india. Sindh is independant and may be some part of punjab as another country.

The TNT meets its end and the region lived happily ever after.

zeemax: and tribals were fighting armies centuries before lal masjid and will keep doing so until the government ends their tribal rule through force and introduces local elections as in the rest of Pakistan. so what you are seeing in the tribal areas is not the takeover of Pakistan by tribals, but perhaps the end of tribal rule.

#129 Posted by jayp,

Yes that's what the Lieutenant Colonel said ... surrounded. That was 280 heavily armed troops. And surrounded by how many?

Don't believe everything you hear. The Officer has to make some justification. The military command knows what happened therefore no efforts to rescue them.

"chopping off of heads "

that is the jihadi trait and signature.

Indeed glorying in a bath of blood is something out friend relishes!

zeemax: i saw a bbc interview of a military captain held by the tribals - and the man was totally unfazed by his situation, and calmly told the reporter that the military would free him, either through negotiations or through force. Hats off to this brave soul, and I hope he is freed. Dont talk of head chopping so lightly, btw - chopping off of heads simply demonstrates animal-like behavior and nothing more.

#131 Posted by majumdar,

Actually an Islamist Pakistan is very foreseeable in not too distant future if things continue like this. All it will take is a military rebellion. What Jayp quotes from a Lieutenant Colonel in custody is a good indicator (Thanks Jayp!).

majumdar bhai: you have a point there (about pakistani dictators remaining in power until pushed out). so, i'll exclude zeemax's statement from the list of drama queen statements i put together.

HP writes "Asadi actually I agree with what Feroz wrote in that article. I too believe that all the jihadi and fanatics supporting Jihadis should be quarantined until they are completely detoxed!"

It is quite unfortunate that being a smart and "moral" person you'd support the thoughtless rant of the miserable FerozK. What he is suggesting will not take care of the "evil" you talk about, it will ensure that those lands get a concentrated dose of a problem that the Americans have created in our lands. It will ensure that this farce the WOT is fed and nurtured. It will not end the US/Jihadi game, and the greatest suffering as a result of this barbarism of so-called containment would be to our people, and the greatest beneficiaries would be the US elite, not the US people at large. That is what Bush wants when he talks about fighting them there and not at home and that is what Feroz wants because his first priorities lie with supporting the US and its perverted system rather than the needs of the people of Pakistan- something that is quite clear not only by this point but by the general tone of his article.

Now, you will quite agree with me if you stop and think about it that you came to this agreement and conclusion not because of any intellectual thought you put into this particular point but because you are biased against (maybe for good reason) the Jihadists, their image and their doings are not very pleasant and those of us who have had the bad fortune of dealing with some of them in our lives know that all the more. However that is no reason to abandon the truth and confront those who have created conditions for this evil to fluorish in our lands. Holding the entire Muslim population hostage in an "arc of instability"- i.e. imprisoning them for all real intents and purposes, because of a few among them- a frankenstein of the US creation is not only inhumane it is barbaric and does absolutely nothing to fix the situation, rather it adds fuel to the flame that makes these Jihadists even stronger-i.e. mainstreams the fringe

Tahmed sahib,

Re: #133

Agreed.

I was just talking hypothetically about the havayoon overwhelming the Army and then the US not allwoing a takeover. But as u rightly say, Pak Army/State will never come to that stage.

Regards

#130 Posted by tahmed32,

You quote majumdar "There is no need to be so dramatic or pessimistic." Majumdar can be forgiven for making this statement my friend, but not you. Perhaps, none of you is aware of the scale the events have deteriorated in the entire NWFP, not only the tribal areas. Aerial bombardment by PAF has made things worse than 1971.

And remember what triggered the whole affair ... Lal Masjid!

When will Pakistanis learn?