Whither Pakistan? The Presidential 'Election' and Beyond

What is beyond election,

well it could be famine. Thank the americans, otherwise as the daughter bhutto arrives, the father bhuttos words will be true, ...we will eat grass, but will have the bomb.

US, Australia to supply 0.5m tonnes of wheat
Saturday, October 13, 2007
By our correspondent

ISLAMABAD: The US and Australia have assured Pakistan that they will provide 0.5 million tonnes of wheat on emergency basis to meet the country’s domestic demand.

Official sources at both the missions at Islamabad assured Pakistan that the US alone would supply 0.5 million tonnes of wheat while Australia would also provide the commodity if the country required more in future, sources privy to the development told The News on Friday.

About procurement from the US, an official said it would be a government-to-government deal and the Trading Corporation of Pakistan (TCP) would only facilitate the affairs and then the commodity would be handed over to the Pakistan Agriculture Storage and Supplies Corporation (PASSCO).

Asif,

Here is good news for you. At last, NWFP is following the soudis in deciding to celebrate the Eid. Use of dinar to replace rupees may not be far away.

jayp al mohammed bin majid
faisalbad

from jang of today

Sources told The News that these villages had been completely vacated after Mondayís severe bombing by the fighter aircraft. Contrary to their previous practice, residents of both the tribal agencies observed Eidul Fitr on Friday as per the traditions of neighbouring Afghanistan, which follows the Saudi governmentís decision on moon sighting. Previously, they used to abide by the verdict of a Peshawar-based Ruet body, which usually meets at Masjid Qasim Ali Khan.

LOL

" where a local mullah formed this brigade "

Interesting Parrellel , with the situation of Karachi of the 90's, just swap the word mullah , with Altaf Hussain.

and

" tribals criminals are arming the local talebans "

...another parrellel to the Arming of MQMites , Sell TV ,Fridge etc and Buy Arms..

LOL

How the history has turn full circle, what was then unjustifiable has now become justifiable.

..then it was extra-judicial killings, now its .....I lost for words.

..have you ever considered , with the failure of the WRIT of STATE, and inreasing no confidence in the STATE itself, these ' Crimnal Element ', caught in a vortex of confusion, are just trying to safe themselves likewise....??

wasay Naqshbandi Bhai,
where is Tahir-ul-Qadri now adays?

The problem faced by the army in Tribal Areas is that the FC men are on the run - at a same time most of the kidnappings we hear is from the FC Men running away from there posts.
Then there's this whole situation in Swat which is very interesting where a local mullah formed this brigade - and to top it up these folks had a 'march' publicly.
During my visits to NWFP , I found this strange 'Pashtoon Nationalism' where JI and ANP are of the same view, tribals criminals are arming the local talebans to fight and the smugling is at full scale. Here I would like to point out that more then 90% of drugs are smuggled out of Afghanistan - atleast 60%-70% is transited through Balochistan and Tribal Belt - there is a criminal element involved with this mullah-brigade.
How to deal with them? a full scale army offensive!

Zeemax,

Even your president agrees with my theory. from dawn of today

Kidnapped armymen acted unprofessionally: President


RAWALPINDI, Oct 12: President Gen Pervez Musharraf has blamed a group of more than 200 soldiers for their capture by pro-Taliban militants.

“I think they acted unprofessionally in that they were trying to clear a roadblock without taking any precautionary measures,” he told the BBC.

In an interview with BBC World, he said the troops, kidnapped in August in South Waziristan near the Afghan border, should have made sure “they occupied the heights and dominated the position” before they did anything else.

The soldiers were captured without firing a shot. The militants have told the BBC that the authorities have shown “minimal interest” in getting the soldiers released.

Nasq 9

" ( ottomans) ...however even at its weakest moment in 1924 it was STILL much more of a powerful entity than turkey itself is now. the dismantling of the caliphate was the single most greatest political tragedy for muslims "

You have a fantastic sense of timing, I heard that several Armenians who managed to survive the ottomans have a different opinion.

It is time that the indians start looking at the history, try to find out how the present day pakistan became so ethnically clean. Largest human migration of 14 million people were due to TNT, you mean thsi was acheived without any large scale killings.

MARGINAL THEORY OF TERRORISM,



"Yes, there is a problem with an extremist Wahabi-type Islamic terrorist network in Pakistan but it is very small compared to how many Muslims are in Pakistan."

The above quote from the article has been heard all over the world, usually of the type, most muslims are peace loving, only a few are terrorists. In fact in every endeavor of humans it is only a few that decide the outcomes, it is only a few that have a dominant influence over the society. It is always the changes at the margins that have profound effect.

Let us take the example from economics. If the economy shrinks by say 5 percent for two years, it is a major depression, millions will lose jobs, no one talks about hey, most of the economy, that is 90 percent of it is still intact, it is only a marginal change.

Now let us take something from the social science field. The US is well recognized for its scientific achievements, well not more that 0.1 percent of the people are involved in scientific research, but it is the success of that marginal group that influences the society, makes the US pioneers in space travel, computers..you name it.

Finall take the case of an institute like MIT, not more than 0.0001 percent of teh academic staff have nobel prizes, but all the flow of talent and money to the institute is due to that small group.

So my dear muslims, when you say that only a small percent of muslims are terrorists, spare a thought for

JAYP's marginal theory of terrorism.

Naqshbandi, Khurram,

The Gold Backed Dinar is already in existence and used for trade settlements between Malaysia and Iran from physical gold assets held in London. However the idea has not caught on with other countries because which Islamic country has Gold resources? All significant Gold stocks as well as the mining resources are controlled by Russia, China, USA, South Africa etc etc.

A better idea for an alternate to the US Dollar standard is for the Islamic bloc to have its own currency (say Dinar) backed by its own proven natural resource reserves (e.g. oil/Gas) and issued by a parallel Islamic monetary authority to the holy trinity of IMF/World Bank/US Fed.

#15 Posted by thinkingstorm on October 12, 2007 3:30:09 pm


We could also communicate with each other without pesky indians eavesdropping.


You'd be surprised at the number of indians working on japanese projects and who were trained in japanese.

Great Moments in Science: Islamic Scientists on the Brink of Discovering the Moon In Time for Eid!!

"A wise man once said to me, “Beta, Pakistani masjid ki committee ki sadaarat apni marzi se nahin choRtey, hukumat kaisay choRengay? (Son, Pakistanis don’t voluntarily give up the leadership of a mosque committee, how will they then give up political power?) Those were prophetic words."

Hey Wolfy,

If mullahs do not leave the masjid comittee , how do you expect them to exit once they capture power in Pakistan in the name of "Islamic Revolution"??

Hey wolfy,

Spreading more propaganda on behalf of your Islamist felons?

Tell me , what would be the status of idolators , kafirs, munafiqoons and other non muslims in your Islamic State??

Would you impose jizya and torture us till we all surrender and say the kalima out of fear and disgust??

Would you kill the kafirs like you have said in your previous posts?

Would you nuke the idolator land of India as prescribed by your rapist Prophet??

Come on ,tell us more about what you are going to do with your 'revolution'??

dinar or no dinar - but this Gold Standard is not a bad idea.

Naqshbandi sahib, I am not saying any startling stuff but Pakistan IS an Islamic regime and it has nukes already! And, not to be shocked too much – it already had nukes when the Kargil episode took place.

You see sir, what brings things back to reality is not whether Pakistanis have nukes or not, nor whether innocent people abroad are killed or not – the Pakistani regime cares very much (in fact the only thing it cares about is) that its own members are not hurt. That would be most inconvenient! Then the mullah, or whoever is in power, turns around and starts making deals faster than one can blink one’s eyes!

About that increasing religiosity of the Pakistani awaam – I have just one thing to say (please do not feel too bad):

“Diya bujhney ke pehley joar se jalta hai!”

re: # 9

"i don't know much a bout economics but what is wrong with changing the rupee into the dinar? i also think we should consider ourselves a part of the middle east and islamic world instead of south asian and make arabic a national language with equal status to urdu. this will ensure our future lies in the west and not eastwards. i have heard that the founders of pakistan initially did plan to make arabic the national language but pressure from the mohajirs made them choose urdu. i am sure mantolives can elucidate that point. this would be a first step in the creation of a EU-model based islamic union of nation states within an islamic ethos of course with a common currency -dinar -and free trade and no borders."



This is a great idea...I'm with you on this Naqsh bhai...I don't know why Pakistanis didn't do it sooner...they've named cities, mosques and stadiums in their country after Arabs anyway...and are selling their islands and err more delicate and feminine things to those rich sheikhs...this will get those pesky hinjew monkeys off pakistani backs...man, those dal-bhaat eating hinjew baniyas will be so pissed...I think you missed the mark a little by including Urdu as one of the languages allowed Naqsh bhai...Urdu has too many jahil verbs with roots in Pakistan's kafir past...we should make Arabic the sole language in the country...that way we can provide employment to the millions of jobless Arab men who can come to Pakistan and teach us the rasool-e-islam's (pbuh) language...they can also marry Pakistani women and create the elite of the future Islamic race...from this union will spring the real mard-e-momin...the sons of these unions will have superhuman powers which will make them all ghazis in battle and the daughters will carry the beauty and genes to produce even more superhuman ghazis in the future.

Allahu Akbar!