Anand Patwardhan October 11, 2007
#1 Posted by Urstruly on October 11, 2007 12:03:31 pm
I think a US-India nuclear "deal" works well in favor of Pakistan. And we should be just glad that no such offer was made to us. The problem with Americans is that their companies, Haliburton on top of the list, are extracting nuclear fuel material from Central Asian republics like there is no tomorrow. But they can't sell it to other nations; can't expand their market. So if India signs the deal it will have to sign NPT and will be subject to IAEA regulations.
I don't think that in the end Hindu will go to that kind of hassle when same material is availble from Russians with no strings attached.
#2 Posted by arjun3 on October 11, 2007 1:17:38 pm
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#3 Posted by arjun3 on October 11, 2007 1:19:08 pm
#1 Posted by Urstruly on October 11, 2007 12:03:31 pm
So if India signs the deal it will have to sign NPT
Umm...I'm sure you didn't pull that out of your own ass because to do so, you'd have to get your head out first..
so where did you pull it out of?
So if India signs the deal it will have to sign NPT
Umm...I'm sure you didn't pull that out of your own ass because to do so, you'd have to get your head out first..
so where did you pull it out of?
#4 Posted by ahmedmadani on October 11, 2007 7:56:23 pm
This corageous young man. He has been tortuted many times by indian govt police people. He was one of few who agreed with pakistan about kashmir and suggested to give back pakistani terrotaries of pakistan like kashmir, and Nizam state and freedom to tamil and sikh people. He is extremely antielite and always beaten by indian police.Every country needs such self people. He had nice article and he is for good things humanity, heling poor, against nuclear bombs and and nuclear power. He could have become big man in hindi movies but opted for poverty and be friends with slum people. Hope international Human right protect him from bad people.
#5 Posted by ahmedmadani on October 11, 2007 8:12:11 pm
Re: # 1 Ustruely you are right. Indians have decived usa all times. They are useing china card to suck concessions. THEY will NOT BUY STUFF FROM USA. THIS is called loosening tactics and lowering prices for stuff they want. They are talking with Russia, china and specially with australia tobring down prices. Once I quoted what mr. Kissenger said about Indians , tthey make fool of others nice talking and stabbing people. Now we can learn from them in Iran gas price fixing. We have made mistake by agreeing to bargain for price at short intervals instead of as India sticking to energy price basket as Japan pays, as that will be fair only. You can not allow supplier to change price as price change will be always upward. Still we can hold and deley agreement on price formula and drive down prices. Too nuch gas production is leading to loss to international dealers. Canada is closing gas fields and gas output is reduced , international prices are depressed and we offering "too good" price with advantage on irani side to increase gas prices intermittently.USA will be dissatisfied with India not being antichina but by that time they have taken advantage ungentlemanly. You should not underrate enemy, there is war going with india unofficially. The gullible are talking about peace and they are laughing. It is credit to president at least he said India shoould helping terrorists in B.Stan, good start of being frank.Canada has also yellow cake but india want cheapest from australia the ore. Indians are useing america to start bargaining in international market for bomb stuff, yes they will use little for energy but you have correctly understand as usual Amerca is taking short cut and repent.
#6 Posted by KaalChakra on October 11, 2007 8:18:28 pm
Madani sahib, so long as Patwari sort are alive, you and ustruly bhai need have no worries. Your interests will be fully protected.
#7 Posted by ahmedmadani on October 11, 2007 9:09:41 pm
Re: # 6 I am not sure about that. Those all bombs will not be flying to Ustruly to usa or canada but to Karachi to madani easily. As once Dr Khan told Mr. Nayyar in anger he can destroy bombay and delhi in few minutes , other party can also lead to massive retaliation is problem. I do not want next 20 years then you can blow each other I will be gone, then you can blow each other.I think lahore is best safe as Indian army full of Punjabis of all sort will not bomb Lahore as they love lahore as Salmon fish.All punjabis at heart want to die in Lahore even those who have not stepped there. USTRUly and other expaks can have caviler attitude such as autopsy doing doctor with rational mind. At other end end will so fast no pain. All interesting .Good day.
#8 Posted by Pardesi on October 11, 2007 9:09:54 pm
#5 Madani
Good news for you! Please do not loose sleep.
You have same desi genes as us. You have also played "cards to suck concessions" from many e.g., China, USA, Saudi Arabia, CEATO etc.
Hope now you feel better :).
Good news for you! Please do not loose sleep.
You have same desi genes as us. You have also played "cards to suck concessions" from many e.g., China, USA, Saudi Arabia, CEATO etc.
Hope now you feel better :).
#9 Posted by harimau on October 11, 2007 9:13:12 pm
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#10 Posted by majumdar on October 11, 2007 10:05:39 pm
Harimau,
(Can they answer this one simple question? )
I will answer it on their behalf. They will oppose anything that is in India's best interest.
Regards
(Can they answer this one simple question? )
I will answer it on their behalf. They will oppose anything that is in India's best interest.
Regards
#11 Posted by HP on October 11, 2007 11:11:44 pm
This is interesting. Sounds like people are quick to abuse the author but have no response to the issues he raised.
Indians just love slavery!
#12 Posted by dost_mittar on October 12, 2007 1:25:15 am
It would be easy to dismiss this article as the usual clap-trap of the China-loving, India-hating commies and Madani saheb in his post#4 has disrobed the author in his inimitable way. But we shouldn't.
Despite the fact that the communist bloc has its own ulterior motives for opposing this move, there should be genuine concerns regarding this agreement among Indians. The undeniable fact is that this Act would increase the US leverage over India and the US is one country which never hesitates to use all the leverage it has when it comes to its interests. Indians should remind themselves that the US did use this leverage against India when Vajpayee mobilised its armed forces and threatened Pakistan to agree to its twenty demands following the attack on Indian Parliament: It issued a travel advisory against both India and Pakistan, which was effectively only against India as nobody visiting Pakistan those days in any case. This created a rush of the IT companies in Bangalore to go to New Delhi and successfully plead with Vajpayee to move back the forces.
This deal may still be in India's interests and the Bush administration has indeed used all its influence to get it passed by a reluctant Congress. However, it is right to remember what India would be swallowing in order to get the benefits that this deal would bring India. And those benefits are indeed substantial despite what Mr Patwardhan and his ilk might say.
Despite the fact that the communist bloc has its own ulterior motives for opposing this move, there should be genuine concerns regarding this agreement among Indians. The undeniable fact is that this Act would increase the US leverage over India and the US is one country which never hesitates to use all the leverage it has when it comes to its interests. Indians should remind themselves that the US did use this leverage against India when Vajpayee mobilised its armed forces and threatened Pakistan to agree to its twenty demands following the attack on Indian Parliament: It issued a travel advisory against both India and Pakistan, which was effectively only against India as nobody visiting Pakistan those days in any case. This created a rush of the IT companies in Bangalore to go to New Delhi and successfully plead with Vajpayee to move back the forces.
This deal may still be in India's interests and the Bush administration has indeed used all its influence to get it passed by a reluctant Congress. However, it is right to remember what India would be swallowing in order to get the benefits that this deal would bring India. And those benefits are indeed substantial despite what Mr Patwardhan and his ilk might say.
#13 Posted by dost_mittar on October 12, 2007 1:26:49 am
#12:
Sorry, I meant "China-loving, US-hating commies" (not India-hating).
Sorry, I meant "China-loving, US-hating commies" (not India-hating).
#14 Posted by majumdar on October 12, 2007 1:30:18 am
DM sahib,
{Sorry, I meant "China-loving, US-hating commies" (not India-hating). }
No need to say sorry. The commies hate India as much as they hate US, maybe more.
Regards
{Sorry, I meant "China-loving, US-hating commies" (not India-hating). }
No need to say sorry. The commies hate India as much as they hate US, maybe more.
Regards
#15 Posted by IB on October 12, 2007 2:49:38 am
There is only one thing more useful in politics than having the right friends, and that is having the right enemies. I think the UPA government is 'right' *looking at the Indian National Interest* to sign such a deal, let there be no doubts about it.
Although Ayub Khan *one of our very own brands who ruled Pakistan and is one of the co-accused for breaking up East Pakistan and sign deals like CENTO,SEATO and Bhadad Pact* during the end of his life - commented ,
'it's bad to be a American Enemy but Lethal to be his Ally'
Although Ayub Khan *one of our very own brands who ruled Pakistan and is one of the co-accused for breaking up East Pakistan and sign deals like CENTO,SEATO and Bhadad Pact* during the end of his life - commented ,
'it's bad to be a American Enemy but Lethal to be his Ally'
#16 Posted by IB on October 12, 2007 2:53:26 am
btw, I have a friend ( a Chinioti Businessman - who owns one ofthe biggest rubber factory's in India uptil 1980's and who's g'father was mayor of Calcutta twice ) - moved to Karachi , Pakistan recently and is full of disgust and hate for 'Commies' as according to him - they ruined West Bengal.
Sometimes, I think the Religious Right in Pakistan could be compared to the Commies in India - both extreme.
Sometimes, I think the Religious Right in Pakistan could be compared to the Commies in India - both extreme.
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