Can Religious Leaders Redeem the Future of the World?

dm #228 good cop out, dm sahib. just do me the favor of not mis)representing my views in future. it will save your precious time, and my useless time doesnt matter of course.

ahmedmadani#233:

Yes, for now, but not sure for how long? The Kurds love for Kurds rebellion in Turkey might be their undoing. They have the same fatal attraction for an independent Kurdistan that Pakistanis have for Kashmir.

Re: # 218 Kurds are winners ?

Re: # 71

freethinker

"But what perhaps impedes understanding of the situation more than anything else is that the term "mankind" feels vague and abstract."

But what about the term 'religion'? It is more vague than the term 'mankind'. It includes anti-human cults like those of 'Kaali Devi' and 'IslamoFascists' to the great humanistic 'Buddhism'. We see 'pure' spiritualistic religion like 'Makki' Islam turning into an over-politicised 'Madni' Islam, leading ultimately to the carnage of the very family of the Prophet.

Why limit the interaction to Muslims and Christians only? Let's join forces with all religious/non-religious belief systems. Afterall, this planet is but ONE, yet we are as people MANY.

hamid writes "i seriously doubt the neocons had any idea that there was so much animosity and hatred between the various groups in iraq ..... , a trifurcation might be the best solution for the people ....... "

Quit playing the MAJ (MFJ) role of dividing up a country based on the nonsense that they cannot get along- the US invasion is the cause of all the animosity and hatred that exists, the US has played one group against the other and might even be involved in particular instances- those people have had a long history of living together in peace and harmony and the only grievance the shias had were not against their sunni neighbours but against a regime. The sectarianism was inflamed by the US when it rushed to Saddar city at the fall of baghdad in order to use those thugs and punish the sunnis under the guise of "debathification"...

Re: # 227

dost,

.. no the are not better off now, but they will be if the country is trifurcated ..

tahmed#221:

Okay, you win. You are not an admirer of the West. I have to go to Montreal now. Have a nice weekend.

hamidm#220:

I am not saying that big is necessarily better but can you honestly say that the Iraqis are now safer, better fed, clothed or even less under the Mullah yoke than they were under Saddam? In case you missed, your friends have turned perhaps the least sexist and most secular Arab country into a sharia-based one. Great going!

Also, you underestimate the Intelligence strength of the neocons' middle eastern friends. They knew better than anyone else the shia-sunni schism in Iraq.

tahmed writes to dm "Accusations and misrepresentation of views without burdening oneself with substantiating them is your privilege. Not wasting my time with them is mine.

Have a nice day"

Please note this oft repeated "strategy" of this moron. Whenever stumped by an argument he claims responding to it is a "waste of his time", when his dimwitted arguments (always in support of the official US position- submitting to them completely), and not only ill thought out they are mere cheerleading and fake emotionalism. Ignore this sos (where the latter s stands for swine), only keep exposing him and his pro-West BS.

#202 Urstruly,

It is anybody's guess that Bezamir has brought with her truck loads of dollars to establish PPP militias, which will be obviously trained by NaPak fouj. The civil war is written on the wall and so is the kidnappings, torture, and abu-ghraibs.

Right on the mark. That's what the newly recruited 20,000 strong "Janisaar-e-Benazir" are obviously for. Add the MQM armed wing to it and you have a perfect Iraq/Nicaragua mix Negreponte style.

Re: # 220


The fault lines are less with respect to language and culture - there were thousands of small tribes each claiming to be a nation but all that is now past- even one mohallah and gali claimed to be a different nation !!! But that is all gone. Presently the fault lines are more in respect of religious differences especially where Islam comes in to claim its political space.

where are these shameless 138 mullahs who claim to be brokering the peace between Islam and rest of the world!!!

How about attaining some peace with in themselves first?

hamidm #216 the prescription you provide (fire all iraqis) was tried early on, and even its authors now admit that it was one of the biggest blunders in the iraq war. And who was sent to run Iraq - individuals who passed the neo-con ideology test. Thus, a 21-22 year old genius was put in charge of building the iraqi stock exchange e.g.

over eid, i met an iraqi gentleman with most of his family living in baghdad - i asked him what was the biggest problem his family faced, and he surprised me by saying it was the lack of electricity (not security). I asked him why was electricity such a big problem - he told me that all electric generators were blown up in the war by the geniuses running the war. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot!!

#217 dost mittar: so, you misrepresent my views, are unable to back it with anything other than a post written without the benefit of hindsight over four years ago which I then take the trouble of explaining. You ignore that, and rather than simply apologizing for misrepresenting my views you do some masadi-style stonewalling by claiming that you didnt have the heart to look for the really, really terrible posts I had written.

Enough said. Have a good day.

Re: # 218

dost,

.... your line of reasoning is pretty good even though i don't fully agree with - i seriously doubt the neocons had any idea that there was so much animosity and hatred between the various groups in iraq ..... but now that it is obvious that these people cannot live together in peace, a trifurcation might be the best solution for the people .......

.......the notion that big is better does not hold true for nation states ..... the people of the chezk republic and slovakia are much better off today, as are the people of slovenia, serbia, bosnia and montenegro (and russia)......... if the british hadn't arrived on the scene to hold 'india' together, the subcontinent would have been like europe, consisting of many independent states, and we would all have been better off ..... imagine an independent punjab without the burden of bihar or waziristan ........ sigh !