Can Religious Leaders Redeem the Future of the World?

Also, I want it to be noted that I agree with most of what masadi the fasadi writes. Other than his anger directed at gentle souls like Gill sahib and Dr. Sohail. I also support his fury at Manto, for I think that cretin truly deserves it.

Jeeyo masadi jeeyo ...
with much respect,
thinking storm

It is sheer nonsense I did not expect from Mr. Gill.

As Allama Iqbal had said:

"Deen-e-Mullah (professional religion abusers, misnamd 'Ullema') fi sabilillah fassaad"

It would be a bad day for the world civilization if they both, the Islamic and Christian Mullah, get together.

tehshah:
Although I generally agree with what you wrote about mullahs, yet if they suggest to do some good through their religious influence on the masses, why should we denigrate it? Howsoever hard you may berate them stereotypically, it is a fact that they have greater influence on the masses than the highly enlightened (!) people like you and me. And if they purport to use their influence for a good cause why should we put them down? We should not prejudge and become purposelessly doomsayers.
The intent of the letter that the religious leaders wrote is good. Whether they'll deliver the purported good, we've to wait and see. They will hardly worsen the existing situation which already seems to be at its worst.
If anybody intends to try to produce peace through peaceful means, I support him (her) no matter who he (she) is. We have been brought to the existing apocalyptic juncture by a propaganda of hate; let us try to move away from it and advocate peaceful means for seeking peace. It is better to talk than to bomb.
Mohammad Gill

The West would feign surprise that their arsenal of nuclear weapons and stockpiles of other WMDs is seen by the Muslim world as a threat to it and would counter with an assertion that on the contrary any technology acquired by the later is an absolute disaster to the West if not to the world at large. Hence the song and dance and protests against Iran’s efforts for example, to acquire nuclear technology. In spite of its repeated assurance of it being for peaceful energy generation.
It is generally stated that the West in this regard employs double standards. This suggests that there is some kind of standard in the first place. It is obvious that there isn’t any standard at all!
In layman’s terms, wasn’t there an assurance given in a treaty that the Nuclear Club would dismantle its nuclear arsenal by 1997? One understands from the ex-UN Ambassador Richard Butler, that by 2005 the signatories have not even started the process of dismantling their weapons! And perhaps not even now. Instead we now have additional so called nuclear rogue States, although some are considered friendly and others as Evil States.
Why does not the West realise that by erroneously and misguidedly singling out the Muslims as anti Western and its reaction to the injustices perpetrated in, say the Palestine-Israel issues among others in the Muslim world, the West is creating the atmosphere of hatred with religious overtones. The language of this particular US Administration with terms like the Crusade and Evil etc and turning once Muslim friends into enemies is the main source of the state the world has degenerated into today where Christians, Muslims and every body else is suffering.
No the religion and religious leaders have nothing to do with the situation. For there is a LOT IN COMMON WITH THE TWO FAITHS, except the politicians.
Rashid

BAN BRAINWASHING!
CELEBRATE TRUTH!

Mohammad Gill

Teshah ji has a bit of an unusual take on matters of religion.

One is guessing, teshah ji thinks of this 'letter' as an offer by one bunch of medievalistic bigots (in his view) to another bunnch of medievalistic bigots (again, in his view) to arrive at a mutual accommodation, that would then allow both of them to divide up the world among themselves.

teshah ji seems to see this not as any effort to "redeem the future of the world", but as a proposal to jointly mess up that future for all others, but themselves.

teshahji, please correct me if I misunderstood you.

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Mohammad Gill, you can debunk teshah ji's theory by showing clearly how these Muslim Scholars are interested in securing the future of the entire world and not merely in gaining the support of medievalist Christianity.

(not having read the letter myself, don't know whether teshah ji is right or not)

These 138 Mullahs are blood sucking parasites and need to be made to earn for their living than fantasizing about the rest of the non muslim world paying jizya to them after acepting dhimmitude!!!

What a waste,

The 138 muslim scholars instead of writing to the pope, should have declared that there is nothing like a muslim world, the sunnis are killing teh shias, the tribal muslims of pakistan are killing the mulsim punjabi soldiers, the arb mulsims of sudan are killing the black muskims of sudan ( evry much in line with pak penchant for their beauty and fair colour )

Secondlly they should declare that the 9/11 achieved nothing for the muslims.

The london bombers and their trainers in pakistan should be prosecuted.

That would have been a good indication that the muslim scholars have joined the civilisation.

It is pathetic that such irrelevant propaganda about the actions of ignorant mullahs gets the bandwidth on chowk.

Gill saab please do try to stop this types of wrticles.

These 138 are totally off the mark. They're probably all 'sufis'.

These are neither crusades nor is this a war between Islam and Christianity as a faith. It is between the Muslim apostate regimes and some of their peoples aligned with western powers of whatever faith (or none) who're looking for raw materials to produce plentiful useless goods in excess of their own markets, and then someone to consume this excess production of useless goods by making them adapt their cultures towards this end; and between those Muslim folks who have an alternate politico - economic system ingrained in their faith, and want control of their markets, don't want this junk, don't want to abandon their cultures, and don't want to have to keep dishing away their resources to those who manufacture the junk just to keep the standards of living up in their own lands - while at the same time hanging on tight to any worthwhile technology.

In short, it is all about 'globalization'.

However, Islam is the ONLY motivational force in existence to withstand and resist this onslaught, and therefore its lethal version has bared its fangs. Beware when this happens because nothing will stop it before it achieves its ends.

An extract from a previous UP thread is relevant:

Bhai, this conflict is NOT about Islamic ideology. It is about foreign occupation of Afghanistan which is only another country in you liberals' puny dumb minds but the SAME country for the FATA tribals (they don't give a rat's ass about Durand Line). They're fighting for its liberation and you apostate Pakistanis are killing them (and their schoolgirls, and their old and young) for their doing that. This is totally unacceptable for them. Their terms of staying loyal to Pakistan since the very outset mandate NO Pakistan army inside their territory. If you send it there, they will kill your army. Period.

Secondly, the larger conflict in the rest of the Islamic world (Terrorists? Fundamentalists?) is also not about Islamic ideology. It is all about resisting the projection of US military power in Muslim regions to maintain the US single political & economic system, which is considered by large segments of their populations as exploitative.

Islam is an alternative politico-economic system to the US type Capitalism, PLUS a huge motivating force in the rationale for violent Jihad. That's why the resistance has taken an Islamic form. However, religion was never either the initiator nor the raison' detre for it to begin with.

The backlash against muslims post 9/11 has been there in Europe if rather subtle, from planning permission for new mosques to tighter immigration laws. Unlike US, muslim countries are on the doorstep of Europe so for this reason it has to be very careful not to antagonise them, it relies on them for its energy needs, also maybe in the near future for its manpower needs, because Europe’s population is ageing fast for it to maintain its living standards it would have to import upto 50m people in the next 20 to 30 years, unless ofcourse there is new technology which would do the work of humans.

Zeemax sahib,

Re: #25

Basically Kanjarooon v/s Havayooooon.

Where wud u put countries like China, Japan and Korea in this debate? On the side of kanjarooons or havayoooons?

Regards

majumdar: the orientals would be the kanjalooons. (no "r").

aslam #26: other costs of the mindless anti-west attitude of the mullahs/terrorists is the blocked independence of Kosovo and the opposition to Turkey joining the EU.

On immigration vs automation, Japan has taken the latter road with factory automation, and Europe may end up being the beneificary of advancements made in Japan.

Koleans and Madalins ale all kanjaloons

Legalds

Re: # 26

Europe does not need Arab world (that includes Pakistan).

It can just look up to over populated India and China for its labour needs.

Regarding energy needs- The panic buttons are already pressed and alternative 'sources' of oil as well as energy are now on the way.

Re: # 24

Perhaps that is the way the 138 mullahs are trying to seek employement in the modern world - by trying to be 'brokers' to the violence being inspired, instigate and nurtured by them.