Can Religious Leaders Redeem the Future of the World?

Baitullah Mehsud had already warned that suicide bombers would be waiting to "receive" her. And that was really another magnificient work of a "true muslim".

That Mushy is not only strange, he appears to be totally retarded.

In the case of Lal Masjid, where there was no imminent threat to public security and citizens' lives, he moved in a deliberate, massive, costly, and murderous manner to kill hundreds.

In the case of Karachi, where there were open threats from Wanna Wanna about suicide bombing, this imbecile dictator provided no security for the unruly mob of welcoming paindoos.

...and this is the genius who was going to take Kargil away from the Injuns?

Actually these MMA mullahs are just a front for the Talibanis.

MMA actually is scared of women as Prime Minister of the pure Islami land of Pakistan. Imagine a woman leading all those pure bloodied momeens as Prime Minister when she should actually be at home working for her family in purdah.

Nawabzadaa Nabiullah Khanin Feb 1999 "Jamhooria Islamia" interview says it more explicitely-

EQUALITY OF MEN AND WOMEN IS STUPIDITY
Q: The women issue is very controversial nowadays. Taliban and some fundamentalist organizations restrict the freedom of women while some progressive Muslim intellectuals are insisting that the women are equal to men in all spheres. What are Qazi's views on women?
A: As I said earlier, the Prophet Mohammad's (PBUH) views on women are the exact views of Qazi Ahmed and the Jamat. Equality of men and women is stupidity. What men can do, women cannot do. Women are weak physically and mentally compared to men. Men have to take care of women all the time.
WOMEN MUST STAY HOME
Women should not have a life outside the family. Education can be provided to them, but not to compete with men in public.
NO VOTING RIGHTS FOR WOMEN UNDER SHARIA
Qazi had said once that when JI comes to power in Pakistan, he will abolish the voting rights of women and minorities. Only the Muslim men can participate in voting or standing for elections. When I asked the proof from Hadiths, he had quoted many Hadiths in support of that. I asked him why is it that it is never talked about openly in the public by the Jamaat? Qazi had said that the hints are all over the place. But JI did not make it a big issue since the women who currently have the voting rights may vote against JI in the elections if such a thing is said openly.
NON MUSLIMS IN MUSLIM COUNTRIES MUST PAY JIZYA
Q: That brings us to the question of minorities. Will they have to pay Jizya tax?
A: Yes. They have to pay the tax. As explained by Qazi Ahmed , the idea of Jizya is not protection money. But it is a monetary force on the non-Muslim to convert to Islam. Once the Jamaat comes to power, the minorities will be induced (forced) to become Muslims either by monetary or psychological factors."

Wow, these pure bloodied momeems are amazing !! They can blow themselves up and hundreds of other munafiqoons in order to ensure that purity of Islam is not diluted by a women aspiring to be the PM or that by that clean shaven man in army uniform.......

Allah hu!!!!

Allah hu!!

hamidm#161:

I think that there is more validity to masadi's accusation of our mutual friend tahmed as an uncritical admirer of the West than your putting him in the same category as the zees and urstrulys.

From the way I have understood tahmed during the last several years at chowk, he too hates the same things about Islam that you do. But unlike you, he loves his faith and is no less passionate about it than the likes of zee, urstruly or naqsh. So, he refuses to blame what you think is the root cause, the Book and the Prophet, and blames the Mullahs for everything that ails the islamic world as nothing ails Islam if I understand him correctly. I consider him to be truly eligible for the title of the Defender of the Faith and he will not tolerate any criticism of Muslims without at the same time mentioning that other religions, especially the pesky Hindus, are guilty of a lot worse.

zee

who do you think did this blast on BB?

Re: # 199

mohar,

... i should warn you .... zeemax also thinks the 9/11 attack on wtc was cia/jewish conspiracty

DM: Thanks for summarizing my views. I didnt realize they were so important.

On my challenging Indians coming to chowk painting all Pakistanis as criminals and terrorists and painting Islam as an evil religion - I am guilty as charged of showing them the mirror of the ugliness within India.

On your sayhing that I am an Uncritical Admirer of the West. Kindly provide me some evidence of what I have written to back your statement and I will be glad to consider that. Thanks in advance.

As for our applauding Masadi: he was claiming that I maintain certain views that he failed to back with anything I wrote. So, I assume you dont give any weight to truth vs lies as long as you like what is being said. Since masadi failed to back his claim, I suggest you being a more intelligent person, help substantiate Masadi's statement I referred to above.

btw, one of the few times we had "western" visitors, in the form of a couple of Israeli extremists who came to join the Indian posters in berating Pakistan - I was the only Pakistani poster as far as I recall to challenge them on what they wrote, and one of them (Goldsteen or something was his nick, and he had identified himself as a Tel Aviv lawyer) was mad enough to threaten me with the Tel Aviv underground!! So, how does this reconcile with your statement of my being an uncritical admirer of the west? And where were the echobooms of chowk when these israeli nuts were happily berating muslims and Pakistan?

I wasn't expecting an attack on Bezamir so soon. My guestimate was that of with in one month. The American strategy is quite clear after Negroponte took over the Pakistani affairs from Armitage. Negroponte has decades of experience of establishing death squads and creating civil wars around the globe specially in South America, Iraq, and Afhanistan. American strategy is to mobilize the civilians against civilians; in this case PPP militias will be established and pitted against the religious elements. A dejavu of Iraq where Shia militias and state apparatus was organized by Negroponte to crush sunni resistence, which they identified with AlQaida. Whether that policy worked or not does not concern Americans much because as long as someone else is getting massacred while keeping the American casualties low, "unna day lun tay thand eh" as the Punjabi proverb goes. It is anybody's guess that Bezamir has brought with her truck loads of dollars to establish PPP militias, which will be obviously trained by NaPak fouj. The civil war is written on the wall and so is the kidnappings, torture, and abu-ghraibs. NaPak fouj is already building 14 new jails (read torture and interrogation centers) for "extra-ordinary renditioned" citizens of Pakistan in Punjab alone at the cost of Rs. 3 Billion (with a "b"). The unholy alliance of NaPak fouj and liberal-fascists has turned into a hyperactive monkey that has a sharp open blade in his hand (as the urdu proverb goes).

I hope I am wrong but it does not seem likely. Regarding the attack on Bezamir I in fact had placed a bet with a friend of mine who proclaimed that minute the bezamir will step onto Pakistani soil, somehow Pakistani society will turn into paradise of democracy and tolerance. I told him what I've said above and told him that Bezamir and PPP will be attacked with in a month - and if it did not happen I will "mooter day naal apni muchchaN munn diyaN gaa", as punjabi proverb goes. I am not happy to see my moustaches saved today. My heart is sinking.

tahmed32:

Your views are as important as that of urstruly or masadi or naqsh because, like them, you have a unique viewpoint on Islam and one much more like some of us non-muslims would like Islam to be.

As for my saying that you are uncritical of the west, I am too lazy to dig up old posts but, as I recall, you were always in favour of the US bombings of Iraq and Afghanistan, which were bound to create a lot of innocent people getting killed and defended the US as vigorously as you defend Islam. I especially recall our engagement before the US attacked Iraq and our disagreement as to the intent of the US in undertaking its Iraq mission.

Now, I am not on the chowk 24/7 and so may have missed any posts from you critical of the West. If so, please reproduce them for my benefit and I will correct myself.

#199 Posted by mohar11

who do you think did this blast on BB?

The same people who shot her brother alongwith six crack armed guards cleanly through the head and neck right there on the street from tree tops without anyone getting a chance to raise their weapons, and the Police SHO on picket duty who was a witness was found strangled the next morning in Police quarters with many sleeping alongside not noticing.

There are many sinister forces opposed to the Bhutto family in Pakistan. Blaming it on the Waziris is simplistic BS.

The alleged Baitullah-Mehsood threat has been denied by the original source quoted by daily times, Senator Saleh Shah, as utterly rubbish on television today. It never occurred.

Re: # 179 Posted by hamidm2 on October 19, 2007 5:19:00 am

(...today america alone bears the white man's burden to civilize the barbaric world - specially the mahommedans .......).....Why?

And who would civilize the so-called civilized anglos?

dm: So, you had the time to summarize my views, but are too busy to show where these views came from. And it is indeed presumptious on your part to expect me to spend the time proving my innocence to you!!

Accusations and misrepresentation of views without burdening oneself with substantiating them is your privilege. Not wasting my time with them is mine.

Have a nice day.

tahmed32:

Not that fast, braather. It's easy to summarise your or anyone else's views, one does not have to dig through thousands of posts of anyone, including yours and mine, to know one's views on chowk - we all repeat our views all the time. For example, I do not have to go through hamidm's posts to know that he hates Islam but is still a proud and patriotic Pakistani, or that naqshbandi is in awe of the sufis.

That said, I did point out to your uncritical and repeated support of the US bombing attacks on Afghans and Iraqis. Now, do you want me to dig up those posts?

As regards Mr. Goldstein, he was not from the West and probably not even an Israeli, perhaps just an Indian pretending to be one. And of the posts that I recall, you never criticised the West in your rejoinders to him.

#207 dm: "Now, do you want me to dig up those posts?"

That is what I have been asking you, isnt it? Go get them, then we can talk.

You are welcome to think what you like about Goldsteen.