Can Religious Leaders Redeem the Future of the World?

#27 Posted by majumdar,

Where wud u put countries like China, Japan and Korea in this debate? On the side of kanjarooons or havayoooons?

Excellent question. Though I wonder why you missed Bharat. Anyway I'll answer Bharat first. Definitely on the side of kanjaroons.

Re China, Japan and Korea, remember these are yellow people, and none of them forget. All of them have suffered much the same as Muslims at one time or another as Muslims are suffering now. The only difference is in approach towards redressal. Yellows are patient ... they wait for centuries, while Muslims don't. Muslims fight because they've never been defeated as a people. Yellows have been completely defeated as a people several times.

As for your question, the yellows hate the western designs as much as the Muslims, if not more. So I guess that puts them on your 'havayoons' side.

In any event, you would know who is arming the Muslim front.

Zeemax,

(Though I wonder why you missed Bharat. Anyway I'll answer Bharat first. Definitely on the side of kanjaroons.)

I know that. That's why I didn't ask. Besides, India ain't a superpower yet, irrespective of what some of my countrymen think.

(Yellows are patient ... they wait for centuries, while Muslims don't.)

And which approach do you think is more likely to work?

(Muslims fight because they've never been defeated as a people.)

Never mind if until recently large masses of Muslim nations were occupied by Goras. Russians, Austrians and Brits repeatedly licking Turks from 1600 onwards, Goras licking the Mughals and Tipu Sultan.

(So I guess that puts them on your 'havayoons' side. In any event, you would know who is arming the Muslim front.)

Of course, in between there would be some "friendly contests". For instance in Uighurstan, some Chinks getting abducted in Isloo, ocassional Chinks getting bumped off in Gwadar and all that.

Regards

...the yellows hate the western designs as much as the Muslims

Zee,

U r off the mark. If u know Japs, u wudnt be saying this. Did u visit Japan?

Chinese, san the Commies/official attitude are pro-US as well. The western culture that breeds in HK and China is in front of our eyes. They lap up everything that's American.

As for Indians, the public support for the Nuclear deal by the middle class is amazing. They even brushed aside BJP (that's my impression on TV shows). As for Indian Muslims...they are not far behind.

In my first visit to Jama Masid New Dehli (2002), I noticed onething that even hardcore imams cant be immune to the things that are American. A notice board by the imam Bukhari at Jama Masjid reads like this:

For any suggestions pl write to

'imam....bukhari@USA.NET. (sic)

as if there's no other email provider. Even imam of Dehli is fond of USA tag!!

OK, u may disregard this as love to America. I agree.

What abt MMA Hussian's son having education in the US instead of @ Jamia Binoria?

Dont u see any contradiction here? The so called leaders do tell their wards to study @ madarsas but they want everybody else to study @ madarsas.

(From India I can quote some examples of this paradox. Mulayam dont any English in India but sends his son to a school in Ooty and later to Australia, where nothing but English works. Bal Thackery wants his Shiv sainiks to be suicide bombers but he doesnt train his sons to be suicide bombers. Same goes for Osmama and Mullah Omar).

#34 Posted by majumdar,

And which approach do you think is more likely to work?

The Muslims' approach. Because they're the toughest to beat.

Never mind if until recently large masses of Muslim nations ...

I said as a 'people', they have never been defeated, as the Japanese were with the atom bombs or the Chinese by the British/Japanese or the S. Koreans where US bases still dominate their country.

...in between there would be some "friendly contests" some Chinks getting abducted in Islooo ... ocassional Chinks getting bumped off in Gwadar

You mean the chink massage parlours? Those are spying networks. Gwadar/Hub? All that is a battle for domination of that great Islamic force which is on the move.

Samjha karo ...

Re: # 31
ladu
things are much complicated than simply muslim versus christian EU and US want to route gas and oil pipelines from central asia through muslim Turkey thereby avoiding christian Russia and they want to increase their dependence on gas from muslim north africa.

btw India and china are seen as rivals for the upcoming competition for resources.

#35 Posted by VRV,

Look ... I know Japs. Don't take such small things as their mindset. They simply hate US.

As for Jama Masid New Dehli, what's wrong with using technology? It doesn't belong exclusively to them anyway. All nations have a contribution to that.

Zee,

My point is abt Imam flaunting his USA.NET address as if there's no Hotmail or Yahoo (leading email providers @ that time).

2. I can agree if Koreans are against US but not Japs. We disagree here.

Zee,

'The Muslims' approach. Because they're the toughest to beat.'

Achcha??????????????

In fact the rulers of Muslim countries san Mahatir Mohammed, Ahmedinejad are the first-rate ass kissers. They dont even issue a statement when Israel bombs Syria or Lebanon coz they dont like to be admonished by Uncle Sam.

Take Musharraf. He's a good ass kisser too. Do u disgaree??

Aaah Jama Masjid in Delhi..I remember praying to Hanuman there once..

And for a mere 500 rupees you can see three red hair from Mohammed's beard in a tiny jar that the mullah holds so close to his heart.

Zee man, muslims are 1/6th of humanity..it just won't work. The chinkoos and the hinjews will own the next 300-500 years. maybe after that..the muslims cna take a turn.

zeemax, I beg to differ - the ottomans god their ass handed back to them serially till the end of WW-I. After that they muslim lands got bombed and gassed and dumped. They were (and are) encricled and currently are in a situation which is worse than defeat - they are utterly humiliated and shown to be incompetents who cannot even organise a piss up in a brewery. The Japs got defeated but they are in a kick ass position and they have won in the long term.

I would have preferred total defeat than this ritual humiliation. I think you are clutching at straws.

ooops god=got in #42
they=the in #42
encricled=encircled in #42

Re: # 6
gill sahib, the muslims have to get over this idea that this is a clash of civilisations. No it is not a clash of civilisations. It is a clash of concepts - the majority of the muslims should wash their hands of the culprits and their methods and treat them as criminals (TAHMED32 says Islam is not about the killing done by the terrorists, hamidm2 says they are criminals) - as basically the majority do not have any truck with these guys (or atleast that is what they say - but do not voice this opinion in public but are silent).

It is the muslims who have created this ntion that this is a Clash of Civilisations. For they were the first who got all excited with this new theory. If only they had treated it as such it would have gone the way of many other such theories. In the islamic mind such (social and historical) theories are taken as factual truths (in science Mathematical theory can be taken as the truth and fact but in liberal art?????) and given the penchant for conspiracy theories these take on a life of their own.

No this is not a clash of civilisations - but a criminal venture thrown upon the civilised world by the terrorists.

#41

Laykin Pandas of Puri, Hardiwar Vrindavan charge much less for there own show and tell

Senna, what have you experienced?

Re: # 44

"It is the muslims who have created this ntion that this is a Clash of Civilisations. "

So says Wafa Sultan - but no muslims wants to listen to her- they prefer to be bewitched by the mullahs cursing her.

Laykin i 'dont believe' Pandas like rest of you just as much as you "believe" in Imam Bukhari .

Laykin the world is global now every where you can 'go' including Jama masjid MathurA Kashi .....