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Re: # 31

I do not understand your understanding. The superlative "Do not..." does not leave a choice as you suggest. We can only say something is voluntary when there is a choice.

PPP always had street power and if today if it is able to bring people to streets owing to euphoria generated by the return of their exile leader and that too with facilitation of state whats the big deal!
Mr Paracha's consistent insistence on down playing lawyers movement and calling it anal urban middle class morality is banal. I would again pose a simple question. How many people came to streets when Bhutto was hanged and yet today they have " jammed" the streets prompting our psuedo intellectual journalist to call the lawyers movement a reflection of right wing urban middle class mentality.
First of all, it should be understood that a well organized party with sufficient funds and logistical apparatus can bring people on the streets particularly when it has sufficient time to prepare and when it knows that state will not stop people from coming.
I would have still agreed with Mr Paracha's stance that rural poor do not give a crap and therefore have come to welcome their beloved leader, had PPP actually reflected the misery of the rural poor and during the past twenty years had raised issues pertaining to rural poor. During the past tweny years PPP has inducted feudals and party in the rural areas is basically dominated by those feudal Lords. Mr Paracha unfortunately does not belong to the rural area and I think has never even been to rural area to actually understand about what issues rural people give a crap about.
If the real issues are poverty equality and feudalism, would Mr Paracha tell me that when did the feudal dominated PPP raise them in the past twenty years. After all his apparent explanation behind today's successful showing of PPP is that people side with those who voice the real issues rather than media manufactured anal urban middle class issues.

I wont disagree that ordinary people loved ZAB and he was despite shortcomings a great leader. Ordinary people have consistently voted for PPP as a token of respect to the great leader not because PPP has been voicing real issues which touch the core of millions. Todays showing which had full facilitation of state also can be better interperated in that light rather than through this psuedo leftist as well as marxist interpretation for which Mr Paracha is famous for.

#33 Posted by Urstruly:

I do not want to argue for the sake of arguement. The passage can be read as:

"In the pursuit of pomp and glitter, do not ..........."

It does not say what to do or not to do, for example, "in the pursuit of mere survival .....". Other verses may, this verse does not. If you have the time and inclination, do point out other verses. No need to quote just the references. Thanks.

#33 Posted by Urstruly:

OK the other reference makes more sense. The following is closer to waht you say.

(7:3) "(O Jamaa'atul Mu'mineen) Follow only that which has been revealed to you by your Rabb and do not follow any friends and protectors other than Him. (The subservience to Divine Laws and not of any human being is the real freedom), but very few keep this reality in mind."

Re: # 36

GT, like I said, I quoted only one verse. There are many snd according to Asool (method of interpretation) the verses cannot be contradictory.

Please check out the website I posted to understand the concept of State in Islam, if you are interested.

Urstruly,

Ur points are good but who bells the cat?

Ras,

The links are informative but I cant get over the image of Surrey Palace she bought (& sold later) and the number of antiques smuggled outta Pakistan.

Lets wait and see how u guys overcome the blues.

Re: # 38

I think our misery will eventually force us to either change or become dinosaurs and perish.

Re: # 39

urstruly,

.... i guess you and others of your ilk - zeemax, abu sufwan, echo and masadi - are happy that the soldiers of al-lah tried to strike a blow for your cause ..... i hope you are watching the carnage on geo to satisfy your lust for the blood of those who do not share your twisted world view ...... i am sure you have a good erection

Hamid,

Urstruly is consistent in his views and ppl wud be sure of his views on any given issue whereas u jump in and out of issues depending how ur mood swings.

The only issue is that these ppl wud not match u post2post and make fool of themselves.

Thanks that u indirectly condemned these bombings.

vrv: you are not the first pakistan-hating indian to applaud urstruly. i wonder why. :-)

TAhmed,

Thanks for the title 'Pakistan-hating Indian'.

#43 vrv: am i wrong?

TAhmed,

Why am I a Pak-hating Indian? coz I tell the truth abt Urstruly being consistent in his views and Hamid's not?

If that's the case, I already said thanks.

#45 vrv: i think hamidm is just as consistent in his views as urstruly. what is more, hamidm's views are consistent with his actions (i.e. he appreciates the US way of life, and has moved here) which cannot be said for urstruly.

So what you say is not the truth. And you have ignored my question - am i wrong in saying you are a pakistan-hater.

Ahmed,

It's like somebody asking 'since when u stopped beating ur wife'. That way I consider u/hamid as Indian-hater and Pakistani-hater & Islam-hater (depending on the situation).

Btw, I better be a Pakistan-hater in ur eyes than mollify.

Though I dont agree with most the views of Urstruly and his fratenrity I can agree that they speak in one voice. They never waver abt their views whereas uou/Hamid change views depending on the situation or interactor.

than mollify u i/o than mollify