Of Carnage and Triumph

Ras and Hamidm: Thanks for your words of appreciation.

Romair sahib,

What really are the options in front of Pakistan and gen Mush at the moment?

If they dont fight, two things can happen. First, they risk the jihadis establishing themselves firmly in FATA from where they will gradually spreads their tentacles into the rest of NWFP and after that the whole of Pakistan. In effect creeping Talibanisation of Pakistan. Second, if things go out of control in FATA, their is the possibility that USA decides to military intervene in NWFP without Paki approval in fact in face of downright Paki opposition. And there wouldn't be much that pakistan can do about it. In such a case USA wuldnt care to provide any susbidy to Pak Army if it is doing the fighting itself.

If it does fight in FATA, it risks heavy casualty both to itself and to the civillian population and heavy unpopularity in rest of Pakistan too for the Pakis (barring the kanjaroon elite) perceive it as USA's war. And should the US-Pak alliance win decisively in A'stan-FATA (which is very likely) there is always a possibility that once the war is over USA just walks out without any big payoff to pakistan (except of course saving civil society in Pak which is a big plus any way).

Hard choices for Pakistan and its ruler but on balance you would think that the best option is to fight and win in FATA. While at the same time try to wean away the local population from the jihadi cause by investing in their development

Regards

#134 by bulleya

so the two biggest beneificiaries of the army, encouraging other poorer folks to, "fight on" while quitely enjoying themselves in the usa........

Romair mian, if it wasn't for the lack of opportunity, I'm sure you would have been in the WOT too, fighting for the Paki Army against the Taliban and Al Qaeda. After all, not too long ago, weren't you the one who expressed an itch to lead the American troops into Afghanistan?

four questions for messrs. hamidm mian and tahmad:

1. hamidm mian: was your father in the pakistan army
2. hamidm mian: was he a brigadier....
3. tahmad mian: was your father in the pakistan army
4. tahmad mian: was he a brigadier

let's come clean and establish one's backgrounds....

p.s. a brigadier during those days was equivalent to a lt. gen. of today's world.......

hamidm mian #: "whenever we went up with friends who were junior officers in the air force or army, we never paid the toll - the flying officer"

..i will definitely agree with you on this, when it comes to generals....i have had much larger fights with them then you can ever type on your keyboards.....

in fact, didn't you say your father was a brigadier....hence you, yourself, are a product of this military feudalism.....the fact that you are comfortably settled in usa and can afford a sprinkler guy, should be the first item you (and the rest of us) should be criticizing......quite a bit of hypocrisy......a scion of the military elite, not criticizing himself first....

as for the flying officer and lieutenant, kindly spare a thought for the poor guy.......i used to be one......and lived from paycheck to paycheck......these guys have zero money.......even now, when i go back and meet my batchmates, and take them out to pizza hut, they all get this worried look on their face, when the bill arrives....

now the four or five of them who become generals, will no doubt, make huge amounts of money, through legalized corruptoin......and will then send their kid to the usa, who will benefit from this corruption, and hire a sprinkler guy........or wait, hasn't that already happened.....

so, would it be correct to state, that your dad is, himself, a brigadier and a beneficiary of this legalized corruption.......shouldn't we (or you, yourself) be targeting you, first.......

you are a wealthy expat, sitting abroad, having lived off the benefits of pakistan and the benefits of the pakistan army through your dad, never willing to come back to pakistan to do anything, encouraging every war yet never willing to volunteer for it, and bent on keeping your kids away from it, while encouraging poorer kids to fight........

p.s. if i am not incorrect, i believe mr. tahmad's dad was also a brigadier in the pakistan army........kindly correct me, if i am wrong tahmad......

so the two biggest beneificiaries of the army, encouraging other poorer folks to, "fight on" while quitely enjoying themselves in the usa........allah be praised.....and george bush be praised.......

When a person (Ras) has been reduced to mere cheerleading in posts, you can know that his grasp of the issues and arguments is rather weak. Tahmed has no personal point of view, as usual he is merely pushing the official talking points of the US elite and hence his support for BB. Hamid is pushing the official talking points not of the US elite (who are more sophisticated) but the talking points of Bush (who stumbles through the elite agenda due to weakness in the intellect department), and were it not for Cheney they would have got rid of him by now, so in this progressively lowered expectations, Ras figures in at the bottom pushing the talking points of both the peons of the West....

Re: # 130

ras mian,

.... tahmed is a good chap even though i sometimes berate him for being a 'good' muslim .... if all muslims were like him i could live with islam .......

hamidm2 Sahib,

write on!

Never thought that I would be writing this but

I want to extend my appreciation to tahmed32 Sahib.

Not only is he right in my opinion but he has a much

better understanding of the current situation than bull eya

ahmed mad ani and especially Lad du.

Ras

romair,

... you fool! ....... let me tell you who the real 'feudals' are in pakistan ...... maybe i will just give you a simple example that even your airman's brain can understand:

.... on the way from pindi to murree there is a toll gate at satran meel (seventeen mile) ..... as long as i can remember, whenever we went up with friends who were junior officers in the air force or army, we never paid the toll - the flying officer would simply show his id card and be waved through with a salute by a poor civilian in tattered shalwar kameez and chappals ...... even the legharis and mazaris pay up ....

Naqsh

Slap and Run - that's your plan?... Are you running out of suicide belts?...

BTW - I saw a photo of Salman Khan praying to Pagan Goddess Durga... he did again dude... aren't you supposed to kill him or something?...

correcton to #126 that should be "stray, three-legged dog". mea culpa!!

#125 Great response, General Romair sir, if I may say so. And nothing less is expected from you. Now could you teach this miserable Son Masadi to make such clever comebacks too, rather than merely cursing and abusing and whining like a stray one-legged dog?

tahmad #118: "you are too modest!! with your expert analysis of the situation, everything becomes crystal clear even to dumbbells like me. your 20/20 foresight allows your fans to remain ahead of the curve!!!"

as i said, don't hate me because i am beautiful.......

i have never claimed to have 20/20 foresight.....nor have i ever considered you a dumbbell...however, as i stated earlier, if you say so, i will accept both your evaluations - the one about me and the one about you.......

#121 tahmed writes "hamidm: heed romair's observation..."

You need to do something better with your retirement than BS-ing here all day long. Have some dignity you peon of the West. Your posts remind me of the retired donkey let loose by its owner, in your case the US elite, after use and abuse, and not realizing that he is free he keeps singing the same tune as he stumbles from neighbourhood to neighbourhood and road to road. I pity you fool, have some self respect....

masadi, naqshbandi: what an auspicious timing. Just as I was talking about our other distinguished, all-knowing Pakistani on chowk, Romair!! You gentleman form the Holy Trinity, namely the Father Romair, the Son Masadi, and the Holy Ghost Naqshbandi!!

Together you spread grace around the world and protect it from that Great Satan Hamidm!!