Of Carnage and Triumph

"Painting of peacock is terrible, even the name peacock has sexual connotations, "

Sunnat itself has dreadful sexual connotations.
Without mutilation of the sexual organs the 'covenant' between the Al-Lah and his slave subject is not considered true!!!
Ask a true Sunni if he can hold on to his faith without the fear of Al-lah imprinted in the deepest of his psyche through that dreadful mutilation of his private parts.

It is like the branding of sheeps with red hot iron to imprint the icon of ownership.

Re: # 48

1. That is not a painting of peacock - but an idol of peacock a well known bird from indian sub continent.

2. The image is of a chaturbhuj god Vishnu. Shows the hindu past of persian civilization.

3. That kabba stone is a Saligram - which is black , shining surfaced fossil that is considered sacred for vaishnavas. Many shiva linga are also made of shaligram. Let there be a test of that stone and it would certainly reveal itself to be a shaligram.

4. If these momeens consider Haj as a pillor of Islam then their kissing of this black stone is one of the biggest contradictions within Islam itself and is in-consistent with the rest of the pillors.

Laddu 46,

That does not prove anything, in pre-islamic age there were idol worshippers in arabia, iran etc and all those were demoslished and put into kaba and covered with black concrete, and that is the direction in which teh muslims of today worship. Obviously the mosque in iran is blasphemous and should be demolished.

Painting of peacock is terrible, even the name peacock has sexual connotations, in islam no living things should be painted and that is why islamic art is reduced to caligraphy.

What are the expectations

So many are happy that benazir is back and of course there are those who do not want her back.

For the romairs of pakistan, mushy is the best, thee economy is booming, there are hardly any poor in pakistan...

How about the others, can there be any pakistani hoping for the following

..More govt schools and increase in literacy

..more hospitals..

..less crime in teh streets of pakistan

..rediction in corruption,...

..increased cooperation with the india


Sorry to disappoint you the civilised pakistanis who expect any of the above

..beacuse there is no money to do any of teh social improvements

..corruption is so engrained in teh pak society.. now it is all chia pani ka paisa

..there can be no raproachment with india..because then the amry will be well and truly to rule the pakis,...waziristan is gone, if enemity with india is also reduced then why teh pak army..

So my dear pakistanis, you even do not have anything to hope for...no idea of what should be changed..it is another form of failed state..and it makes no difference who rules, failed is a failed stste charecterised by no rule of law.

how to post an image???

Any way , there is the image from the Mashhad mosque in Iran



http://www.salagram.net/VWH-iranvish.jpg

The above photograph shows the detail of the ceiling, decorated in multicolored majolica, of the Mashhad MOSQUE in Iran. Look to the left of the photograph directly underneath the leftmost peacock's feet and you will suddenly notice the unmistakeable statue of Shree Vishnu Bhagvan seated in lotus pose with Shankh and lotus in his hands. This is clear hard evidence of the fact that many of the mosques in Islamic countries such as Iran were originally Vedic Temples. This can be supported by the fact that the peacock is a bird indigenous to India and central to Hindu religious iconology. The peacock is not native to Iran nor is the use of iconography encouraged by Islam. Figurative sculpture especially is forbidden in Islam as this amounts to idolatory. In addition please observe the typically Hindu stylized lotus pattern background upon which the sculpture of Shree Vishnu is superimposed in relief. One must logically conclude that this photograph is visual evidence of the Vedic Origin of the Mosque in Mashhad, Iran.

Re: # 41

jay,

there are more secrets in store for all of us to understand.

If your look at the great mosque in Shia Iran you would be surprised to find the sculpures of chaturbhuj Shri Vishnu on the upper walls of that mosque.

It still remains intact out of providence and is a sign of the hindu past of ancient Persians and Arabs.

My simple reasons for favoring Ms. Bhutto:

(1) Many Indians like her in the same way that many Pakistanis like Laloo Yadav – IN SPITE OF the past corruption. They like her because her liberal credentials are better than any of her adversaries – like Laloo’s secular credentials. (Many Biharis would flip the same argument and say – “have you LIVED under a Laloo regime?”, and that is fully understandable.)

(2) Whenever given even a little bit of REAL power, the BB has a good record of reducing both terrorism and lowering tensions with India. She accomplished a lot of that in the late eighties by withdrawing armed support that was then being provided by Pakistan to the “Khalistanis” and that movement immediately fizzled out.

(3) Perhaps one reason her reign was so corrupt (if it was indeed more than that of others) is because the khakis ensured that corruption was the only thing she was allowed to do. They maintained control of powers in every other way.

(4) Whatever the BeeB’s faults – she appears to have paid a heavy price, even personal price for those faults. She appears to have learnt from some of her past mistakes, she appears to have become more careful and she appears to watch her words more. Contrast all of that with her adversaries.

(5) After so many years of exile – she still retains her appeal to the aam awaam, as is clear from her welcome. ALL political leaders bask in adulation – that is what they are all about – so if she does the same, it should not be held against her.

(6) Last but not the least, the BeeB – in spite of those years now beginning to accumulate – is probably better-looking than all of her competition combined – the Mushy included (with or without uniform)!

Laddu, 39,

So what are you telling, the muslims should be called ahmadi hindus or what

The poor little woman, benazir says that she is ready to fight terrorism. No madam, you are not going to do that simply because there is no one in pakistan who can do that.

The army still has 300 soldiers captive by the taliban. At last the truth is out, the so called 80,000 pak troops on the afghna boreder to prevent the taliban moving to afghanistan are hiding in their barracks, never daring to venture out.

Benzir madam, take it from me, jayp, the terrorists are going to take over pakistan. The pak troops have surrendred wziristan to the terrorists, teh pak troops will be withdrawn, and they will concentrate on ruling what is left of pakistan.

Benazir, you can be the prime minister, hoarde a few more millions outside of pakistan so that it will help you in the next exile, that is if you manage not to go out and get bombed again.

In teh mean time, do not mention AQ Kahan and his interview with the americans.

Sorry mullah-philosopher ji your knowledge of idolator's philosophy is nothing more than what you read in your chavanni tafsirs of your maulanas that you picked up from the streets of hira mandi.

Perhaps you need to drink some camel mutra as prescribed by your prophet in order to become a wise momeen. You are perhaps ignorant because one of the biggest linga is in the kabba - the sanga awestha or the black stone . Remember, if your Al-Lah comes to know that the prophet and his momeen followrs were actually kissing the biggest linga and calling it one of the PILLARS of Islam- then be sure to experience the fires of his torture cell called jahannum. Are you sure if the Prophet is not in his jahannum??


Here is some thing to read and think -

"Since Eed means worship and Griha means ‘house’, the Islamic word Idgah signifies a ‘House of worship’ which is the exact Sanskrit connotation of the term. Similarly the word ‘Namaz’ derives from two Sanskrit roots ‘Nama’ and ‘Yajna’ (NAMa yAJna) meaning bowing and worshipping.

Vedic descriptions about the moon, the different stellar constellations and the creation of the universe have been incorporated from the Vedas in Koran part 1 chapter 2, stanza 113, 114, 115, and 158, 189, chapter 9, stanza 37 and chapter 10, stanzas 4 to 7.

Recital of the Namaz five times a day owes its origin to the Vedic injunction of Panchmahayagna (five daily worship- Panch-Maha-Yagna) which is part of the daily Vedic ritual prescribed for all individuals.

Muslims are enjoined cleanliness of five parts of the body before commencing prayers. This derives from the Vedic injuction ‘Shareer Shydhyartham Panchanga Nyasah’.

Four months of the year are regarded as very sacred in Islamic custom. The devout are enjoined to abstain from plunder and other evil deeds during that period. This originates in the Chaturmasa i.e., the four-month period of special vows and austerities in Hindu tradition. Shabibarat is the corrupt form of Shiva Vrat and Shiva Ratra. Since the Kaaba has been an important centre of Shiva (Siva) worship from times immemorial, the Shivaratri festival used to be celebrated there with great gusto. It is that festival which is signified by the Islamic word Shabibarat.

Encyclopaedias tell us that there are inscriptions on the side of the Kaaba walls. What they are, no body has been allowed to study, according to the correspondence I had with an American scholar of Arabic. But according to hearsay at least some of those inscriptions are in Sanskrit, and some of them are stanzas from the Bhagavad Gita.

According to extant Islamic records, Indian merchants had settled in Arabia, particularly in Yemen, and their life and manners deeply influenced those who came in touch with them. At Ubla there was a large number of Indian settlements. This shows that Indians were in Arabia and Yemen in sufficient strength and commanding position to be able to influence the local people. This could not be possible unless they belonged to the ruling class.

It is mentioned in the Abadis i.e., the authentic traditions of Prophet Mohammad compiled by Imam Bukhari that the Indian tribe of Jats had settled in Arabia before Prophet Mohammad’s times. Once when Hazrat Ayesha, wife of the Prophet, was taken ill, her nephew sent for a Jat physician for her treatment. This proves that Indians enjoyed a high and esteemed status in Arabia. Such a status could not be theirs unless they were the rulers. Bukhari also tells us that an Indian Raja (king) sent a jar of ginger pickles to the Prophet. This shows that the Indian Jat Raja ruled an adjacent area so as to be in a position to send such an insignificant present as ginger pickles. The Prophet is said to have so highly relished it as to have told his colleagues also to partake of it. These references show that even during Prophet Mohammad’s times Indians retained their influential role in Arabia, which was a dwindling legacy from Vikramaditya’s times.

The Islamic term ‘Eed-ul-Fitr’ derives from the ‘Eed of Piters’ that is worship of forefathers in Sanskrit tradition. In India, Hindus commemorate their ancestors during the Pitr-Paksha that is the fortnight reserved for their remembrance. The very same is the significance of ‘Eed-ul-Fitr’ (worship of forefathers).

The Islamic practice of observing the moon rise before deciding on celebrating the occasion derives from the Hindu custom of breaking fast on Sankranti and Vinayaki Chaturthi only after sighting the moon.

Barah Vafat, the Muslim festival for commemorating those dead in battle or by weapons, derives from a similar Sanskrit tradition because in Sanskrit ‘Phiphaut’ is ‘death’. Hindus observe Chayal Chaturdashi in memory of those who have died in battle.

The word Arabia is itself the abbreviation of a Sanskrit word. The original word is ‘Arabasthan’. Since Prakrit ‘B’ is Sanskrit ‘V’ the original Sanskrit name of the land is ‘Arvasthan’. ‘Arva’ in Sanskrit means a horse. Arvasthan signifies a land of horses., and as well all know, Arabia is famous for its horses.

This discovery changes the entire complexion of the history of ancient India. Firstly we may have to revise our concepts about the king who had the largest empire in history. It could be that the expanse of king Vikramaditya’s empire was greater than that of all others. Secondly, the idea that the Indian empire spread only to the east and not in the west beyond say, Afghanisthan may have to be abandoned. Thirdly the effeminate and pathetic belief that India, unlike any other country in the world could by some age spread her benign and beatific cultural influence, language, customs, manners and education over distant lands without militarily conquering them is baseless. India did conquer all those countries physically wherever traces of its culture and language are still extant and the region extended from Bali island in the south Pacific to the Baltic in Northern Europe and from Korea to Kaaba. The only difference was that while Indian rulers identified themselves with the local population and established welfare states, Moghuls and others who ruled conquered lands perpetuated untold atrocities over the vanquished.

‘Sayar-ul-Okul’ tells us that a pan-Arabic poetic symposium used to be held in Mecca at the annual Okaj fair in pre-Islamic times. All leading poets used to participate in it.

Poems considered best were awarded prizes. The best-engraved on gold plate were hung inside the temple. Others etched on camel or goatskin were hung outside. Thus for thousands of years the Kaaba was the treasure house of the best Arabian poetic thought inspired by the Indian Vedic tradition.

That tradition being of immemorial antiquity many poetic compositions were engraved and hung inside and outside on the walls of the Kaaba. But most of the poems got lost and destroyed during the storming of the Kaaba by Prophet Mohammad’s troops. The Prophet’s court poet, Hassan-bin-Sawik, who was among the invaders, captured some of the treasured poems and dumped the gold plate on which they were inscribed in his own home. Sawik’s grandson, hoping to earn a reward carried those gold plates to Khalif’s court where he met the well-known Arab scholar Abu Amir Asamai. The latter received from the bearer five gold plates and 16 leather sheets with the prize-winning poems engraved on them. The bearer was sent away happy bestowed with a good reward.

On the five gold plates were inscribed verses by ancient Arab poets like Labi Baynay, Akhatab-bin-Turfa and Jarrham Bintoi. That discovery made Harun-al-Rashid order Abu Amir to compile a collection of all earlier compositions. One of the compositions in the collection is a tribute in verse paid by Jarrham Bintoi, a renowned Arab poet, to king Vikramaditya. Bintoi who lived 165 years before Prophet Mohammad had received the highest award for the best poetic compositions for three years in succession in the pan-Arabic symposiums held in Mecca every year. All those three poems of Bintoi adjudged best were hung inside the Kaaba temple, inscribed on gold plates. One of these constituted an unreserved tribute to King Vikramaditya for his paternal and filial rule over Arabia. That has already been quoted above.

Pre-Islamic Arabian poet Bintoi’s tribute to king Vikramaditya is a decisive evidence that it was king Vikramaditya who first conquered the Arabian Peninsula and made it a part of the Indian Empire. This explains why starting from India towards the west we have all Sanskrit names like Afghanisthan (now Afghanistan), Baluchisthan, Kurdisthan, Tajikiathan, Uzbekisthan, Iran, Sivisthan, Iraq, Arvasthan, Turkesthan (Turkmenisthan) etc.

Historians have blundered in not giving due weight to the evidence provided by Sanskrit names pervading over the entire west Asian region. Let us take a contemporary instance. Why did a part of India get named Nagaland even after the end of British rule over India? After all historical traces are wiped out of human memory, will a future age historian be wrong if he concludes from the name Nagaland that the British or some English speaking power must have ruled over India? Why is Portuguese spoken in Goa (part of India), and French in Pondichery (part of India), and both French and English in Canada? Is it not because those people ruled over the territories where their languages are spoken? Can we not then justly conclude that wherever traces of Sanskrit names and traditions exist Indians once held sway? It is unfortunate that this important piece of decisive evidence has been ignored all these centuries.

Another question which should have presented itself to historians for consideration is how could it be that Indian empires could extend in the east as far as Korea and Japan, while not being able to make headway beyond Afghanisthan? In fact land campaigns are much easier to conduct than by sea. It was the Indians who ruled the entire West Asian region from Karachi to Hedjaz and who gave Sanskrit names to those lands and the towns therein, introduce their pantheon of the fire-worship, imparted education and established law and order.

It may be that Arabia itself was not part of the Indian empire until king Vikrama , since Bintoi says that it was king Vikrama who for the first time brought about a radical change in the social, cultural and political life of Arabia. It may be that the whole of West Asia except Arabia was under Indian rule before Vikrama. The latter added Arabia too to the Indian Empire. Or as a remote possibility it could be that king Vikramaditya himself conducted a series of brilliant campaigns annexing to his empire the vast region between Afghanisthan and Hedjaz."

"#34 Posted by bulleya on October 20, 2007 2:37:03 am
.....one has to be amazed at the forgiving nature of pakistanis, on this site.....benazir has thoroughly destroyed pakistan; not once, but twice.....the corruption cases against her are so long and wide that the swiss and spanish judiciary will be in shock when they are withdrawn......

.......as for her democratic credentials - she is the lifetime chairperson of her political party, and makes all policies single-handedly......"


Bulleya this is not new the pakistani people have done it in the past when a whore called ZAB offered them her breast for succor after their fight they didnt look at what he wanted in return or how his own machinations had led to that situation but instead thought of that whore as their mother. Actually calling him whore is an insult to the whores who have a milion times more honor and honesty than him

What can you expect from the child of such swine. He is famed to have come out after having had sex with Benazir's mother and announcing to a room ful of his cronies that "he was done with the bitch and that anyone else could have his turn"

Now Pakistanis are doing the same with his bitch daughter who has offered them her breast, they care not in their craze what she did in the past, or how she has engineered this situation or why she has come back.

That is why the pakistani people deserve their leaders, they will have to spend a thousand years in purgatory

Re: # 5 ["...... stop being so melodramatic ! .... in another week or so most pakis will forget about this ...we are a very resilient (dheet) people ..."

Hamid ji

The word is not dheet but, more properly, bay-gharat or bay-sharam... You are correct about the Paki short memory. The Lal Masjid is already a distant memory. But both of these are just small events, a few hundred dead here and there. If remember clearly, how that Nutfa-i-Haram, Qaid-i-Awam quickly managed to encourage national amnesia about the fiasco in Bangal, when the ignominious na-Pak fauj got the dog-shit beaten out of it. Within months no one was even talking about it any more.

As for melodramma, well, that is our trade-mark. We are Pakis and we loooooove dramma. Just look at the Brothel Bitch as she dismounts her Pegasus, passing under the Quran, tasbeeh in hand, crocodile tears in the eyes.

What I lamented was a return to "sham democracy" after eight years of "sham martial law" ... ('Auntie' Mubashir Hussain, ZAB's finance minister, calls it "Martial Law of the Hijhrahs") ... back to square zero. It's like "Wheels of the bus go round and round, round and round, all through the Town..."

And then Ras bhai chimes in and admonishes me to "...please cut back on the strong stuff..."

Phuckistan is well and truly phucked.

I'd better get off line and go take a walk on trail 3 of the Margalla Hills. The weather is Islamabad is the only thing that is beautiful today.

...SR

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Re: # 33

"n.what a great shame.chee chee...."

sorry mullah ji .... she is now gong to deflate your 'philosophical' dreams of houries in the jannah!!