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Ahmer Muzammil October 23, 2007
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#83 Posted by hamidm2 on October 26, 2007 9:31:24 am
Re: # 81
urstruly,
.... stop being such a drama queen ! ..... there are maybe a couple of thousand 'real' jihadis who can be taken care off with a combination of massive aerial bombing, bribes and plots in hayatabad ......... armchair warriors in michigan will continue to pine for the khilafat, but they don't count .......
urstruly,
.... stop being such a drama queen ! ..... there are maybe a couple of thousand 'real' jihadis who can be taken care off with a combination of massive aerial bombing, bribes and plots in hayatabad ......... armchair warriors in michigan will continue to pine for the khilafat, but they don't count .......
#82 Posted by mohar11 on October 26, 2007 9:22:39 am
DailyTimes says taliban is appointing their own governor in Swat, which they have captured from pakis... Is that true?
#81 Posted by Urstruly on October 26, 2007 9:18:55 am
Re: # 77 SR
Everything you say is true but times are a changing. It is a new reality that the protectors of this system of oppression i.e napak fouj, police, bureucracy, politicians and a corrupt westernized ruling class in general is first time put on the receiving end as well. First time in the sad history of Pakistan (barring East Pakistan debacle) the corrupt elite is being made to realize that their actions this time will have immediate consequences and retribution will be quick and deadly. It is just a matter of short time that because of its own corruption, malaise, and illegitimacy this system will be brought down to its knees. By then, unfortunately, as I expressed in my earlier post we will not be able to put an alternative system in place. So the result will not be, God forbid, any different from Somalia. As Einstein once sad "The madness is keep doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results". Deep down inside each and everyone of us knows very well that our complacency to maintain this status quo is partly because of our fear of this inevitability (Somalia) and partly because some of us have vested interest in it as well. But unfortunately even with this resuscitation we are only delaying the inevitability while prolonging our misery.
Everything you say is true but times are a changing. It is a new reality that the protectors of this system of oppression i.e napak fouj, police, bureucracy, politicians and a corrupt westernized ruling class in general is first time put on the receiving end as well. First time in the sad history of Pakistan (barring East Pakistan debacle) the corrupt elite is being made to realize that their actions this time will have immediate consequences and retribution will be quick and deadly. It is just a matter of short time that because of its own corruption, malaise, and illegitimacy this system will be brought down to its knees. By then, unfortunately, as I expressed in my earlier post we will not be able to put an alternative system in place. So the result will not be, God forbid, any different from Somalia. As Einstein once sad "The madness is keep doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results". Deep down inside each and everyone of us knows very well that our complacency to maintain this status quo is partly because of our fear of this inevitability (Somalia) and partly because some of us have vested interest in it as well. But unfortunately even with this resuscitation we are only delaying the inevitability while prolonging our misery.
#80 Posted by zeemax on October 26, 2007 8:30:03 am
#79 Posted by Urstruly,
But that's exactly what I'm saying by PPP+Maulana Falur Rahman. Could anyone have imagined it? I just wanted to know how tahmed32 thinks of 'democracy' now!
But that's exactly what I'm saying by PPP+Maulana Falur Rahman. Could anyone have imagined it? I just wanted to know how tahmed32 thinks of 'democracy' now!
#79 Posted by Urstruly on October 26, 2007 8:24:21 am
Re: # 78
Your naiivette sometimes surprises me. The list of the so called "Parliamentarians" of next assemblies has already been established at the fouj ki baRi dhooi i.e. GHQ and approved by dictator and his masters. The farce of "elections" or "voting" will only be done to give the modicum of legitimacy to a very illegitimate bullshit. tsk tsk
Your naiivette sometimes surprises me. The list of the so called "Parliamentarians" of next assemblies has already been established at the fouj ki baRi dhooi i.e. GHQ and approved by dictator and his masters. The farce of "elections" or "voting" will only be done to give the modicum of legitimacy to a very illegitimate bullshit. tsk tsk
#78 Posted by zeemax on October 26, 2007 8:11:16 am
#70 Posted by tahmed32,
So tahmed32, decided on your vote yet? It seems lots of new weird alliances are being created e.g. PPP+JUI+MQM Vs. PML(N,Q,F)+APDM.
Of-course the wild card is the LMP!
So tahmed32, decided on your vote yet? It seems lots of new weird alliances are being created e.g. PPP+JUI+MQM Vs. PML(N,Q,F)+APDM.
Of-course the wild card is the LMP!
#77 Posted by SR on October 26, 2007 6:15:48 am
[Re: # 53 ["...Re: # 2 ["...has come that East India Company must wrap up for good..."]
Which fool's paradise are you living in ...??? Have you seen what is going on? A Citibank agent has been prime minister (through the back door) under a Full-of-himself Fool who wields the Big Stick. The F-o-h Fool thinks he's running the country. But what has been going on is that the Fool's clever boy from NY is the one who has been conducting the affairs in the name of the great Fool. In the mean time international banks and financial houses have been given a licence to print money and control everything. The Nestles of the world own more than half of Pakistan and the remaining half is owned by those who are the Nawabs and mansabdaar's of today.
Today you don't have one East India Company but a hundred and one of them. They are all doing "good commerce," as was Robert Clive.
Wake up and stop dreaming opium dreams.
...SR
Which fool's paradise are you living in ...??? Have you seen what is going on? A Citibank agent has been prime minister (through the back door) under a Full-of-himself Fool who wields the Big Stick. The F-o-h Fool thinks he's running the country. But what has been going on is that the Fool's clever boy from NY is the one who has been conducting the affairs in the name of the great Fool. In the mean time international banks and financial houses have been given a licence to print money and control everything. The Nestles of the world own more than half of Pakistan and the remaining half is owned by those who are the Nawabs and mansabdaar's of today.
Today you don't have one East India Company but a hundred and one of them. They are all doing "good commerce," as was Robert Clive.
Wake up and stop dreaming opium dreams.
...SR
#76 Posted by arjun5 on October 26, 2007 5:40:05 am
PAKISTAN/AFGHANISTAN: Civilians Flee Air Strikes on Militant Targets
By Ashfaq Yusufzai
PESHAWAR, Oct 25 (IPS) - Civilians are fleeing Pakistan’s lawless border areas abutting Afghanistan following heavy artillery fire and air strikes by the military against militant targets.
The spurt in military activity comes in the wake of a spike in attacks on the Pakistan army and supply convoys in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) after the breakdown of ceasefire agreements between the government and pro-Taliban tribal groups.
Nearly 300 troops including nine officers were kidnapped in South Waziristan, one of the FATA’s seven agencies, in end-August, and are yet to be set free. The soldiers are believed to have surrendered without firing a shot.
Early October, 50 soldiers were reported missing when a supply convoy was ambushed. Local reports say all 50 were killed and their bodies set on fire. The army claims only half the number were killed.
The military has retaliated with massive firepower killing scores of civilians and forcing thousands to flee to safer locations in FATA and neighbouring North West Frontier Province (NWFP).
"About 150 civilians, mostly, women, children and elderly people died and as many received burn injuries," confirmed a doctor who did not want to be identified, at the Agency Headquarters Hospital, Miramshah.
He said that the battles which began on Oct. 6 and continued for four days, were the deadliest attacks he has seen in his 20 years in Miramshah, the headquarters of the North Waziristan agency, on the porous Pakistan-Afghanistan border.
People in the thousands -- from Ippi, Mir Ali, Haiderkhel and Iramshah villages of North Waziristan -- have left for safer places. They have fled on foot, in tractor trailers, cars and other vehicles.
"They didn’t even let us bury our dead," a resident of Mir Ali, who had brought his wounded son to Peshawar, complained. "Our villages are under siege and our tribes scattered. All roads between Bannu and Mir Ali are closed. We had to trudge for hours on roads with the wounded and elderly, moving them in wheel-barrows."
A local journalist told IPS that 80 percent of families have fled the troubled areas, leaving behind one or two members to guard their properties.
In adjacent South Waziristan, massive displacements have taken place in Barwand, Fareeday, Shamkay, Gur Gurray, Garday Raghza, Spinkai and Spinkai Raghzai areas.
Here, a similar exodus was seen in October 2006 after massive air strikes by the army. Some 5,000 uprooted families returned home only two or three months later.
For some the displacement is permanent this year. "We cannot return to North Waziristan because I have sold my house at a throwaway price after the death of my two sons in bombing in the Mir Ali and Miramshah areas on Oct. 6," wept an aggrieved father, Rahim Gul.
A driver in the port city of Karachi, in Pakistan’s south, he had rushed home on hearing that his two sons were killed, and another crippled in the air strike.
Leader of the Pashtun-dominated Awami National Party, Senator Asfandyar Wali Khan told IPS that about 400 women and children were killed during the fighting. "We will resist the killing of innocent people in the name of US-led war on terrorism," he declared.
Since Pakistan enlisted in the so-called ‘war on terror’ in 2001, pressure has increased to flush out al Qaeda and Taliban who escaped US-led military operations in Afghanistan and sheltered in North and South Waziristan. Over the years, Pakistan says it has deployed 90,000 troops in the tribal areas.
The army suffered disastrous losses in 2004, and signed a string of peace treaties leaving FATA to the religious extremists. But attacks in Bajaur and South Waziristan in late 2006 and early 2007 enraged the extremists who swore revenge.
In July, the army’s storming of the Red Mosque in Islamabad added fuel to the fire. The militants targeted the army and police, forcing retaliatory action in which more than 100 people died.
"We pound with heavy artillery fire and shelling the areas from where the forces are attacked," said military spokesmen Maj. Gen. Arshad Waheed.
The civilians, mainly Mahsud and Wazir tribesmen, caught in between are the innocent casualties of war. Tariq Khan, a social activist, told IPS that scores of Wazir tribesmen were staying in tents erected on roadsides in various parts of Tank.
Initially, hundreds of tribesmen lived in the trucks and vans in which they arrived in Tank, he said. Soon, most had rented premises to stay and a few were given shelter by fellow tribesmen who had been living in Tank for some time.
"Some 10 families are living in the compound of my house as they cannot afford rented premises," said Hidayatullah, a Mahsud tribesman who runs a private business in Tank.
"We cannot live here forever; we will certainly go back to our homes, household items and agriculture land," said Ashiq Ali.
The independent Human Rights Commission of Pakistan (HRCP) said civilians were caught in the crossfire. "We seek an immediate end to hostilities, bombing of villages and use of heavy weapons that endanger the lives of civilian population," Kamran Arif, HRCP’s NWFP chapter vice-chairperson, told IPS.
By Ashfaq Yusufzai
PESHAWAR, Oct 25 (IPS) - Civilians are fleeing Pakistan’s lawless border areas abutting Afghanistan following heavy artillery fire and air strikes by the military against militant targets.
The spurt in military activity comes in the wake of a spike in attacks on the Pakistan army and supply convoys in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) after the breakdown of ceasefire agreements between the government and pro-Taliban tribal groups.
Nearly 300 troops including nine officers were kidnapped in South Waziristan, one of the FATA’s seven agencies, in end-August, and are yet to be set free. The soldiers are believed to have surrendered without firing a shot.
Early October, 50 soldiers were reported missing when a supply convoy was ambushed. Local reports say all 50 were killed and their bodies set on fire. The army claims only half the number were killed.
The military has retaliated with massive firepower killing scores of civilians and forcing thousands to flee to safer locations in FATA and neighbouring North West Frontier Province (NWFP).
"About 150 civilians, mostly, women, children and elderly people died and as many received burn injuries," confirmed a doctor who did not want to be identified, at the Agency Headquarters Hospital, Miramshah.
He said that the battles which began on Oct. 6 and continued for four days, were the deadliest attacks he has seen in his 20 years in Miramshah, the headquarters of the North Waziristan agency, on the porous Pakistan-Afghanistan border.
People in the thousands -- from Ippi, Mir Ali, Haiderkhel and Iramshah villages of North Waziristan -- have left for safer places. They have fled on foot, in tractor trailers, cars and other vehicles.
"They didn’t even let us bury our dead," a resident of Mir Ali, who had brought his wounded son to Peshawar, complained. "Our villages are under siege and our tribes scattered. All roads between Bannu and Mir Ali are closed. We had to trudge for hours on roads with the wounded and elderly, moving them in wheel-barrows."
A local journalist told IPS that 80 percent of families have fled the troubled areas, leaving behind one or two members to guard their properties.
In adjacent South Waziristan, massive displacements have taken place in Barwand, Fareeday, Shamkay, Gur Gurray, Garday Raghza, Spinkai and Spinkai Raghzai areas.
Here, a similar exodus was seen in October 2006 after massive air strikes by the army. Some 5,000 uprooted families returned home only two or three months later.
For some the displacement is permanent this year. "We cannot return to North Waziristan because I have sold my house at a throwaway price after the death of my two sons in bombing in the Mir Ali and Miramshah areas on Oct. 6," wept an aggrieved father, Rahim Gul.
A driver in the port city of Karachi, in Pakistan’s south, he had rushed home on hearing that his two sons were killed, and another crippled in the air strike.
Leader of the Pashtun-dominated Awami National Party, Senator Asfandyar Wali Khan told IPS that about 400 women and children were killed during the fighting. "We will resist the killing of innocent people in the name of US-led war on terrorism," he declared.
Since Pakistan enlisted in the so-called ‘war on terror’ in 2001, pressure has increased to flush out al Qaeda and Taliban who escaped US-led military operations in Afghanistan and sheltered in North and South Waziristan. Over the years, Pakistan says it has deployed 90,000 troops in the tribal areas.
The army suffered disastrous losses in 2004, and signed a string of peace treaties leaving FATA to the religious extremists. But attacks in Bajaur and South Waziristan in late 2006 and early 2007 enraged the extremists who swore revenge.
In July, the army’s storming of the Red Mosque in Islamabad added fuel to the fire. The militants targeted the army and police, forcing retaliatory action in which more than 100 people died.
"We pound with heavy artillery fire and shelling the areas from where the forces are attacked," said military spokesmen Maj. Gen. Arshad Waheed.
The civilians, mainly Mahsud and Wazir tribesmen, caught in between are the innocent casualties of war. Tariq Khan, a social activist, told IPS that scores of Wazir tribesmen were staying in tents erected on roadsides in various parts of Tank.
Initially, hundreds of tribesmen lived in the trucks and vans in which they arrived in Tank, he said. Soon, most had rented premises to stay and a few were given shelter by fellow tribesmen who had been living in Tank for some time.
"Some 10 families are living in the compound of my house as they cannot afford rented premises," said Hidayatullah, a Mahsud tribesman who runs a private business in Tank.
"We cannot live here forever; we will certainly go back to our homes, household items and agriculture land," said Ashiq Ali.
The independent Human Rights Commission of Pakistan (HRCP) said civilians were caught in the crossfire. "We seek an immediate end to hostilities, bombing of villages and use of heavy weapons that endanger the lives of civilian population," Kamran Arif, HRCP’s NWFP chapter vice-chairperson, told IPS.
#75 Posted by Dash_Dot on October 26, 2007 5:23:56 am
Re: # 74
It depends - chaos brings out the whole lot......its creative - destructively and constructructively.
resolution and movement are dependent on the neelakantha and the Mohini!
I am rather Ecuminical in my approach to life....
It depends - chaos brings out the whole lot......its creative - destructively and constructructively.
resolution and movement are dependent on the neelakantha and the Mohini!
I am rather Ecuminical in my approach to life....
#74 Posted by KaalChakra on October 26, 2007 5:16:10 am
"have been attending some classes with a friend at the local hare krishna's"
And it shows!
he he, nameless one, that was a real compliment :)
If there is any chaos, we would definitely wish it is creative. Sometimes conflict is without resolution, and dynamics is without movement.
And it shows!
he he, nameless one, that was a real compliment :)
If there is any chaos, we would definitely wish it is creative. Sometimes conflict is without resolution, and dynamics is without movement.
#73 Posted by raheel07 on October 26, 2007 3:24:32 am
I completely agree with you. I am feeling the same. This are just bloody robberers.
-Raheel Lakhani
-Raheel Lakhani
#72 Posted by Dash_Dot on October 26, 2007 1:24:20 am
#62, .....#71
I beleive in the concept of creative chaos.
Out of this chaos will come something which is very beautiful and the people are sufficiently creative. You have to go through the process of swallowing a lot of poison along the way though - and the stamina or depth in the creativity is shown in the baility to keep swallowing this poison.
America wants to the play the role of Mohini, unfortunately there no one who wants to take up the role of Neelakantha .... maybe there is someone from the mullah set who can take this up. (hey I have been attending some classes with a friend at the local hare krishna's)
I beleive in the concept of creative chaos.
Out of this chaos will come something which is very beautiful and the people are sufficiently creative. You have to go through the process of swallowing a lot of poison along the way though - and the stamina or depth in the creativity is shown in the baility to keep swallowing this poison.
America wants to the play the role of Mohini, unfortunately there no one who wants to take up the role of Neelakantha .... maybe there is someone from the mullah set who can take this up. (hey I have been attending some classes with a friend at the local hare krishna's)
#71 Posted by arjun5 on October 25, 2007 2:58:04 pm
#60 Posted by stuka on October 25, 2007 1:16:22 pm
Guys I have a simple question? Who should we Indians root for? The Pakistan Army or the Islamists?
IF the weeds in your lawn got into a death match with the grubs, who would you root for?
you should root for neither side to have the upper hand so they are in perpetual conflict.
Guys I have a simple question? Who should we Indians root for? The Pakistan Army or the Islamists?
IF the weeds in your lawn got into a death match with the grubs, who would you root for?
you should root for neither side to have the upper hand so they are in perpetual conflict.
#70 Posted by tahmed32 on October 25, 2007 2:38:13 pm
Stuka: you should know by now that chowk is Pakistan's answer to Mortal Kombat. ;-)
Hell, Pakistani drama queens are not limited to TV drama series only. They perform on chowk too. Daily shows, 9 to 5, free passes to all!!
Hell, Pakistani drama queens are not limited to TV drama series only. They perform on chowk too. Daily shows, 9 to 5, free passes to all!!
#69 Posted by hamidm2 on October 25, 2007 2:10:50 pm
Re: # 60
stuka,
..... what are you talking about?...... both zeemax and i would vote for nawaz sharif ..... the only difference is that i wouldn't mind if bb wins whereas he wants to see her dead ..... i want to see the taliban dead, he wants them to invite them over for dinner ........ we are not that far apart in our positions ...
stuka,
..... what are you talking about?...... both zeemax and i would vote for nawaz sharif ..... the only difference is that i wouldn't mind if bb wins whereas he wants to see her dead ..... i want to see the taliban dead, he wants them to invite them over for dinner ........ we are not that far apart in our positions ...
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