Khan Khan October 25, 2007
#17 Posted by Ras on October 26, 2007 9:39:21 pm
Double Khan,
Actually an old Tilyar from Toto?
Writing skills intact..
#16 Posted by bullpup on October 26, 2007 7:39:17 pm
re: 15
My Order would draft the said indictment longer than your life but not hers! haha
DId your mama name you "Ras" bruv?
We give not a damn about your problems with Chowk.
Tum nay sirf eik theek baat ki, hum double khan hai mama, kiya saamjha
My Order would draft the said indictment longer than your life but not hers! haha
DId your mama name you "Ras" bruv?
We give not a damn about your problems with Chowk.
Tum nay sirf eik theek baat ki, hum double khan hai mama, kiya saamjha
#15 Posted by Ras on October 26, 2007 6:00:19 pm
RE: #8 bullpup (or Mr. Khan Squared),
Not knowing whether you are serious or if this is all
a bunch or ORDERLY bull below:
"If my Order were ever instructed to draft the indictment of your leader (BB) and her husband (Asif) it would be longer than your life. Rest assured of that "Ras"."
But judging from the length of this article I am at least
assured that my life will be long and this is not
a threat!
My problem with CHOWK is that almost all of the identities
of its "drop in" writers and interactors are unknown.
If you had written this piece under your real name, your
observations and plan of action would be more credible.
Otherwise, this is another bulleya reaction...
Ras
Not knowing whether you are serious or if this is all
a bunch or ORDERLY bull below:
"If my Order were ever instructed to draft the indictment of your leader (BB) and her husband (Asif) it would be longer than your life. Rest assured of that "Ras"."
But judging from the length of this article I am at least
assured that my life will be long and this is not
a threat!
My problem with CHOWK is that almost all of the identities
of its "drop in" writers and interactors are unknown.
If you had written this piece under your real name, your
observations and plan of action would be more credible.
Otherwise, this is another bulleya reaction...
Ras
#14 Posted by bullpup on October 26, 2007 5:49:09 pm
My Order would like to ask tahmed32 and SR whether or not you gentlemen invite my Order further to do the same again after a brief reobservation of the situation?
#13 Posted by tahmed32 on October 26, 2007 2:35:54 pm
SR: I think we already have a reign of terror - what with October 18 and May 12 and the civil war in the tribal areas more Pakistani lives have been lost than were lost in the french revolution.
And indeed in one critical way it is much worse,: whereas the french mobs did not fear suicide bombers in their midst when storming the Bastille or Versailles, peaceful Pakistani demonstrators have something much more sinister to be concerned with than police sticks or tear gas, i.e. they have to also contend with devastating terrorist suicide bombs as happened on October 18 and murderous ghoodna attacks as happened on May 12. One day I hope Pakistan has a memorial to remember the sacrifices paid by these individuals for the cause of restoring the Rule of Law in Pakistan.
The fascists behind these attacks have (wittingly or unwittingly) strengthened Musharraf's hands by making it dangerous for peaceful protestors to even protest this robbery of their basic rights!! We can only watch helplessly, praying for a Deus Ex Machina to save Pakistanis further bloodshed, or do something else to bring this "Clattering Train" from going off track altogether. (Musharraf coming to his senses and allowing Pakistanis to have a normal country with a properly elected and accountable government would be a good start).
And indeed in one critical way it is much worse,: whereas the french mobs did not fear suicide bombers in their midst when storming the Bastille or Versailles, peaceful Pakistani demonstrators have something much more sinister to be concerned with than police sticks or tear gas, i.e. they have to also contend with devastating terrorist suicide bombs as happened on October 18 and murderous ghoodna attacks as happened on May 12. One day I hope Pakistan has a memorial to remember the sacrifices paid by these individuals for the cause of restoring the Rule of Law in Pakistan.
The fascists behind these attacks have (wittingly or unwittingly) strengthened Musharraf's hands by making it dangerous for peaceful protestors to even protest this robbery of their basic rights!! We can only watch helplessly, praying for a Deus Ex Machina to save Pakistanis further bloodshed, or do something else to bring this "Clattering Train" from going off track altogether. (Musharraf coming to his senses and allowing Pakistanis to have a normal country with a properly elected and accountable government would be a good start).
#12 Posted by SR on October 26, 2007 1:37:44 pm
Re: # 11 ["...french revolution was ... a failure ..."]
Entirely agreed... Most "revolutions", particularly violent ones, end up making a bigger mess than the mess that prompts the revolution. That has been a recurring tragedy of history. But man is not know to be a rational creature. Man is a rationalizing creature. He acts on impulse, whim, visceral instinct, call it whatever, and only after the fact makes up an elaborate mythical story to justify his actions.
Please understand, I am NOT advocating a Reign of Terror, no, not at all. I am merely predicting it as an unfortunate inevitability of following the course that we have followed for now sixty years with no end in sight.
...SR
Entirely agreed... Most "revolutions", particularly violent ones, end up making a bigger mess than the mess that prompts the revolution. That has been a recurring tragedy of history. But man is not know to be a rational creature. Man is a rationalizing creature. He acts on impulse, whim, visceral instinct, call it whatever, and only after the fact makes up an elaborate mythical story to justify his actions.
Please understand, I am NOT advocating a Reign of Terror, no, not at all. I am merely predicting it as an unfortunate inevitability of following the course that we have followed for now sixty years with no end in sight.
...SR
#11 Posted by tahmed32 on October 26, 2007 12:10:33 pm
SR: While not wishing to spoil the dramatic affect of your references to the guillotine, I would most humbly point out that the french revolution was in fact considered a failure by the french themselves. All it resulted in was a military dictator with dreams of becoming an emperor, endless strife, and the re-instatement of the Bourbon dynasty.
Writing 50 years after the revolution, de Tocqueville referred to the failed french revolution, travelled to the US to learn why the US succeeded. He was widely read by the french in his day, and this time (sans guillotine), the french got it right.
Of course Pakistanis are smarter (being Allah's Chosen Ummah) than the french and have nothing to learn from the US experience with how to curb unlimited power. Nor for that matter from the British experience, nor the French experience, or the Indian experience, nor the Japanese experience, nor the German experience, nor the more recent Turkish experience, let alone the Costa Rica experience (which is the only country in the world today that has actually abolished its army and is doing fine)...
Writing 50 years after the revolution, de Tocqueville referred to the failed french revolution, travelled to the US to learn why the US succeeded. He was widely read by the french in his day, and this time (sans guillotine), the french got it right.
Of course Pakistanis are smarter (being Allah's Chosen Ummah) than the french and have nothing to learn from the US experience with how to curb unlimited power. Nor for that matter from the British experience, nor the French experience, or the Indian experience, nor the Japanese experience, nor the German experience, nor the more recent Turkish experience, let alone the Costa Rica experience (which is the only country in the world today that has actually abolished its army and is doing fine)...
#10 Posted by SR on October 26, 2007 10:54:45 am
Re: # 7 ["...The murderers of October 18th have to be dealt with severely..."]
Aameen .. Ras bhai.
There are far too many lives being sacrificed at the alter of the many Cults of Personality that rampage through our urban areas. No sacred cow or divine icon is too precious to justify this blood streaming down the clogged drains of our crumbling cities.
Not only the murders of Oct 18th, but also of the day MQM went amock in Karachi, the Waziristan atrocities, the suicide bomb sponsors from militant religious fanatics to criminal law enforcement and armed services big dogs all the way to "westernised secular elite" leaders some of whom are just "Winter Pakistanis," they should all be brought to justice.
If the lawyers' movement had any vision or character they would aim towards a National Truth and Reconciliation type of movement that brings it all to light and aims at rebuilding civil society from a foundation of trust. If this is not done, the alternative is more bloodshed and a real Reign of Terror (not this zankhooN ka martial law).
Summary trials could one day be held by the various "Comité de salut public" compsed of soldiers and citizens alike (but NOT of senior officers or politicians) who will sit in quick judgement, eager to lynch the murders, robbers and other Hyenas and crocodiles in swift and cold dispensations of justice that will, unfortunately, not always be very just -- but they will be very severe.
If we find a Tellyrand and a Robespierre or two, they will suffice. I hiope they bring back the guillotine which is far more humane than a firing squards. We don't want a Pol Pot wearing a turban, a beard and a Klashnkov. (That alternative is even more frightening.)
There is no peace until there is justice. And justice is only justice if it is justice for ALL.
...SR
Aameen .. Ras bhai.
There are far too many lives being sacrificed at the alter of the many Cults of Personality that rampage through our urban areas. No sacred cow or divine icon is too precious to justify this blood streaming down the clogged drains of our crumbling cities.
Not only the murders of Oct 18th, but also of the day MQM went amock in Karachi, the Waziristan atrocities, the suicide bomb sponsors from militant religious fanatics to criminal law enforcement and armed services big dogs all the way to "westernised secular elite" leaders some of whom are just "Winter Pakistanis," they should all be brought to justice.
If the lawyers' movement had any vision or character they would aim towards a National Truth and Reconciliation type of movement that brings it all to light and aims at rebuilding civil society from a foundation of trust. If this is not done, the alternative is more bloodshed and a real Reign of Terror (not this zankhooN ka martial law).
Summary trials could one day be held by the various "Comité de salut public" compsed of soldiers and citizens alike (but NOT of senior officers or politicians) who will sit in quick judgement, eager to lynch the murders, robbers and other Hyenas and crocodiles in swift and cold dispensations of justice that will, unfortunately, not always be very just -- but they will be very severe.
If we find a Tellyrand and a Robespierre or two, they will suffice. I hiope they bring back the guillotine which is far more humane than a firing squards. We don't want a Pol Pot wearing a turban, a beard and a Klashnkov. (That alternative is even more frightening.)
There is no peace until there is justice. And justice is only justice if it is justice for ALL.
...SR
#9 Posted by bullpup on October 26, 2007 10:30:39 am
Re: # 6
Cheers mate. She begged for it. She rekkoned that she was the "daughter of the east" init. haha
Cheers mate. She begged for it. She rekkoned that she was the "daughter of the east" init. haha
#8 Posted by bullpup on October 26, 2007 10:29:02 am
Introductory comments regarding "writing quality" are much appreciated.
In defence of this website my Order says that it is you who follows the skewed path. We say that this time your Order has the ability to do good but it is submitted that you will fail in this venture as you lack leadership and greed will overtake virtue yet again: it is here the the writer of the story must report it as it is.
If my Order were ever instructed to draft the indictment of your leader (BB) and her husband (Asif) it would be longer than your life. Rest assured of that "Ras".
In defence of this website my Order says that it is you who follows the skewed path. We say that this time your Order has the ability to do good but it is submitted that you will fail in this venture as you lack leadership and greed will overtake virtue yet again: it is here the the writer of the story must report it as it is.
If my Order were ever instructed to draft the indictment of your leader (BB) and her husband (Asif) it would be longer than your life. Rest assured of that "Ras".
#7 Posted by Ras on October 26, 2007 9:09:19 am
This article is of much better writing quality than some of
the others. Unfortunately the content has nothing new to
offer.
It seems that CHOWK is deriving its energy on bias and
unsubstantiated "facts"recently.
In any case
Welcome home Benazir Bhutto!
The murderers of October 18th have to be dealt with
severely.
#6 Posted by SR on October 26, 2007 5:53:29 am
Re: # 2 ["... shaken hands with the military dictator to ...is doing exactly opposite of what her fahter stood for..."]
Perhaps you forget the facts in the haze of mythologised history. The Qaud-e-Awam, whom Habib Jaleb aptly called "Nutfa-i-Haraam", was very much in bed with the generals and was their man until, at the very end he grew too big for his boots and the army that created him (as it did Nawaz Sharif two decades later) also ended up destroying him.
ZAB was hand-picked by Ayub Kahn as his minister of industries (or commerce, I forget which) and later his foreign minister. ZAB is know to have referred to Ayub as "daddy." Later, ZAB was thick with Yahya Khan. On that shameful night of March 25th, 1971, when na-Pak fauj went on a merderous rampage against it's Bengali citizens and arrested Mujib, our shinning knight of democracy, Mr. "Nutfa-i-Haraam", came out and said "Thank God Pakistan has been saved," or something very similar.
Then two weeks later he took oath as deputy prime minister & foreign minister under Yahya Khan. Nur-ul-Amin was designated PM, but that pathetic character was so old and fragile that he was known to pee in his pants. So ZAB was de facto PM under a military dictator, just as his daughter, Bezameer, is now trying to do in keeping with family tradition.
ZAB was then, after Yahya's well deserved disgrace and removal, sworn in as Chief Martial Law Administrator and President. This is how he began, so why do you say that she does differently from the beast. She is, after all, Daughter of the Beast. (A nice play on words)
...SR
Perhaps you forget the facts in the haze of mythologised history. The Qaud-e-Awam, whom Habib Jaleb aptly called "Nutfa-i-Haraam", was very much in bed with the generals and was their man until, at the very end he grew too big for his boots and the army that created him (as it did Nawaz Sharif two decades later) also ended up destroying him.
ZAB was hand-picked by Ayub Kahn as his minister of industries (or commerce, I forget which) and later his foreign minister. ZAB is know to have referred to Ayub as "daddy." Later, ZAB was thick with Yahya Khan. On that shameful night of March 25th, 1971, when na-Pak fauj went on a merderous rampage against it's Bengali citizens and arrested Mujib, our shinning knight of democracy, Mr. "Nutfa-i-Haraam", came out and said "Thank God Pakistan has been saved," or something very similar.
Then two weeks later he took oath as deputy prime minister & foreign minister under Yahya Khan. Nur-ul-Amin was designated PM, but that pathetic character was so old and fragile that he was known to pee in his pants. So ZAB was de facto PM under a military dictator, just as his daughter, Bezameer, is now trying to do in keeping with family tradition.
ZAB was then, after Yahya's well deserved disgrace and removal, sworn in as Chief Martial Law Administrator and President. This is how he began, so why do you say that she does differently from the beast. She is, after all, Daughter of the Beast. (A nice play on words)
...SR
#5 Posted by jayp on October 26, 2007 2:51:26 am
The pathetic pakistanis are obscessed with benazirs billions. Every general has millions, every khaki has managed some govt land, every retired khaki official has managed some job in the fuaji compoanies....every politician has made some money
and now the business men also got their share...50 billion rupees have been written off by the govt banks.
The pak situatuation " every one according to his capability..." so why focus only on benazir...admire her skills.
If benazir is smart, once the cases are withdrawn she should leave pakistan the hell hole
and now the business men also got their share...50 billion rupees have been written off by the govt banks.
The pak situatuation " every one according to his capability..." so why focus only on benazir...admire her skills.
If benazir is smart, once the cases are withdrawn she should leave pakistan the hell hole
#4 Posted by Skeptical on October 25, 2007 9:33:03 pm
A good article though some what one sided. Nevertheless it does gives good insight about BB's true source of popularity and her mis deeds and the way military changes its stance from conservative to liberal not as a matter of principle but merely t extend its grip on power.
#3 Posted by bullpup on October 25, 2007 1:54:44 pm
Cheers geezer. In London we like a bit of cliche init. Its a bit of a laugh mate.
#2 Posted by asfand on October 25, 2007 1:52:32 pm
BB is "dying" to become the prime minister of Pakistan. She has already shaken hands with the military dictator to become the PM of Pakistan. She is doing exactly opposite of what her fahter stood for.
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