Ahmar Mahboob October 26, 2007
#70 Posted by jayp on October 30, 2007 12:43:56 am
Thank you Ahmar for the article.
For YLH the jihadis are due to india and teh indian whabism. Then there is role of Gandhi who spread hatred and the jihadis picked it up from him. According to YLH, the only books read in madrassas are koran and gandhis "my experiments with truth".
For tahmed, the jihadis are due to the US and the afghan war.
For zeemax, teh jihadis are due to Zia.
Now you have added the WB and the IMF to thsi list.
When will any pakistani say that the jihadis are due to pakistani policies and assume responsibility.
For YLH the jihadis are due to india and teh indian whabism. Then there is role of Gandhi who spread hatred and the jihadis picked it up from him. According to YLH, the only books read in madrassas are koran and gandhis "my experiments with truth".
For tahmed, the jihadis are due to the US and the afghan war.
For zeemax, teh jihadis are due to Zia.
Now you have added the WB and the IMF to thsi list.
When will any pakistani say that the jihadis are due to pakistani policies and assume responsibility.
#69 Posted by GT on October 29, 2007 8:29:30 am
Mahboob:
Another point. You have a static cross section of income and schools. I would guess that the difference between madrassas and public school "choice" is not significant for "middle income" groups. If so, then it is quite interesting on its own and could point at some ideology based choices. Of course, there is too little data for this long shot.
Regards.
Another point. You have a static cross section of income and schools. I would guess that the difference between madrassas and public school "choice" is not significant for "middle income" groups. If so, then it is quite interesting on its own and could point at some ideology based choices. Of course, there is too little data for this long shot.
Regards.
#68 Posted by GT on October 29, 2007 8:24:38 am
Dear Mahboob,
You present data which is consistent with your theory. This is a nice first step. As others have pointed out, presenting data which is consistent with your theory is not sufficiently convincing. As a next step, you may want to collect some data to deal with the counter-factual. Here is what you can do:
Take two districts in a state (this controls for a lot of heterogeneity), such that they have a different growth of public funding for schools. It would be nice to see whether the growth of madrassas are consistent with your story.
Doing the above exercise across states may give you some idea about the influence of culture etc. that some interactors have been talking about.
These exercises need inter-temporal data though.
No-matter how much data you use, you can never "prove" your point. However, with more careful data analysis you will be more and more convincing.
You present data which is consistent with your theory. This is a nice first step. As others have pointed out, presenting data which is consistent with your theory is not sufficiently convincing. As a next step, you may want to collect some data to deal with the counter-factual. Here is what you can do:
Take two districts in a state (this controls for a lot of heterogeneity), such that they have a different growth of public funding for schools. It would be nice to see whether the growth of madrassas are consistent with your story.
Doing the above exercise across states may give you some idea about the influence of culture etc. that some interactors have been talking about.
These exercises need inter-temporal data though.
No-matter how much data you use, you can never "prove" your point. However, with more careful data analysis you will be more and more convincing.
#67 Posted by mohar11 on October 29, 2007 8:00:08 am
*It's NOT as if we have NOT dealt with your ilk, the talibans before*
#66 Posted by mohar11 on October 29, 2007 7:50:22 am
zee
It's NOT as if we have dealt with your ilk, the talibans before... in kashmir, for example... the kill rate was always over-whelingly in favor of our troops... rarely ever jihadis captured indian soldiers... jihadis used to run away into nearby mosques in the hope that indian army will hesitate to attack a place of worship... but mostly they used to get blasted to pieces, alongwith mosques and bedouin books...
You go ahead and fight your kanjaroons, that's a fight you may have a chance to win... you have no chance against kafirs... :)
It's NOT as if we have dealt with your ilk, the talibans before... in kashmir, for example... the kill rate was always over-whelingly in favor of our troops... rarely ever jihadis captured indian soldiers... jihadis used to run away into nearby mosques in the hope that indian army will hesitate to attack a place of worship... but mostly they used to get blasted to pieces, alongwith mosques and bedouin books...
You go ahead and fight your kanjaroons, that's a fight you may have a chance to win... you have no chance against kafirs... :)
#65 Posted by majumdar on October 29, 2007 4:34:54 am
Zeemax sahib,
Why dont u reproduce the whole text in UP? Thanks in advance.
Regards
Why dont u reproduce the whole text in UP? Thanks in advance.
Regards
#64 Posted by zeemax on October 29, 2007 4:31:10 am
#63 Posted by majumdar,
(Please maintain data integrity :)
Yep 16:35 was the Friday score. Add up Thursday and Sunday from NY Times and Washington Post to get at the final ratio:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/29/world/asia/29PAKISTAN.html?_r=1& ref=world&oref=slogin
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/ 2007/10/29/AR2007102900370.html
Never mind the rest of the week for the time being ...
(Please maintain data integrity :)
Yep 16:35 was the Friday score. Add up Thursday and Sunday from NY Times and Washington Post to get at the final ratio:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/29/world/asia/29PAKISTAN.html?_r=1& ref=world&oref=slogin
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/ 2007/10/29/AR2007102900370.html
Never mind the rest of the week for the time being ...
#63 Posted by majumdar on October 29, 2007 3:39:29 am
Zeemax sahib,
(Please maintain data integrity :)
Leader on Geo TV website
http://www.geo.tv/geonews/
(AT LEAST 35 EXTREMISTS, 16 SECURITY FORCES KILLED IN THREE DAYS OF CLASHES IN SWAT: NEWS AGENCY )
Regards
(Please maintain data integrity :)
Leader on Geo TV website
http://www.geo.tv/geonews/
(AT LEAST 35 EXTREMISTS, 16 SECURITY FORCES KILLED IN THREE DAYS OF CLASHES IN SWAT: NEWS AGENCY )
Regards
#62 Posted by zeemax on October 29, 2007 3:02:01 am
#61 Posted by majumdar,
The [sic] took much bigger casualties in the battle of Mirali, and even over the weekend more of [sic] who have been killed in Swat than kanjaroons.
Dunno where you get this info. The Mirali was no battle but a bombing raid over the village bazaar of Ippi which mainly killed civilians. The villagers who escaped confirmed that the Mujahideen had left for the mountains long before the raid.
As for Swat, some 60-70 troops have been killed in combat plus 14 abducted and beheaded. Additionally, the ISPR is so far denying Fazlullah's claim that 308 FC men are in his custody ... but they initially denied too the 250 in Baitullah's custody. In comparison, no more than a couple of dozen militants have been reported killed by media.
Please maintain data integrity :)
The [sic] took much bigger casualties in the battle of Mirali, and even over the weekend more of [sic] who have been killed in Swat than kanjaroons.
Dunno where you get this info. The Mirali was no battle but a bombing raid over the village bazaar of Ippi which mainly killed civilians. The villagers who escaped confirmed that the Mujahideen had left for the mountains long before the raid.
As for Swat, some 60-70 troops have been killed in combat plus 14 abducted and beheaded. Additionally, the ISPR is so far denying Fazlullah's claim that 308 FC men are in his custody ... but they initially denied too the 250 in Baitullah's custody. In comparison, no more than a couple of dozen militants have been reported killed by media.
Please maintain data integrity :)
#61 Posted by majumdar on October 29, 2007 2:37:39 am
Masadi sahib,
(you on the other hand remain a plagirizing fool)
I was not plagiarising you, it was just two wise men coming to similar conclusions independently much like Newton and Leibniz discovering calculus simultaneously but independently.
Zeemax sahib,
(Yes ... but who will they go after, after they've run out of domestic kanjaroons to behead? )
True. But haven't you concluded rather prematurely that it is the havayoons who will end up beheading all the kanjaroons rather than the other way round. The havayoons took much bigger casualties in the battle of Mirali, and even over the weekend more of havayoons who have been killed in Swat than kanjaroons.
Also refer to my Post #55
Regards
(you on the other hand remain a plagirizing fool)
I was not plagiarising you, it was just two wise men coming to similar conclusions independently much like Newton and Leibniz discovering calculus simultaneously but independently.
Zeemax sahib,
(Yes ... but who will they go after, after they've run out of domestic kanjaroons to behead? )
True. But haven't you concluded rather prematurely that it is the havayoons who will end up beheading all the kanjaroons rather than the other way round. The havayoons took much bigger casualties in the battle of Mirali, and even over the weekend more of havayoons who have been killed in Swat than kanjaroons.
Also refer to my Post #55
Regards
#60 Posted by zeemax on October 29, 2007 2:26:46 am
#58 Posted by majumdar,
Yes ... but who will they go after, after they've run out of domestic kanjaroons to behead? Obviously they'll look for 'foreign markets'. :)
Yes ... but who will they go after, after they've run out of domestic kanjaroons to behead? Obviously they'll look for 'foreign markets'. :)
#59 Posted by masadi on October 29, 2007 2:23:25 am
majumadar writes "Neoliberalism" affects Latin America, Africa, South East Asia and India equally. So how come people here are not flocking to madrassas"
That was my point in my post #6 here, don't try to borrow my point and then criticize the author as if he were me. SA are not the direct cause of the militant medressa but once the structure of it has been created the SA policies feed it and keep the foundations strong, that was my point, and the author talks about the link as indirect as well though he appears myopic for not making that assertion clearer, you on the other hand remain a plagirizing fool
That was my point in my post #6 here, don't try to borrow my point and then criticize the author as if he were me. SA are not the direct cause of the militant medressa but once the structure of it has been created the SA policies feed it and keep the foundations strong, that was my point, and the author talks about the link as indirect as well though he appears myopic for not making that assertion clearer, you on the other hand remain a plagirizing fool
#58 Posted by majumdar on October 29, 2007 2:06:47 am
Zeemax sahib,
(and Taliban have finally got rid of the Jahanabad budhha carved in stone in Swat.)
Seems they have got rid of quite a few security personnel too over the weekend.
(Now they will go after the idol worshipers and behead them wherever they find them.)
For the time being they seem to be more interested in beheading the kanjaroons within their borders.
Regards
(and Taliban have finally got rid of the Jahanabad budhha carved in stone in Swat.)
Seems they have got rid of quite a few security personnel too over the weekend.
(Now they will go after the idol worshipers and behead them wherever they find them.)
For the time being they seem to be more interested in beheading the kanjaroons within their borders.
Regards
#57 Posted by zeemax on October 29, 2007 2:00:58 am
Laddu,
You will be pleased to know that your fear of the idol breakers is totally justified, and Taliban have finally got rid of the Jahanabad budhha carved in stone in Swat.
Now they will go after the idol worshipers and behead them wherever they find them. Beware of your banya topi stand !!!
You will be pleased to know that your fear of the idol breakers is totally justified, and Taliban have finally got rid of the Jahanabad budhha carved in stone in Swat.
Now they will go after the idol worshipers and behead them wherever they find them. Beware of your banya topi stand !!!
#56 Posted by laddu on October 29, 2007 1:02:32 am
Re: # 52
Allah is responsible for Taliban.
Sunnat is responsible for Taliban.
If Allah is the supremacist deity then Taliban is his fascist clone on the Earth.
If Allah is correct then so is Taliban.
Allah is responsible for Taliban.
Sunnat is responsible for Taliban.
If Allah is the supremacist deity then Taliban is his fascist clone on the Earth.
If Allah is correct then so is Taliban.
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