On disowning Bhagat Singh and Other Vagaries

#47 Posted by A.H.Cemendtaur on November 1, 2007 3:25:47 pm

Thanks, Ras Siddiqui, for the encouragement, and thanks to other readers for giving their feedback. I'll ask Ahmad Salim to read the article and respond to the comments--especially to the ones related to Dyal Singh Library and Amrita Pritam.
I still have to download video footage and make a movie out of it, but meanwhile you can see the pictures at:
http://karachiphotoblog.blogspot.com/

warm regards

#46 Posted by bjkumar on November 1, 2007 3:41:31 am

HP miaN is dishonest, as countless times before.

Zia's denigration of the Bhagat Singh was not based on any pretenses that the Singh's contribution was less than worthy to the Indian independence struggle. It was done strictly to accommodate the doctrine of necessity to deprecate the "other" - in the same way that the Afghanistani Taliban destroyed their own relics of the past - like the Bamiyan Buddha! (And HP is not the only person here who was fine with that sordid act!)

The reason miaN HP deliberately looks away from that simple fact is because the reality is too upsetting!

The past relics only have value for those who feel a closeness of some kind to those relics - otherwise, they are another man's treasure but your trash!

In the end, everything ends up in the ganda naala - including our own mortal remains!

#45 Posted by harish_hyd on October 31, 2007 11:38:21 pm

#44 by majumdar

So who have run away from Pakistan to enjoy the pleasures of the Godless west. Why dont you come back to Pak and fight for the Momins there.

Majumdar bhai, Borivili to me appears to be Urstruly's soulmate. Notice how both shed copious quantities of tears for their fellow Muslim brethren in Pakistan and elsewhere, without willing to leave their cozy jobs and comforts in faraway lands and actually do something about it.

#44 Posted by majumdar on October 31, 2007 11:08:53 pm

Borivilli mian,

O worthy man!!! So who have run away from Pakistan to enjoy the pleasures of the Godless west. Why dont you come back to Pak and fight for the Momins there.

Regards

#43 Posted by borivili_express on October 31, 2007 11:02:31 pm

Worthless man I am not a Pakistani and do not live in Islo

#42 Posted by majumdar on October 31, 2007 10:52:56 pm

Borivilli mian,

(Lok at your hindu hypocrisy more concern for books than for human beings just because they were of a different religion)

Look at your own greatness, mian crying hoarse over murder of Muslims in India and justifying white phosphorus-ing of Muslimas in your own country.

(sick hindus did one of you who claim to purchase this lifeless books and transport them to India lift a finger to save a single child or woman in your own country?)

Healthy Momin, did you lift a finger to save a single schoolkid who was burnt to conders in your own backyard in Isloo.

Regards

#41 Posted by borivili_express on October 31, 2007 10:44:45 pm

Dude you want zia to be concerned about some useless books while you rape and cut his kin folk in ganda nalas and are still doing it till today in Gujarat. Lok at your hindu hypocrisy more concern for books than for human beings just because they were of a different religion, sick hindus did one of you who claim to purchase this lifeless books and transport them to India lift a finger to save a single child or woman in your own country?

worthless....

#40 Posted by majumdar on October 31, 2007 9:51:31 pm

Borivilli mian,

(u bastards who are abusing Zia for throwing your dirty books where were you when the muslim women of Jalander, from where Zia an Awan hailed, were being raped and thrown in ganda nalas? )

And where were you when your General Mush was spraying the schoolkids in Lal Masjid with White Phosphorus?

(detai led interviews with the rapists, mutilators and killers themselves, role of police, VHP, RSS and Bajrang Dal, BJP and Modi himself )

And what about the role of your rulers in butchering Muslims in Dhaka (1970-71), NWFP (1970s), B'stan (1970s), Karachi (1980s and 90s), W'stan, Swat and Lal Masjid (curerntly) Your Mard e Momins have murdered more Muslims than all the Injuns put together.

Regards

#39 Posted by dullabhatti on October 31, 2007 9:06:24 pm

HP: It will be hard for me to believe that Amrita did not know Ahmad Salim's name even until 1982, because that poem and letters concerned Amrita Pritam and some other pro-establishment writers as much as Amhad Salim. That letter was at center of debate for long time in leftist Punjabi magazines. I would keep your info for the time being and look for colloborating evidence in future. Evidence could be in Naagmani issues between 1971 and 1982 unfortunately that is much before my time:-)

#38 Posted by HP on October 31, 2007 6:24:23 pm

#30 Posted by dullabhatti
"HP, what year did you meet Amrita Pritam in New Delhi?"
In 1982. When I mentioned Ahmed Salim she had no idea!

#31 Posted by drlokraj

"is he same Ahmad Salim, whom Paash had dedicated a long poem in 71-72?"

He could be! Ahmed Salim was a young and upcoming Punjabi poet in 1971 but was not popular in Punjab as Punjabi poets rarely get recognition in Lahore! He was arrested along with Habib Jalib, Prof Amin Mughal, Shamim Ashraf Malik, and a few others that I don't remember now, in 1971 for protesting against the army action in E. Pak. Last I heard Amin Mughal was somewhere in England. Shamim Ashraf Malik died a decade ago and we all know about Habib Jalib.
I met Salim when he was teaching or was a research scholar at Institute of Sindhialogy at Sindh University in 1978-79.

A word about the nonsense about Hindi and Gormukhi books. Couple of years ago the same story appeared on chowk when someone claimed that in 1966 Ayub Khan asked the Karachi University to burn all Hindi books. That is bull crap. No such incident happened and I think Salim is regurgitating the same story now using Punjab University.
It is a lie.

Every story like this must be put through a simple test. Librarians are professionals and will not allow books to be burned or send down the drain no matter who ordered them. Old books that have no readers demand are ordinarily removed to storage or archives to make room for the new books and that is a standard practice. Since there are no Hindi or Gormukhi readers left in Pakistan, any librarian would move those books to storage. He wouldn’t need an order from Zia or Ayub.

I believe the Karachi University Vice Chancellor Peerzada Qasim started his career as a Liberian in the sixties and he is a pretty liberal person with lots of respect for literature. He writes Urdu poetry himself. I would not believe that a person of his credentials would have allowed books to be burned in Karachi university library without making a fuss about it.

Similarly, I think it is a complete fabrication by Ahmed Salim to claim that books were sent down the drain in Dyal Singh library. No Librarian worth his salt would allow that to happen no matter how regressive he or she is.

What a pity that liberals/Leftists like Ahmed Salim had to resort to lies to collect couple of bucks for their NGOs.

#37 Posted by shishapa on October 31, 2007 3:18:20 pm

kandivili_passenger,

No matter how much you jump up and down, pop out
veins, throw fits, and try to browbeat hinjews to
shame, you are not getting get Kshmir, it has become
intergral part of India (you know, Atoot Ung),
unfortunately.

I guess no kauwa touching your pind...

#36 Posted by KaalChakra on October 31, 2007 3:07:30 pm

Boribhai, the good thing is, at least drlokraj agrees with you. Good start. :)

#35 Posted by borivili_express on October 31, 2007 2:34:14 pm

These Hindu have some complex they have been butchering their minorities since ancient times, budhists and muslims didnt suffer half as much as the Dalits/sudras

#34 Posted by dullabhatti on October 31, 2007 2:25:43 pm

Lokraj, yes. and also the letter in "Hem Jyoti" asking Salim some tough questions. There is no way amrita did not know about Ahmad Salim...he has been mentioned and published in Naagmani many times. so I am wondereing whether HP met her before 71 or after 2000;)

#33 Posted by borivili_express on October 31, 2007 2:16:03 pm

These stinking hindus and Indians are still doing to muslim women and children would Zia rightly did to their books read this from Tehelka magazine one of India's leading the Planning and exectuion of the Muslim Genocide/Pogrom in Gujarat here is the link : http://www.tehelka.com/story_main35.asp?filename=Ne031107gujrat_sec.asp

detai led interviews with the rapists, mutilators and killers themselves, role of police, VHP, RSS and Bajrang Dal, BJP and Modi himself