Voice from Waziristan

#32 Posted by rf786 on October 30, 2007 2:49:10 am

the mullah dude thought the move to the new job would weaken the jihad...the support for jihad didn't actually diminish.

....the only way talibanisation can occur in Pakistan is if the govt. keeps bombing waziristan.....and that too, at the encouragement of usa.....

....waziristanis have never been anti-pakistan.....they have never carried out violence against pakistan......why are they, all of sudden, ready to join taliban and al-qaeeda, in attacking pakistan.....in fact, why are taliban and al-qaeeda, themselves, attacking pakistan, when they have never done so before.....

......the answer is simple....taliban, waziristanis and al-qaeeda consider usa their enemy.....so they are in a state of war against the usa......it is a either you are with us or against us theory......so they will bomb anyone who assists the usa.......the easiest target is pakistan......

.....this is a very dangerous cycle.....pakistan will bomb waziristan, killing people.......somebody from there, will use taliban and al-qaeeda, as a vehicle, to attack pakistan and will carry out an explosion in pindi or islamabad....then pakistan will bomb again, under the premise that it needs to take out terrorism, forcefully......again someone will bomb pindi and islamabad.......eventually it will turn into a daily affair....

there will, of course, by people on both sides, encouraging both sides to militarily solve the problem....i.e. people pushing the pakistan govt. (usa govt., daily times, hamidm mian types) on one side, and al-qaeeda and taliban supporters on the other.....musharraf, needing usa support, will continue to bomb, regardless of consequence....his generals, to keep him happy, will continue complying.....any officer who does not obey is court-martialed and jailed (i know of some)......bb types will require us support to get elected, and will support attacks, in a round about manner......

pakistan, through the stupidity of a few heavily pro-usa elite, is in the first stages of becoming iraq......

......there is a simple solution, stop bombing waziristan.....stay out of us wars......this will make the local population pro-pakistan, again......after that, the popularity of talibn and al-qaeeda will automatically fall in those areas......taliban and al-qaeeda have no historical social base in pakistan.....

this whole problem started, when in afghan war 1, pakistan supported, uncoditionally, the usa.......

....it has been proven that there is absolutely no way to fight civilians through the military......it is being proven in iraq.......if the usa with a massive military cannot defeat iraqis, what chance does any other country have, with much tinier mlitaries.......

this is a social problem, not a military problem.......

Romair,

(stay out of us wars)

Easier said than done. Do you think USA will allow Pak to stay away from the WOT?

(when in afghan war 1, pakistan supported, uncoditionally, the usa.......)

What you have chosen to omit is the fact that Pakistan did so in its own (perceived) self-interest- Billions of dollars in civil and military aid, expansionist ambitions in J&K and Afghanistan

Regards

Re:bulleya
"......there is a simple solution, stop bombing waziristan.....stay out of us wars..."

Amazing strategery!! Pakistan's elites have sold their souls to the US, not today but many decades back. Do you think they have the testicular fortitude to stand up to the US and declare that they opt out of the war on terror? Look at the way the Indian polity is debating the civilian nuclear deal and in fact scuttling it to avoid diluting any sovereignity. If this was Pakistan, everyone would bend over backwards to sign on the dotted line as long as the US gave some crumbs.

After all this time, if Pakistan decides to thumb its nose at the US, you know what will happen. The US will lash out in the most vicious manner. There is nothing more infuriating or humiliating than to see a slave stand up to its master. Its not for nothing that Powell threatened Musharraf with "bombing back to the stone age".

Basically the Pak elite is caught between a rock and a hard place - F16 bombs vs suicide bombs. It remains to be seen which set of bombs will prevail.

#34 Posted by bulleya on October 30, 2007 5:31:40 am


....the only way talibanisation can occur in Pakistan is if the govt. keeps bombing waziristan.....and that too, at the encouragement of usa.....


yup..quite the dilemma...either you bomb the pakis with the jihadi bent or the US bombs you...the result is the same...bombs in pakiland..




to attack pakistan and will carry out an explosion in pindi or islamabad....


yup..either it's the jihadi bombs going off in pindi or US bombs...

dhobi ka fauji, na allah ka na amrika ka..


pakistan, through the stupidity of a few heavily pro-usa elite, is in the first stages of becoming iraq......


you mean like the pro-US elite who were itching to join the US invasion of afghanistan so much so that they were willing to give up their "IT careers"?

or the pro-US elites who thought, with uncle sam's wind in it's sails, pureland could afford to continue to nurture the jihadis and sic them on india...


......there is a simple solution, stop bombing waziristan.....stay out of us wars


this one line explains why pureland is so messed up..pakis, even to this day, have deluded themselves into believing that they were willing participants in the war on terrorism and weren't dragged into it by threats..

we need some insights into the pakistan situation from the poster called romair..he was a brilliant analyst..his ability to predict events is unmatched..


A World Upside Down
Posted by Romair Oct 5, 2001 11:58 am



Pakistan is now in an interesting position.

It is already the most allied of allies with China. It is also now a very strong ally of the US. Also, Pakistan, along with Saudia Arabia, has become the most critical country amongst the leadership (or benchmark) of the Muslim world of 55 countries.

Pakistan is now in a much stronger position on Kashmir now than it was at the time of the coup.

If the Indian leadership is realistic, it should reach a settlement on Kashmir now. Otherwise, in two years, Pakistan will most likely be in a stronger situation than now. If things pan out the way I think they are, i.e. Musharraf as a powerful President keeping the corruption of an elected assembly in check, and the West, China and Islamic world pumping money into Pakistan, in ten years Pakistan may reach an economic situation where Pakistan will then refuse to negotiate on Kashmir.


If Pakistan returns to its traditional 6% growth rates, and is simultaneously an ally of China, US and the Islamic world, then the options available to India in Kashmir will be much more limited than they are now. And even now, they are much more limited than they were at the time of coup.

So if anyone in India is listening: negotiate on Kashmir while you still have some cards up your sleeve, would be my advice.

wow..look how right romair was about mushy..

Islams Challenge
Posted by Romair Sep 29, 2001 01:03 pm
rjanjua #257: ``That man has done an excellent job so far (considering the fact that he is a gunner).``

He is also the Chief commando. So that is a another negative on the intellectual side. However, what people keep forgetting is that he was born in Delhi. His parents and grandparents grew up in India. This fact alone makes him more balanced and intelligent than all us easily-provoked ignoromoses from the Northeast. He has the intelligence, shrewdness, and cunning of an Indian, and the aggressiveness and fearlessness of a Pakisani. Best of both worlds. Unlike, some previous military and civilian commanders who had the intelligence, shrewdness, and cunning of a Pakistani, and the aggressiveness and fearlessness of an Indian. And he is a flaming liberal (a side of his personality, he has yet to show), which is the kind of personality the currently overly conservative Pakistan needs at the helm.

I had been backing him from the day the coup was carried out. Infact, it was very easy to do so. I have worked with and met enough Generals to be able to differentiate between the genuine honest ones and the self-serving ones. At the expense of sounding like a racist, a non-MQM Muhajir leadership is the best kind of leadership for Pakistan, at the moment, in my opinion. This is exactly what the current leadership is. And if Pakistanis would develop enough common sense to leave behind their theoretical Western democracy books, and think with Pakistani practicality, they will realize that that this is exactly the leadership Pakistan needs for the next ten years.

yup..when it rains, it pours...now all the helicopters are being used to bomb the tribals...

Islams Challenge
Posted by Romair Sep 28, 2001 08:53 pm
When it rains, it pours:

``US to offer emergency military sales to Pakistan

$75m package may comprise gunship helicopters, equipment for patrolling Pak-Afghan border`` (NEWS, Pakistan)

It seems like the same is starting to happen again. However, this time there is a different twist. Unlike during the Afghan war, the average American is now also aware of Pakistan, and is starting to support Pakistan. Also, the US senators and senior govt. officials are making it a point to state that they will not, ``dump`` Pakistan, this time around.

should I go on?

why not? It's fun...


Black Tuesday: The View From Islamabad
Posted by Romair Sep 23, 2001 11:48 pm
Zahra #412: I had suggested before the interview that Benazir is now cornered. The whole world is now aware of her corruption. Her two trump cards of denouncing the military govt. and presenting herself as a, ``westernized`` alernative are down the drain, now also. She cannot criticize Musharraf as the US (and most Pakistanis) have now seems to have figured out that he is the right man to back.





Black Tuesday: The View From Islamabad
Posted by Romair Sep 23, 2001 02:29 pm
Asif Naqshbandi #401: As someone who has followed the Kashmir issue more closely and personally than probably anyone on this site, I think I can safely state that Pakistan`s position is now stronger than it has ever been historically on the Kashmir issue. The chances of a Kashmir solution now are greater than they have ever been. India has never been in such a defensive position on this issue, as it is right now.

The US stance has always been to support the right of self-determination in Kashmir. The US is not going to do anything against Pakistan now. Nothing. Zero. This is a new phase of a long-term alliance, with Musharraf at the head. He is becoming a hero in the US media circles. His definition of differentiating between fighting terrorism and supporting freedom fights is now going to become the international standard, as he is one of the only people in the world whose govt. has actively participated in both. A friend of a friend in the Pakistani Foreign Service told me that Bush called Musharraf and emotionally told him if he opposed the US, Pakistan would turn into Afghanistan, and if he supported the US, the US would ensure that Pakistan becomes a very prosperous country. Mush

seriously...

Black Tuesday: The View From Islamabad
Posted by Romair Sep 23, 2001 02:29 pm


The US will then push for a UN based solution which will divide Kashmir into three parts, with an independent Valley (something the Kashmir Study Group (and I) have been suggesting for a while). I think Musharraf has plans to stay as President for the next ten years. The US will ensure that it assists him during that time, and I see an independent Valley within the next five to ten years.

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NYtimes says some paki blew himself up in front Mushy's fortified compound...

arjun come on dude, romair is no more wrong than the foreign policy wizzes who thot us iraqis wud welcome us soldiers as liberators
prognastication aint ez

Re: # 43 Arjun people of good taste demand you go home and take rest. Now you should know things change with time. But K problem is there and it is hurting india by 1000 cuts. While little encouragement for FF (Freedom fighers) get magnifide in effect. Just now general is stressed little so its good time to have give and take for future of India. If kashmir is not solved to satisfaction the wound of inda can be kept long as please. Do not get too smart and happy as either way who wins in W.STan is long term problems to india. Things can chage fast on ground. With new 31 helicopter Gunship army has become now mobile deadly accurate accuracy and trouble makers have no weapon against helicopter gunship. So if army wins then pressure on western will be reduced and army will turn attention to K front. If big push is given and one way ticket to FFs then hard time on India. If troublemakers win then it will be impossible for indian army. So either way India will be on pressure. It is good time to give and take before FF forces become strong. You need states man like general to calculated risk for peace.
Good day. You are quite miserable but has tenacity one has tto admit, but that is used for nonliberal attitude increase.