Bobby & Jerry : Rise of a Coloured ‘son’ Retold

Re: # 23 It is amazing and also Mr. Mittal seems very humble honest person to write so sincerely about other company which is slowly rising they may clash at some place and some time. I was under impression he was mean minded sindhi and firing white people and trembling them with his plans of right sizing.
I am for parsee caste they are honest and good people except "sincerely Behram" he had some mental problem and doubt he is real pakistani he had strange obsessions or he was really in usa as its hard to get there unless you can show above average white man higher qualities and useful to usa. I had money in stocks with Adamji Insurance and company was not doing good as they were honest and giving real quarterly projections while other raskal we lieing always. I believed in good sound practce and honest ways of parsees and was awarded.
I am not against captalism as creates wealth with egalatarian ways honestly. I do not like our "capitalists" in Karachi as most are traders than capitalists in true sense. They do not put labour and add value to raw materials but just packaging or even not that but value addition by marking up boxes. Or some business are out right with criminal intentions. Like PSM which it looses money or PIA which has 670 people serving per air machine. They take poor peoples money and reduce it by 10% percent by selling product under costs and they are also generous to schemes for "do gooders" like as you said trivial strange causes like and people who are doing social acytivity as profession.
Now world over many depts are developed just to keep attention deficient disorder people employed by i think women minorities , studies, oppression of women and young children, handicapped ( i am handicapped metal depression), pakistan studies, India, hindu studies all stuff. And they produce papers all recycled by same people and refreed by their coworkers and blackmailing govts industries and conference and at that time worrying about world and then asking for more like beggars in karachi knowing on peoples cars and extracting more and more.
My daughter told me in midest univ in usa she got tutors job at good univ in dept of minority and women in engineering.(I am not bragging, she was getting $12 dollars for doing nothing , 2 hours for 5 days week.). Now minority dark students never use to come some times they will come and ask for help in assignments. They did not properly geometry so she found easy to solve problem and give boy as any we it never going to enter his thick head was geometry deficient. But women are better all women engg students use to come for help not solutions. But in general it was no work and full salary.
Also do gooder not not hard working. They do not read original on whose foundation they talk as if they are expert but they impress young inocent women and marry them is wrong. They do not work is great problem they want direct other hard working rich and poor peoples lifes. Once I met one lafanga my daughter ( she was impressed by his careless and high talk) said is smart he use to talk about revolution and Marx social change and empowering women and what not stuff. Once he came to my place , criticised my ways etc indirectly. Anyway now I need to go to food my wife does not like her waiting for me. Yes this all do gooder are worthless but as a social burden we have to tolerate them as they think too highly about themselves and serious also. bye need to go.

Maharana,

The irony is not lost. India faces and manages far greater diversity than the US does. We understand that.

It is these godless communists' making an issue of religion that insults one's intelligence. Communists have only two motivations. Oppose anything non-communist. Oppose and hurt India.

One has never before heard a commie oppose a Hindu converting to either Islam or Christianity.

Re ahmedmadani #22

[Re: # 15 Is it written by mr. Mittal Nittal-Arcelor steel (who is competetior Rival) to Tata steel?]

Yes, the person who wrote that was Mr. Lakshmi Mittal of Mittal-Arcelor Steel.

Tata Charities did wonderful work in the aftermath of the great tsunami by providing clean drinking water in the worst hit locality. The water they supplied met or exceeded WHO standards for drinking water and was far far better than the junk delivered in cities like Calcutta or Chennai/Madras. That alone prevented the outbreak of cholera, dysentery and a host of water-borne diseases that could have devastated familities which had already lost their worldly possessions and family members.

Tata is an old-line company that has re-made itself. Much before there was an Infosys or Wipro, there was TCS, Tata Consulting Services. And it was about as difficult to get into a Tata company as it was to get into the coveted Indian Administrative Service.

Mrs. Narayanamoorthy mentions that her first job was with the Tatas in Pune. When she was initially rejected for a job on the manufacturing shop floor, she wrote to the Managing Director who reversed the initial decision and hired her.

The reason cited for rejecting her: there were no restrooms/toilets for women since there were no women employees in the shop floor! I believe Tatas built a women's toilet to accommodate her and then continued to hire women.

Somewhere there is an article about how a women's cooperative is supplying the food in the cafeteria at Tatas-Pune and not some highfaluting caterer. That again is more good that comes out of capitalism than comes out of Nimbupani's Women's Studies Programs.

Re: # 15 Is it written by mr. Mittal Nittal-Arcelor steel) who is competetior Rival) to Tata steel ? Thanks
I have heard mittal was eyeing PSM ( for land to build multy storied city by closing), may be tata should be allowed to bid for PMS when sell of PMS comes in future

Re Maharana #20

[Your artcile makes no sense to the people on whom a basic irony is lost. That is, in a country like India, there are christian CM's being elected without having to renounce their religion or become hindu hardliners. But in the US without converting and becmoing a hardline conservative it would be impossible for a desi to be elected to such an office.
Imagine if a desi had to convert to islam to be elected to such an office in a muslim country.]

You mean, gasp, a Hindu doesn't have to become a Muslim to hold high office in a Muslim country?

Why didn't somebody tell this to Jinnah-bhai? His dad (or was it his granddad?) converted so that Jinnah-bhai could lead India's Muslims to True Freedom.

Mr. Patwardhan,

Your artcile makes no sense to the people on whom a basic irony is lost. That is, in a country like India, there are christian CM's being elected without having to renounce their religion or become hindu hardliners. But in the US without converting and becmoing a hardline conservative it would be impossible for a desi to be elected to such an office.
Imagine if a desi had to convert to islam to be elected to such an office in a muslim country. The same people on this board would be crying hoarse about islmaic fundamentalism and societal values.
But To figure out such a thing you need a spine. And Darwin would have been surprised (had he been alive) that we indians are evloving from vertebrates to invertebrates.
Adios

Re majumdar #11

[Good God!!! Another Hindu racist, casteist, fascist, misogynist bigoted freak!!!]

Was it Kissinger who asked, "What has India got, except malaria to export?"?

Learn to handle the truth. Truth sets you free.

As the motto says on the seal of the Government of India, "Satyameva Jayate" (Truth Alone Triunphs).

Re majumdar #11

[Good God!!! Another Hindu racist, casteist, fascist, misogynist bigoted freak!!!]

Was it Kissinger who asked, "What has India got, except malaria to export?"?

Learn to handle the truth. Truth sets you free.

As the motto says on the seal of the Government of India, "Satyameva Jayate" (Truth Alone Triunphs).

More good than Baba Amte, Arundhati Roy, etc., can ever hope to produce:

Following is a note written by Lakshmi Mittal after his visit to TISCO recently.

Lakshmi Mittal:
- Undisputed King of World Steel
- 5th Richest Man, per the Forbes List of Billionaires (2006)
- Richest Indian in the World, with an estimated fortune of $27.7 billion
- Richest in UK according to the Sunday Times Rich List 2006, with a net worth of £14.8
billion.
- 2006 Person of the Year, per The Financial Times

"........I visited Jamshedpur over the weekend to see for myself an India that is fast disappearing despite all the wolf-cries of people like Narayanamurthy and his ilk. It is one thing to talk and quite another to do and I am delighted to tell you that Ratan Tata has kept alive the legacy of perhaps India's finest industrialist J.N. Tata. Something that some people doubted when Ratan took over the House of the Tata's but in hindsight, the best thing to have happened to the Tata's is unquestionably Ratan. I was amazed to see the extent of corporate philanthropy and this is no exaggeration.

For the breed that talks about corporate social responsibility and talks about the role of corporate India, a visit to Jamshedpur is a must. Go there and see the amount of money they pump into keeping the town going; see the smiling faces of workers in a region known for industrial unrest; see the standard of living in a city that is almost isolated from the mess in the rest of the country.

This is not meant to be a puff piece. I have nothing to do with Tata Steel, but I strongly believe the message of hope and the message of goodness that they are spreading
is worth sharing. The fact that you do have companies in India which look at workers as human beings and who do not blow their software trumpet of having changed lives. In fact, I asked Mr. Muthuraman, the managing director, as to why he was so quiet about all they had done and all he could offer in return was a smile wrapped in humility, which said it all. They have done so much more since I last visited Jamshedpur, which was in 1992. The town has
obviously got busier but the values thankfully haven't changed.

The food is still as amazing as it always was and I gorged, as I would normally do. I visited the plant and the last time I did that was with Russi Mody. But the plant this time was gleaming and far from what it used to be. Greener and cleaner and a tribute to environment management. You could have been in the mountains. Such was the quality of air I inhaled! There was no belching smoke; no tired faces and so many more women workers, even on the shop floor. This is true gender equality and not the kind that is often espoused at seminars organised by angry activists. I
met so many old friends. Most of them have aged but not grown old. There was a spring in the air which came from a certain calmness which has always been the hallmark of
Jamshedpur and something I savoured for a full two days in between receiving messages of how boring and decrepit the lack lustre Fashion Week was.

Jamshedji Nusserwanji Tata had created an edifice that is today a robust company and it is not about profits and about valuation. It is not about who becomes a millionaire and who doesn't'. It is about getting the job done with dignity and respect keeping the age-old values intact and this is what I learnt.

I jokingly asked someone as to whether they ever thought of joining an Infosys or a Wipro and pat came the reply: "We are not interested in becoming crorepatis [millionaires]
but in making others crorepatis [millionaires]." Which is exactly what the Tata's have done for years in and around Jamshedpur.

Very few people know that Jamshedpur has been selected as a UN Global Compact City, edging out the other nominee from India, Bangalore. Selected because of the quality of life,
because of the conditions of sanitation and roads and welfare. If this is not a tribute to industrial India, then what is? Today, India needs several Jamshedpurs but it also needs this Jamshedpur to be given its fair due, its recognition. I am tired of campus visits being
publicised to the Infosys and the Wipro's of the world.
Modern India is being built in Jamshedpur as we speak. An India built on the strength of core convictions and nothing was more apparent about that than the experiment with truth
and reality that Tata Steel is conducting at Pipla.

Forty-eight tribal girls (yes, tribal girls who these corrupt and evil politicians only talk about but do nothing for) are being educated through a residential program over nine months. I went to visit them and I spoke to them in a language that they have just learnt: Bengali. Eight weeks ago, they could only speak in Sainthali, their local dialect. But today, they are brimming with a confidence that will bring tears to your eyes. It did to mine.

One of them has just been selected to represent Jharkand in the state archery competition. They have their own women's football team and what's more they are now fond of education. It is a passion and not a burden.

This was possible because I guess people like Ratan Tata and Muthuraman haven't sold their souls to some business management drivel, which tells us that we must only do
business and nothing else. The fact that not one Tata executive has been touched by the Naxalites in that area talks about the social respect that the Tata's have earned.

The Tata's do not need this piece to be praised and lauded. My intent is to share the larger picture that we so often miss in the haze of the slime and sleaze that politics imparts.

My submissions to those who use phrases such as "feel-good" and "India Shining" is first visit Jamshedpur to understand what it all means. See Tata Steel in action to know what
companies can do if they wish to. And what corporate India needs to do.

Murli Manohar Joshi would be better off seeing what Tata Steel has done by creating the Xavier Institute of Tribal Education rather than by proffering excuses for the imbroglio in the IIMs. This is where the Advanis and Vajpayees need to pay homage. Not to all the Sai Babas and the Hugging saints that they are so busy with. India is changing inspite of them and they need to realise that.

I couldn't have spent a more humane and wonderful weekend. Jamshedpur is an eyeopener and a role model, which should be made mandatory for replication. I saw corporate India actually participate in basic nation-building, for when these tribal girls go back to their villages, they will return with knowledge that will truly be life-altering. Corporate India can do it but most of the time is willing to shy away.

For those corporate leaders who are happier winning awards and being interviewed on their choice of clothes, my advise is visit Tata Steel, spend some days at Jamshedpur and
see a nation's transformation. That is true service and true nationalism.

Tata Steel will celebrate 100 years of existence in 2007. It won't be just a milestone in this company's history. It will be a milestone, to my mind of corporate transparency and generosity in this country. It is indeed fitting that Ratan Tata today heads a group which has people who are committed to nation-building than just building influence and power.

JRD must be smiling wherever he is. And so must Jamshedji Nusserwanji. These people today have literally climbed every last blue mountain. And continue to do so with
vigour and passion. Thank god for the Tata's !"

"Born on 10 June 1971 to Hindu parents, who had immigrated to Baton Rouge, Louisiana just 6 months earlier, he converted to Catholic faith early in life in the most Catholic state in the whole of USA and changed his name to anglicized ‘Bobby’ from the given name ‘Piyush’ at age four."

can you clarify this sentence a bit..its not about english..the time-line of his conversion apparently is important to this article and this sentence is really confusing to me.

Bobby Jindal’s getting elected the governor of his state represents a remarkable accomplishment.

He symbolizes the fact that one can keep one’s values on one's own without the crutches of its superficial covers. He has changed his religious label and his nickname but he has no lesser an understanding of his roots and his identity and his sources of strength than any chowkie here.

Equally important, the state of Louisiana also represents what the new American south is all about. The new American south looks beyond the skin color and judges people for their values.

The new American south is about positive things and the new American blood (which the Jindal represents) is about positive things and neither of the two is about being held hostage to a sometimes dubious past.

the authors complaint seems to be more along the lines of why is this trumped up litle upstart getting so many headlines in India.....surely he has no right to these many column inches when there are more worthy Indians in India who should receive these colun inches.

To this you add the dimension of ideological incompatibility, the odd-racial-sterotype juxtaposed vis-a-vis the consevrative-stereotype you have a pretty volatile and heedy mix for the left-wingers. Also note: the left-wingers are more articulate and seem to have a greater quantity of vitriol in their tanks.

Two Indians arrested with knives at US airport

New York (PTI): Two Mumbai-bound Indians flying from Atlanta were apprehended for carrying folding and steak knives in their carry-on baggage just as the flight was about leave but FBI said it was not a case of terrorism.

Chhaganbhai Patel, 60, was found carrying a double bladed folding knife, 20 steak knives and razor blades, hidden in the battery compartment of a toy car, during a regular screening at Hartsfield-Jackson Airport in Atlanta.

On questioning, the security officials found that he had a companion Shakarabhai Patel, 64, who was also pulled out of the plane. A search of baggage revealed that he was carrying a box cutter and $ 5000 in cash.

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Clearly the two indians were followers of Osama, trying o imitate another 9/11, this time 1/11 per teh asian way fo writing of dates.

Re neembu #9

[is that the crackpipe talking?]

If I were taking/teaching Women's Studies one could say that.

But I am not.

(Real African values include schistosomosis, river blindness, AIDS infecting in excess of 40% of the population of a country, and in earlier times, selling one's fellow humans to slave traders. We can add to that genocide and murderous dictatorships in modern times.In addition, real African values also include having children out of wedlock, a pattern that persists even today some 350+ years after some Africans were forcibly moved out of the Dark Continent to the American continent.)

Good God!!! Another Hindu racist, casteist, fascist, misogynist bigoted freak!!!

Regards

Re: # 9

is that the crackpipe talking?

Re neembu #8

[Actually, Africa is the birthplace of all civilization, the continent that has originated astronomy, medicine, science, maths, physics, the most egalitarian society known to antiquity, and anyone with brains and a library card would understand that having read the work of Basil Davidson, Henry Louis Gates, Ivan van Sertima, Toyin Falola and countless other African Studies scholars.]

Once I finish the works of Basil Davidson, Henry Louis Gates, Ivan van Sertima, Toyin Falola and countless other African Studies scholars, I shall move on to Women's Studies scholars.

Each of them (African Studies and Women's Studies) should take about a week, ha ha ha! Though some people have managed to make a life's career at universities based on such stuff!

After that, I shall enroll for classes under Rohit Chopra!

Re: # 7

Actually, Africa is the birthplace of all civilization, the continent that has originated astronomy, medicine, science, maths, physics, the most egalitarian society known to antiquity, and anyone with brains and a library card would understand that having read the work of Basil Davidson, Henry Louis Gates, Ivan van Sertima, Toyin Falola and countless other African Studies scholars.

[Africa takes us to the core of what ‘Indian values’ should mean. Baba Amate, Arvind Kejariwal, Verghese Kurien, Aruna Roy, Rajendra Singh, Mabelle Arole are, to name just a few, outstanding heroes who have shown great fortitude, entrepreneurship & resourcefulness in their respective areas of work to create self supporting & self reliant community structures. They have created real wealth, the wealth of dignity & happiness for all. An inclusive growth not just limited to ‘High Achievers’ Rao talks about. The replication of their work would aid generously in taking India to the number one position in GNH - gross national happiness.]

Real African values include schistosomosis, river blindness, AIDS infecting in excess of 40% of the population of a country, and in earlier times, selling one's fellow humans to slave traders. We can add to that genocide and murderous dictatorships in modern times.

In addition, real African values also include having children out of wedlock, a pattern that persists even today some 350+ years after some Africans were forcibly moved out of the Dark Continent to the American continent.

High achievers such as Azim Premji, Narayanamoorthy of Infosys, Ratan Tata, etc., have created more wealth and more millionaires than Baba Amate, Arvind Kejariwal, Verghese Kurien, Aruna Roy, Rajendra Singh, Mabelle Arole, etc. Even the Communists of China have figured out that "sharing of wealth" results only in sharing of misery after the freeloaders use up all the money saved by those who have real respect for the value and power of money.

[GNH is based on the concept of ‘Ubuntu’. Ubuntu is a word that symbolizes the philosophy originating in Southern Africa. Ubuntu means ‘I am because you are’.]

No, Ubuntu really means "Now you are as poor as me".

#1 by Neembu.
Clearly an oversight. Thanks for alert reading.

By the way, what is Jayatirath Rao doing in a communist piece? Years ago, there used be one Jayatirath Rao in Citibank, and at that time the man was too intelligent to have any truck with the red menace.

Hope this Jayatirath Rao is someone else, or Mr. Patwardhan is not implying any agreement with Jerry on any subject.

One communist brother recently performed a lachrimose bhangra on Chowk complaining how leftists were not considered true Indians/Hindus. Now, another one seeks to cut a person off because of the latter's conservative views.

For the good of India and the world, we must do WHATEVER upsets Indian communists the most.

Bobby Jindal zindabad. Long live the fanatical, conservative, Christian Jindal.

Bobby Jindal's victory is a triumph of assimilation. He became Christian in a Christian country and became a conservative Republican in a Republican state. Whether he did it through conviction or as calculated moves is something only Bobby knows.

I would have expected Hindu nationalists to lament his conversion to another religion. But they seem to celebrate his victory as that of one of their own. But it seems that Indian Leftists cannot feel happy over the victory of someone from the opposite end of the ideological spectrum. Looks like ideological blood is thicker than religion/ethnicity.

Mr. Patwardhan, why don't you do us all a favour and move to Africa as well? I hold no brief for Bobby Jindal but who are you to insinuate that an Indian cannot hold conservative views?

Chowk Editors,

Why is term "insolent niggers" not put in quotation marks? Hello?!