ijaz gul November 3, 2007
#9 Posted by nasah on November 6, 2007 5:37:09 am
Though I hate to say this -- what lies ahead for Pakistan is again its army – now headed by a sober professional Kiyani.
the army brought forth the flamboyant Musharraf imposed him upon the populace without its consent -- enjoyed all the perks and promotions at the public expense through him for full 8 years -- and in the process got fat and flabby.
Surrounded by his civilian sycophants and Q fever parasites Musharraf became an unprofessional soldier and an inept politician -- currently he seems to have lost all his mables turning into a bad rotten egg stinking both places -- the civilian as well as the army.
Musharraf has become an embarrassment to his country and an embarrassment to his army – he has outlived his usefulness for both his country and his army.
Musharraf came by a coup, tried to live by another coups and will leave by yet another coup, in the offing -- not by those 4 thousand jailed human rights activists, judges and blackcoats with busted heads.
the army brought forth the flamboyant Musharraf imposed him upon the populace without its consent -- enjoyed all the perks and promotions at the public expense through him for full 8 years -- and in the process got fat and flabby.
Surrounded by his civilian sycophants and Q fever parasites Musharraf became an unprofessional soldier and an inept politician -- currently he seems to have lost all his mables turning into a bad rotten egg stinking both places -- the civilian as well as the army.
Musharraf has become an embarrassment to his country and an embarrassment to his army – he has outlived his usefulness for both his country and his army.
Musharraf came by a coup, tried to live by another coups and will leave by yet another coup, in the offing -- not by those 4 thousand jailed human rights activists, judges and blackcoats with busted heads.
#8 Posted by wd40xps on November 5, 2007 12:10:10 pm
Reading the full text of Musharraf's address to the nation, one cannot help but sympathise with the president and give full support to him from saving Pakistan from its self destruction.
He may have violated the constitution. So what? Where is the greater good under the present circumstances? The opposition fuels fire for their own selfish gains.
The justice department is not at fault if it declares Musharraf's election unconstitutional. We must raise our hats to the Supreme Court of Pakistan. At the same time the president is not at fault to declare the state of emergency to keep the crisis under control.
One must under the present circumstances look at the broader picture for the good of the country. What Musharraf cannot do as a president with the joint responsibility of the chief of the armed forces, that any of your past elected prime ministers or the ones vying for this job can do? Has he not brought Pakistan to prosperity? Has he not elevated Pakistan to a near superpower? What are the accomplishments of your previous prime ministers and presidents? Do they not pale in comparison to what Musharraf has done for Pakistan?
So what if he continues to be the president under the current deteriorating state of affairs? Can the opposition not wait for few more months/years to grab power? What plans do they have to bring peace and prosperity to Pakistan? I am sure Musharraf will listen to them.
People of Pakistan, wake up. And remember since 1947 when you got your independence, for how many years you had real democracy in Pakistan. You have to learn to be democratic to enjoy democracy.
Laton k bhoot baton se nahih maantay.
What Musharraf did was totally right under the present circumstances. Have patience. He does not care to give up his presidency. He does care for you and your nation.
Is there any body more qualified than him to lead you under these difficult times of unrest and terrorism? Bear with him. Look at your history since your independence, and learn something from it. Don't be a lakir k fakir in interpreting the the legality of his position. See what's good for your country.
President Musharraf, my warmest regards to you. And may Allah help you in preserving peace and sanity in Pakistan, even though you may intend to violate constitution, temporarily.
May Allah bless you!
He may have violated the constitution. So what? Where is the greater good under the present circumstances? The opposition fuels fire for their own selfish gains.
The justice department is not at fault if it declares Musharraf's election unconstitutional. We must raise our hats to the Supreme Court of Pakistan. At the same time the president is not at fault to declare the state of emergency to keep the crisis under control.
One must under the present circumstances look at the broader picture for the good of the country. What Musharraf cannot do as a president with the joint responsibility of the chief of the armed forces, that any of your past elected prime ministers or the ones vying for this job can do? Has he not brought Pakistan to prosperity? Has he not elevated Pakistan to a near superpower? What are the accomplishments of your previous prime ministers and presidents? Do they not pale in comparison to what Musharraf has done for Pakistan?
So what if he continues to be the president under the current deteriorating state of affairs? Can the opposition not wait for few more months/years to grab power? What plans do they have to bring peace and prosperity to Pakistan? I am sure Musharraf will listen to them.
People of Pakistan, wake up. And remember since 1947 when you got your independence, for how many years you had real democracy in Pakistan. You have to learn to be democratic to enjoy democracy.
Laton k bhoot baton se nahih maantay.
What Musharraf did was totally right under the present circumstances. Have patience. He does not care to give up his presidency. He does care for you and your nation.
Is there any body more qualified than him to lead you under these difficult times of unrest and terrorism? Bear with him. Look at your history since your independence, and learn something from it. Don't be a lakir k fakir in interpreting the the legality of his position. See what's good for your country.
President Musharraf, my warmest regards to you. And may Allah help you in preserving peace and sanity in Pakistan, even though you may intend to violate constitution, temporarily.
May Allah bless you!
#7 Posted by saima_gul on November 5, 2007 10:27:02 am
Capital talk.the link will show you much more;
http://blip.tv/users/view/pkpolitics
http://blip.tv/users/view/pkpolitics
#6 Posted by NangaPir on November 5, 2007 6:55:54 am
Pakistni is inching, like a melting glacier, to its logical destiny. Colonial created judiciary tried to be Pakistani by serving people while the army and other British created forces took more traditional path. So was the rise of conflict.
Please do not call those in Waziristan and Swat as fundamentalists. They are local people fighting Hindustani thugs in power. Just native people are awakening to reclaim their territory. So called Indian muslims goofed the locals in 1947 that Hidnus goose them and their women in India so they need some refuge in Pakistan. This was the biggest lie of the last century. Mushraff's uncle still oprates family run circumicizing shop in Dehli. Hakim Hamid has Hamdard in Dehli and Saeed has in Pakistan. And all Mohajirs have dual options. It was just extension of markets by Hindustani muslims. Sooner these mountian revolutionary will be on Margalla hills ready to roll into Islamabad.
Please do not call those in Waziristan and Swat as fundamentalists. They are local people fighting Hindustani thugs in power. Just native people are awakening to reclaim their territory. So called Indian muslims goofed the locals in 1947 that Hidnus goose them and their women in India so they need some refuge in Pakistan. This was the biggest lie of the last century. Mushraff's uncle still oprates family run circumicizing shop in Dehli. Hakim Hamid has Hamdard in Dehli and Saeed has in Pakistan. And all Mohajirs have dual options. It was just extension of markets by Hindustani muslims. Sooner these mountian revolutionary will be on Margalla hills ready to roll into Islamabad.
#5 Posted by dost_mittar on November 5, 2007 5:53:10 am
Gul Saheb:
Let us hope that your country will come out soon from this dark phase. The crisis this time is different from those of earlier periods and there are many more actors involved than just the army and the political parties.
The next 2-3 days are crucial; if the lawyers' protests gain momentum and the people come out on the streets in large numbers resulting in some dead bodies, you might see the dissension in the army ranks grow, otherwise one would have to wait and see how the dynamics of the situation plays out. Watch out also for the moves by BB and Maulana Fazal of JUI.
Let us hope that your country will come out soon from this dark phase. The crisis this time is different from those of earlier periods and there are many more actors involved than just the army and the political parties.
The next 2-3 days are crucial; if the lawyers' protests gain momentum and the people come out on the streets in large numbers resulting in some dead bodies, you might see the dissension in the army ranks grow, otherwise one would have to wait and see how the dynamics of the situation plays out. Watch out also for the moves by BB and Maulana Fazal of JUI.
#4 Posted by Skeptical on November 4, 2007 9:38:03 am
I think we blame history too much!! Lets not debate 1947 or 1935 or whether this is Jinnah's Pakistan or not. The most shameful thing has occured and yet we are not capable of coming up with a collective response. The parties which have street power are already in collaboration with the Government-never in my life I have been that disappointed.
#3 Posted by HP on November 4, 2007 5:24:06 am
"A PCO flowing out of the barrel of a gun cannot put the train of democracy back on the track. The ghost of 1935 has grown in power and the mindset behind it is at best self serving. In this gloomy picture, even ‘Nowhere’ implies a status quo."
Ijaz,
The resolution to the problems in Pak is not by way of looking in the past. Still, your reference to 1935 is brilliant. Most political analyst cannot make the connection between 1935 and the independence of Pakistan.
Let me try and answer the question you have asked.
What Lies Ahead For Pakistan?
The war between the ruling groups is reaching a point where they will end up destroying each other and in the process would cause damage to Pakistan. These groups have always considered Pakistan as their property and in the past, were always united against the people of Pakistan. Now that people of Pakistan have finally withdrawn from the political process, these thieves have begun to fight amongst themselves. The country has gone to dogs is the reality but there are lots of redeeming features too.
The history that you did not write about here is the history of Pakistani people struggling against these powerful ruling groups. While Pakistani history is full of rulers playing with the constitution and laws, the Pakistani people have always fought for their fundamental rights. From 1951 to 1984(the end of MRD movement) the people of Pakistan confronted these ruling groups on many occasions. Sad but true, most of the time the ruling groups, with the help of the army, were able to destroy the people’s resistance. Even in 2007 people showed they still have the ability to come out on the streets and turn the tide. We saw their participation brought the CJ back.
My feeling is that the people in Pakistan will just sit back and watch these ruling groups destroy themselves. The supreme courts, the Army, the legislatives and the political parties have turned against each other as they feel that they don’t have to fear the people of Pakistan anymore.
There are groups that are hoping for the people to come out on the streets. At this time, I think that would be a mistake. As soon as the people come out, these ruling groups will be united again to counter the people of Pakistan.
I know we can’t just sit back and enjoy this but we have the best seats and we should enjoy these criminals fight each other off. Their weakness is the source of future power for the people.
We have only reached the 50% mark. There is more to come.
PS. I have flagged Mr. Cemendtaur's post below because I think he is spamming by posting a press release on every board.He should show better sense.
Ijaz,
The resolution to the problems in Pak is not by way of looking in the past. Still, your reference to 1935 is brilliant. Most political analyst cannot make the connection between 1935 and the independence of Pakistan.
Let me try and answer the question you have asked.
What Lies Ahead For Pakistan?
The war between the ruling groups is reaching a point where they will end up destroying each other and in the process would cause damage to Pakistan. These groups have always considered Pakistan as their property and in the past, were always united against the people of Pakistan. Now that people of Pakistan have finally withdrawn from the political process, these thieves have begun to fight amongst themselves. The country has gone to dogs is the reality but there are lots of redeeming features too.
The history that you did not write about here is the history of Pakistani people struggling against these powerful ruling groups. While Pakistani history is full of rulers playing with the constitution and laws, the Pakistani people have always fought for their fundamental rights. From 1951 to 1984(the end of MRD movement) the people of Pakistan confronted these ruling groups on many occasions. Sad but true, most of the time the ruling groups, with the help of the army, were able to destroy the people’s resistance. Even in 2007 people showed they still have the ability to come out on the streets and turn the tide. We saw their participation brought the CJ back.
My feeling is that the people in Pakistan will just sit back and watch these ruling groups destroy themselves. The supreme courts, the Army, the legislatives and the political parties have turned against each other as they feel that they don’t have to fear the people of Pakistan anymore.
There are groups that are hoping for the people to come out on the streets. At this time, I think that would be a mistake. As soon as the people come out, these ruling groups will be united again to counter the people of Pakistan.
I know we can’t just sit back and enjoy this but we have the best seats and we should enjoy these criminals fight each other off. Their weakness is the source of future power for the people.
We have only reached the 50% mark. There is more to come.
PS. I have flagged Mr. Cemendtaur's post below because I think he is spamming by posting a press release on every board.He should show better sense.
#2 Posted by A.H.Cemendtaur on November 4, 2007 2:57:36 am
A plan of action beyond a usual statement of condemnation
Friends of South Asia (www.friendsofsouthasia.org) is meeting on Sunday, November 4, at 6 pm at Newark City library for its Eid-Diwali program and to brainstorm on devising a strategy to deal with the present political crisis in Pakistan. Here is the first draft of a plan of action FOSA is working on and would like to discuss in the meeting.
C.
With the imposition of Emergency on November 3 General Pervez Musharraf has plunged Pakistan into terrible uncertainty. Whereas General Pervez Musharraf says he took the precarious step to save Pakistan, no one doubts the only thing Musharraf is interested in saving is his own grip on power.
We condemn Pervez Musharraf’s latest authoritarian decree and want Pakistanis and well-wishers of Pakistan to build pressure on him to take back the emergency measures. But having witnessed Pervez Musharraf’s propensity to sacrifice anything for his own personal gain we doubt if Musharraf under any cogent force would backtrack.
Considering Pakistanis desire for democracy, the recent struggle for the restoration of a Chief Justice illegally removed by the dictator, the ongoing pro-civil society debates in the erstwhile independent Pakistani media, and the pro-democracy sentiments within the Pakistan Army we wish to humbly suggest a shorter path towards restoring order in Pakistan.
In order to facilitate removal of Pervez Musharraf and to avoid further chaos in the country by keeping its institutions intact we urge Pakistanis in general and Pakistan’s political parties in particular to quickly form an interim government. The interim government and events related to its enactment should have the following features:
1. The interim government should be headed by an interim president who would hold free and fair general elections in the shortest span of time.
2. To ensure working of an independent judiciary all Supreme Court judges deposed on November 3 by Pervez Musharraf should be restored to their positions.
3. Pakistan Army should stop taking orders from Pervez Musharraf and current Vice Chief of Army Staff, General Kayani should immediately take charge of the forces. General Kayani should work under the interim president.
4. All political workers and members of legal fraternity arrested in the wake of emergency should be released.
5. All bureaucratic institutions with their current officers should keep functioning under the interim president.
We urge Pakistani political parties to quickly consent to an interim president. One choice obvious to many would be Retired Chief Justice Wajihuddin Ahmed who as a public servant not only had a spotless career, but who gained considerable public support while recently running for President against Pervez Musharraf
Till an interim government through the wishes of Pakistanis and Pakistan’s political parties takes command we ask all citizens to commence an indefinite strike starting from Monday, November 5.
Friends of South Asia (www.friendsofsouthasia.org) is meeting on Sunday, November 4, at 6 pm at Newark City library for its Eid-Diwali program and to brainstorm on devising a strategy to deal with the present political crisis in Pakistan. Here is the first draft of a plan of action FOSA is working on and would like to discuss in the meeting.
C.
With the imposition of Emergency on November 3 General Pervez Musharraf has plunged Pakistan into terrible uncertainty. Whereas General Pervez Musharraf says he took the precarious step to save Pakistan, no one doubts the only thing Musharraf is interested in saving is his own grip on power.
We condemn Pervez Musharraf’s latest authoritarian decree and want Pakistanis and well-wishers of Pakistan to build pressure on him to take back the emergency measures. But having witnessed Pervez Musharraf’s propensity to sacrifice anything for his own personal gain we doubt if Musharraf under any cogent force would backtrack.
Considering Pakistanis desire for democracy, the recent struggle for the restoration of a Chief Justice illegally removed by the dictator, the ongoing pro-civil society debates in the erstwhile independent Pakistani media, and the pro-democracy sentiments within the Pakistan Army we wish to humbly suggest a shorter path towards restoring order in Pakistan.
In order to facilitate removal of Pervez Musharraf and to avoid further chaos in the country by keeping its institutions intact we urge Pakistanis in general and Pakistan’s political parties in particular to quickly form an interim government. The interim government and events related to its enactment should have the following features:
1. The interim government should be headed by an interim president who would hold free and fair general elections in the shortest span of time.
2. To ensure working of an independent judiciary all Supreme Court judges deposed on November 3 by Pervez Musharraf should be restored to their positions.
3. Pakistan Army should stop taking orders from Pervez Musharraf and current Vice Chief of Army Staff, General Kayani should immediately take charge of the forces. General Kayani should work under the interim president.
4. All political workers and members of legal fraternity arrested in the wake of emergency should be released.
5. All bureaucratic institutions with their current officers should keep functioning under the interim president.
We urge Pakistani political parties to quickly consent to an interim president. One choice obvious to many would be Retired Chief Justice Wajihuddin Ahmed who as a public servant not only had a spotless career, but who gained considerable public support while recently running for President against Pervez Musharraf
Till an interim government through the wishes of Pakistanis and Pakistan’s political parties takes command we ask all citizens to commence an indefinite strike starting from Monday, November 5.
#1 Posted by devkant on November 4, 2007 1:24:11 am
Mushy to the Pakistani Public: -
My Dear Pakistanis, I am sorry for the sham democracy and so called freedom of speech and fundamental rights which have interrupted normal services. Normal emergency services along with suspension of citizen rights will resume soon bringing everything under control!!!!!
My Dear Pakistanis, I am sorry for the sham democracy and so called freedom of speech and fundamental rights which have interrupted normal services. Normal emergency services along with suspension of citizen rights will resume soon bringing everything under control!!!!!
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