Do You Have a Substitute?

"Freedom of expression" is a lovely term yet, while a great majority of people around the world claim this freedom, what comes to mind is that, how it is defined, what are the parameters? what if any ethics are applicable to this privilege? how, when & by whom should this be exercised and what happens when one surpasses the limits of civility? isn't it a privilege for civilized societies who care to raise their voice and concerns in a civil mode, without inflicting uncivilized statements & profanities, & without transgressing to the extent of being blood thirsty?
In as much as I have seen in my short life of over half a century, we the Pakistanis, have never accepted any and I mean "any" govt to have done good for the nation as a whole. Everyone who ruled this poor nation of ours have at one time or another been blamed for having abused the nation, everyone has typically installed their cronies while in power. I mean there is no exception to this rule be it a civilian govt in Pakistan or the Military dictatorship.
We have not once allowed any govt. to complete it's term, & have typically removed everyone who came to power in as far as I can see.
As an example, even though majority of us happen to be the followers of Deen-e-Islam we don't spare a chance to envy our very own neighbors sharing a a wall with us, when it comes to going beyond our resources we have no reservations, if the neighbor spend Rs 1 on an occasion of their family we feel challenged unless we spend more than that and make sure we do even if we have to resort to money that we secure by unfair and unlawful means(such as bribery). I can go on listing many examples which describe our state of confusion but would rather limit due to space and time it takes to read through.
In my humble opinion and observation we and I mean all of us will have to go back to the basics and adopt what our noble Deen prescribes, and, mind you this should not happen because someone says so or some so-called religious figure imposes so; it should happen from within each of us at our own, a serious effort for soul searching as to where we go wrong and how to correct ourselves as I personally don't like anyone else pointing a finger at me no matter how wrong or bad I happen to be and I expect everyone has the same feeling.
We cannot conclude our current declining state that is taking us nowhere but towards self-destruction unless we assess our own shortcomings and make a sincere effort to fix all of those, yes it takes time and effort but it certainly will be fruitful in the long run as an individual, as a society and as a nation.
I am not a mullah, molvi or a scholar per se, I am just an ordinary Pakistani like anyone else but my inside tells me that before we began to seek the rights & privileges we should allow civility to settle within ourselves since this "might is right" politics cannot survive for too long a period and may spell out the demise of our nation at our own hands(God forbid).
May Allah SWT bless us with the wisdom to assess and evaluate ourselves and enable us to take prudent steps resulting in flourishing decisions for our homeland of Pakistan, & may Allah SWT save us from fitnah amongst ourselves, ameen suma ameen. To end my comments I seek the forgiveness of anyone who feels offended due to any of my comments. Thank you.

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Freethinker

You say:

"It is better to give the governance of this country on contract to some external secular country for a time and allow some healthy institutions to take root in the meantime. Or, better still, invite the United Nations to govern the country."

That is perhaps the best proposition in the circumstances. Why not request Britain to revoke the Act of Independence before Mush takes us back to the stone age.

A Letter To Musharraf’s Supporters:

You have an opinion and have a right to express and dears that’s what we need to see in Pakistan. I am a Pakistani citizen too and just want to exercise my basic human right ‘freedom of expression’. When no one is allowed to point fingers to ‘Musharraf’ and his sacred ‘allies’ how they could enjoy the same? Who has given them this unquestionable authority to do whatever ‘they’ think is right and legitimate in every sense (certainly not the ‘Pakistani Awam’), without giving the fair chance to other Pakistanis to prove their innocence?
If media was portraying ‘one sided' and ‘Negative’ stories according to you guys so what's the big deal? What about the state controlled channels and news papers which had been the perpetrators of the same crime since ages? The only difference is that that worked for state not against it. If anchors like Dr Shahid, Talat Hussain, Nusrat Javaid, Kamran Abbasi etc are so annoying to you just switch off the channel or just turn to P.T.V. to listen to your kind of stuff. Why so much afraid of the 'other side of story'. And don't talk about CNN or BBC that they also follow code of conduct. If they had been guilty of the same crime, people like 'Michael Moore' and 'George Galloway' would have been arrested long time back. The lies, the propaganda, airing state crimes in explicit way (which is another lie) for which 'Geo and ARY’ were considereds responsible, were far less than P.T.V.’s "Zulm kee Dastan" televised in Zia-ul-Haq's regime which was totally one sided and graphic at the same time. But that was O.K as that's what “they” wanted. It was not long ago when we were tortured by only one version of Ptv and when the opposition, now ruling party of Karachi used to lament that their side of story was never showed or was always twisted. What Pervaiz Musharraf did in the name of 'code of conduct' to some private channels is clearly depicting the true face of his masqueraded democratic reign and the reality of the credit of 'free media’ that he always was so pompous about has surfaced.
If civilian regimes and our leaders ( 'Benazir' and 'Nawaz Sharif') had not come up to the expectation of Pakistani people and have ruined the country that too in no way permits our holy army to cross their boundary and rob the rights of people of Pakistan to choose and express their opinion. Actually we were never given a chance to continue electing and rejecting our leaders and to roll the process for churning new leadership because of our greedy army Generals. Our civilian leaders from the beginning have paved the way for army to protect their regime and in return army after obliging them attempted never to have civilian rule again at all costs. Both are culprits but we still believe in the only fine system of governess in the world which is for the people, of the people and by the people. Why go far just peep in the neighboring country India. Their leaders are not angels and suffer with the plague of corruption too but the process of democracy in its worst form kept on progressing and was never hijacked by their "border saviors". The institutions gradually had taken their strength and still growing. It is a process, the democracy a system for which we are fighting. The prerequisite of democracy which according to you is ‘literacy’ is the natural outcome of this system and not the excuse for martial law.
Because of sustained, programmed and planned propaganda by our military dictators against the civilian elected leaders and against the power of democracy young people like you have given hope for democracy in Pakistan. Remember dictatorship or fascism only works for you as long it is favors you. Had people with your kind of approach were right the human race would never have achieved the progress or development of any sort, the examples you could get from past and present. In past all of our holy prophets from 'Moses to Mohammad P.B.U.H)' to name a few, had voiced their opinion against the tyrannical government of their times. They rebelled, stood up for their ideologies, migrated and were punished. In present also, compare the progress of nations which have enjoyed the fruits of democracy for the longest and nation like Cuba, Burma, Libya or Pakistan.... If one studies history of Pakistan and calculate the time military dictators acquired to correct the vices created by civilian elected leaders and the time given to any elected govt. for the same task (good governess), the results will speak for themselves. As far as I remember Pakistan was at its prime when Z.A Bhutto was completing his first tenure. But the moment he turned from a democratic leader to dictator, a General came along with religious parties and bulldozed his elected govt. with the promise of election in 90 days. These General have a great track record of breaking their promises and naive people like you still believe them.

Please open up your mind! If people of NWFP and Balochistan want 'Taliban' kind of government why not give them their right to choose? If people of interior Sindh and some areas of urban Sindh want to vote against ruling Musharraf’s allies, let them. How can one even think of 'freedom and fairness' with major opposition locked up inside and their supporters are curbed even to voice their support. Pakistan is not the property of Musharraf and his allies. Among millions of voters even if a single soul is against Musharraf he has a right to express his opinion or else a frustrated, oppressed, powerless person will arm himself with artillery of any kind and there will be more suicide bombings more terrorism as ‘violence only breed violence’.
In lurking darkness and surmounting depression I still found myself hoping and struggling and hoping.
“Lazim hai ke hum bhee deikhein ge, who din ke jis ka waada hai, jo lohe azal pe likha hai.”

Nikhat Riaz

Dear Salman, I agree with your opinion & writing. The media worked like a running commentary for the politicians (whenever i switch on TV i saw only one topic of “discussing politic”. People like Dr. Shahid & Talat etc! they gives nothing but despise & hopelessness. There are millions of social problems in our country but they least bother about them. They are sitting there to make greedy lawyers & corrupt judges heroes. How many Lawyers are helping poor to follow & help in their court cases? How many judges helped poor to sort out their cases at the fastest pace? Poor soul will die in making trips to court.Musharaf is the right man & he is doing the best. Atleast he is not corrupt like BB & Nawaz. Did BB says sorry what she has done to our country by her loot & plunder nor did Nawaz shaif.

Sorry I am late.
I do not have a name but suggest a methodology for Pakistanis to adopt:
Let all the aspirants for the leadership of the country walk, unprotected by the security on the main street. Those who are not stabbed or shot down, move to another major city and so on. If there is any body left he/she should become the leader.
The process can be repeated with the next lot till you find one that is not killed.
In the final analyses the Pakistanis must decide freely
Rashid

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no wonder musharaf has done much development if we compare him to baynazir or nawazsharif he has done alot.But one thing which none of the muslim can bear is he has accepted each and every order by BUSH ... that is what hurt a common pakistani a common muslim ... now there is one of my street fellow he does job with the cnn senior reporter in pakistan and he was saying that there is some signal against musharaf from america next coming days are gonna be tough for musharaf and i will appreciate him if kicks the a$$ of america and keep it as it is going because america wasn't in favour of emergency americans were willing to put baynazir as a cheifminister of pakistan ...
i will be so much delighted if musharaf goes against america atleast for once in his life

And do we take it as your inferiority complex screaming out loud when you bragged about how Indian women love handsome Paki men like you and how you used to beat up Hindu boys? Hahahaha!!

Oh I'm not annoyed by you guys at all....I'm just amazed at how much time you guys dedicate to this thing and how fanatically you enjoy what you think you are achieving. Please knock yourself out and post all you like it only serves to re-enforce my point that you guys are a bunch of losers with too much time on their hands.

BTW Jayp, I never mentioned color and didnt even think it when I wrote my post but your inferiority complex did come out in your jumping to conclusions.

Have fun piss-drinkers keep on posting!

Xyxious,

Good to see that you are annoyed with my posts. You are new to chowk and this is good old pakibashing.

You are being humiliated by the yanks, beheaded by the tribals, blasted by the jihadis and you come to chowk for some RR and you all get bashed again.

Keep coming...you have no where else to go. No TV, no phones, no news papaers...how long can you watch the same old mushy.

Sorry, we have to do our job till the mosntrocity is dead. It will be dismembered again, this time into three.

Thanks Xyxious,

The interacts on thsi board has gone for too long with out some pakistani mentioning that pakis are fairer skinned and hence superior.

That is also the basis that the pakis are slaves to the US because they have fairer coulored skin than the pakis.

Admitting that indians are better is hard for the pakis, probably the same colour complex is the reason for saluting the chinese as well. Do not forget that the lal majid happened because some of the chinese brothel operators were captured by the mullahs. Again it must the skin rule that prompted the pakis to act.

Thank you Xyxious, you are a true follower of jinnah.

He He He ... sorry zyxius... I never meant to hurt you baby.... Now.... nobody will trouble zyxius.... do you hear me... nobody !!!

#126 by Zyxius

Honest truth: when the Babri masjid was demolished in India, my friends and I all beat up almost every Hindu in school.

OK, it is now confirmed - mian Zyxius has some serious issues. He sees RAW agents under his bed, Indian women love handsome Paki men like him and he and his friends beat up Hindu boys. OK meray bhai, we all accept that you're Allah's gift to Pakistan and the Ummah. Your mom must be proud of you, no?

Very original. Bet you'll be using that for a while here.

Growing up in Dubai, I always enjoyed kicking the crap out of the Hindu kids in school. Honest truth: when the Babri masjid was demolished in India, my friends and I all beat up almost every Hindu in school. I'll bet Harish is one of those kids who had the crap kicked out of him by some our of Paki boys and now holds it against all of us for the rest of his life.

What a loser! See you man...I have some work to do now and my quota is more than done for a while. I'm sure you're going to be around for a while fighting with every one of us enemies of Ma Bharat. If you ever get tired of this and need to make a buck to get by, I can honestly hook you up with a job as a janitor in Dubai...let me know.

I'm sorry zyxius you simply can not understand what is the true meaning of nationality.
And its not your fault; you education never gave you that insight. For you it was always Inslam against the rest of the world.
Its not about Hindus and Muslims jhonny boy, its about Pakistan and India. A muslim in India will always be an Indian and will never undergo misery which your compatriots (do you understand that?)go. Look at what your fellow muslim dictator has subjected you to. He is not a hindu or is he?

#123 by Zyxius

Man, you seem to have serious issues. Get some help before it is too late. Regarding your looks, is that another of those things that you brag about to compensate for your inadequacies? Please do something about it.