Salman Aneel November 4, 2007
#1 Posted by saleemrashid on November 4, 2007 1:39:03 am
At least there is one 'silly sheep' out there that bleats while the wolf is growling about.
There's no substitute for Musharaf nor one can ever be.
Politicians are 'corrupt'! Journalists are 'traitors'! Judiciary is 'overstepping its limits'! The 'bloody civilians' are 'terrorists'! Only Musharaf is 'upright, loyal to the country, works within bounds', and 'moderately enlightened'! Only he has the 'vision'; everyone else is 'dumb'. He is above and beyond law; he is above and beyond reason. Because he holds the reigns of unhindered power.
Pakistan does not deserve Mush and yet she has to endure him!
There's no substitute for Musharaf nor one can ever be.
Politicians are 'corrupt'! Journalists are 'traitors'! Judiciary is 'overstepping its limits'! The 'bloody civilians' are 'terrorists'! Only Musharaf is 'upright, loyal to the country, works within bounds', and 'moderately enlightened'! Only he has the 'vision'; everyone else is 'dumb'. He is above and beyond law; he is above and beyond reason. Because he holds the reigns of unhindered power.
Pakistan does not deserve Mush and yet she has to endure him!
#2 Posted by jayp on November 4, 2007 2:04:06 am
Thank you Salman,
There is no other option for Mushy. The last institution of pakistan, the military is under attack. The jihadis are targeting the general who led the laal majid operation, now the airforce is under attack for using helicopter gun ships. The pak army men are deserting, they have surrendered to the jihadis and Mushy has criticised the poor souls, in waziristan the police and the local law enforcement agents have surrendered.
Mushy cannot keep quite, waiting for teh courts to to decide whether he is teh boss or not. This is the last stand by Mushy and the army. There is jihadis within, then there are nato forces on teh border waiting to bomb pakistan, there is global concern about the bomb.
Mushy is worried that the last call form Collin Powel may not come this time, and probabaly that is what teh US general who met him last week conveyed.
He had no choice, very same words he used when he took power last time.
There is no other option for Mushy. The last institution of pakistan, the military is under attack. The jihadis are targeting the general who led the laal majid operation, now the airforce is under attack for using helicopter gun ships. The pak army men are deserting, they have surrendered to the jihadis and Mushy has criticised the poor souls, in waziristan the police and the local law enforcement agents have surrendered.
Mushy cannot keep quite, waiting for teh courts to to decide whether he is teh boss or not. This is the last stand by Mushy and the army. There is jihadis within, then there are nato forces on teh border waiting to bomb pakistan, there is global concern about the bomb.
Mushy is worried that the last call form Collin Powel may not come this time, and probabaly that is what teh US general who met him last week conveyed.
He had no choice, very same words he used when he took power last time.
#3 Posted by shiza on November 4, 2007 2:22:22 am
salman...one word for ur article..TRUE..u have so easily put down our condition in these words..I, as a youth is so helpless to save my country frm drowning..y is everybody asleep..y can't our parents support us ...y not r leaders ever gather us for the rightest platform...y is everybody so corrupt ?? y r we not so clean when we analyze ourselves..we have yet not been able to sort out ourselves..it's the high time we should do something now..but we r good at nothing..we just post articles...give comments ..sit back at home for a next reply..n we think we r doing much...i pray to Allah-THE ALMIGHTY..save us GOD frm these dictators..save my country..save my people n give us the courage and strength to make our country the way it has to be..the country that our Quaid wanted..
#4 Posted by shiza on November 4, 2007 2:22:27 am
salman...one word for ur article..TRUE..u have so easily put down our condition in these words..I, as a youth is so helpless to save my country frm drowning..y is everybody asleep..y can't our parents support us ...y not r leaders ever gather us for the rightest platform...y is everybody so corrupt ?? y r we not so clean when we analyze ourselves..we have yet not been able to sort out ourselves..it's the high time we should do something now..but we r good at nothing..we just post articles...give comments ..sit back at home for a next reply..n we think we r doing much...i pray to Allah-THE ALMIGHTY..save us GOD frm these dictators..save my country..save my people n give us the courage and strength to make our country the way it has to be..the country that our Quaid wanted..
#5 Posted by majumdar on November 4, 2007 2:27:55 am
Let me give you an Injun perspective. There was a time when it was thought that the country wouldnt survive JLN's death. Then people said "India is Indira, Indira is India". Then people wondered if India could survive Rajiv's death but it did. If Pakistan can survive with someone like Mush at helm it can survive without him too.
Regards
Regards
#6 Posted by ehsankiani on November 4, 2007 2:39:38 am
Very true indeed. Why do we get to see severed heads and dying people lying in a pool of blood every day on TV. Do these images help? What of the families of the people shown? Do you see the footage of what happened on 9/11 anymore on TV? Why? This is the time to get together and stop throwing mud at each other. Stop trying to take advantage of the situation. Get together and talk about solutions. But Alas...
Thank you for such a wonderfully written article.
Ehsan
Thank you for such a wonderfully written article.
Ehsan
#7 Posted by A.H.Cemendtaur on November 4, 2007 2:58:06 am
A plan of action beyond a usual statement of condemnation
Friends of South Asia (www.friendsofsouthasia.org) is meeting on Sunday, November 4, at 6 pm at Newark City library for its Eid-Diwali program and to brainstorm on devising a strategy to deal with the present political crisis in Pakistan. Here is the first draft of a plan of action FOSA is working on and would like to discuss in the meeting.
C.
With the imposition of Emergency on November 3 General Pervez Musharraf has plunged Pakistan into terrible uncertainty. Whereas General Pervez Musharraf says he took the precarious step to save Pakistan, no one doubts the only thing Musharraf is interested in saving is his own grip on power.
We condemn Pervez Musharraf’s latest authoritarian decree and want Pakistanis and well-wishers of Pakistan to build pressure on him to take back the emergency measures. But having witnessed Pervez Musharraf’s propensity to sacrifice anything for his own personal gain we doubt if Musharraf under any cogent force would backtrack.
Considering Pakistanis desire for democracy, the recent struggle for the restoration of a Chief Justice illegally removed by the dictator, the ongoing pro-civil society debates in the erstwhile independent Pakistani media, and the pro-democracy sentiments within the Pakistan Army we wish to humbly suggest a shorter path towards restoring order in Pakistan.
In order to facilitate removal of Pervez Musharraf and to avoid further chaos in the country by keeping its institutions intact we urge Pakistanis in general and Pakistan’s political parties in particular to quickly form an interim government. The interim government and events related to its enactment should have the following features:
1. The interim government should be headed by an interim president who would hold free and fair general elections in the shortest span of time.
2. To ensure working of an independent judiciary all Supreme Court judges deposed on November 3 by Pervez Musharraf should be restored to their positions.
3. Pakistan Army should stop taking orders from Pervez Musharraf and current Vice Chief of Army Staff, General Kayani should immediately take charge of the forces. General Kayani should work under the interim president.
4. All political workers and members of legal fraternity arrested in the wake of emergency should be released.
5. All bureaucratic institutions with their current officers should keep functioning under the interim president.
We urge Pakistani political parties to quickly consent to an interim president. One choice obvious to many would be Retired Chief Justice Wajihuddin Ahmed who as a public servant not only had a spotless career, but who gained considerable public support while recently running for President against Pervez Musharraf
Till an interim government through the wishes of Pakistanis and Pakistan’s political parties takes command we ask all citizens to commence an indefinite strike starting from Monday, November 5.
Friends of South Asia (www.friendsofsouthasia.org) is meeting on Sunday, November 4, at 6 pm at Newark City library for its Eid-Diwali program and to brainstorm on devising a strategy to deal with the present political crisis in Pakistan. Here is the first draft of a plan of action FOSA is working on and would like to discuss in the meeting.
C.
With the imposition of Emergency on November 3 General Pervez Musharraf has plunged Pakistan into terrible uncertainty. Whereas General Pervez Musharraf says he took the precarious step to save Pakistan, no one doubts the only thing Musharraf is interested in saving is his own grip on power.
We condemn Pervez Musharraf’s latest authoritarian decree and want Pakistanis and well-wishers of Pakistan to build pressure on him to take back the emergency measures. But having witnessed Pervez Musharraf’s propensity to sacrifice anything for his own personal gain we doubt if Musharraf under any cogent force would backtrack.
Considering Pakistanis desire for democracy, the recent struggle for the restoration of a Chief Justice illegally removed by the dictator, the ongoing pro-civil society debates in the erstwhile independent Pakistani media, and the pro-democracy sentiments within the Pakistan Army we wish to humbly suggest a shorter path towards restoring order in Pakistan.
In order to facilitate removal of Pervez Musharraf and to avoid further chaos in the country by keeping its institutions intact we urge Pakistanis in general and Pakistan’s political parties in particular to quickly form an interim government. The interim government and events related to its enactment should have the following features:
1. The interim government should be headed by an interim president who would hold free and fair general elections in the shortest span of time.
2. To ensure working of an independent judiciary all Supreme Court judges deposed on November 3 by Pervez Musharraf should be restored to their positions.
3. Pakistan Army should stop taking orders from Pervez Musharraf and current Vice Chief of Army Staff, General Kayani should immediately take charge of the forces. General Kayani should work under the interim president.
4. All political workers and members of legal fraternity arrested in the wake of emergency should be released.
5. All bureaucratic institutions with their current officers should keep functioning under the interim president.
We urge Pakistani political parties to quickly consent to an interim president. One choice obvious to many would be Retired Chief Justice Wajihuddin Ahmed who as a public servant not only had a spotless career, but who gained considerable public support while recently running for President against Pervez Musharraf
Till an interim government through the wishes of Pakistanis and Pakistan’s political parties takes command we ask all citizens to commence an indefinite strike starting from Monday, November 5.
#8 Posted by laddu on November 4, 2007 3:01:51 am
Salman,
Why should not every one throw stone at the so called sinner.??
That is what Pakistan made for - a land of pure Sunnis where every momeen must strive to monitor every one else's sinful ways!!!
Every one is an Allah's warrior. Jihad is what is taught to you in state sponsored courses. "Shahadat" is important and every kid must make speeches about it in order to be a good Pakistani citizen.
Hindus are Najis. Idolators are to be killed. Kafirs and jews to be made dhimmis. Jizya must be paid by zimmis in order to survive.
A mard-e-momeen is the supreme ideal of Pakistan.
Finally, Pakistan is the light of ummah- the best and most powerful nuclear momeen state that will finally vanquish the idolator land of hind!!!
This ideology is my dear boy the cause of PAkistan's fate!!!
What you sow is what you reap - either in this world or in the world nether - no intercession works for being a momeen!!
Why should not every one throw stone at the so called sinner.??
That is what Pakistan made for - a land of pure Sunnis where every momeen must strive to monitor every one else's sinful ways!!!
Every one is an Allah's warrior. Jihad is what is taught to you in state sponsored courses. "Shahadat" is important and every kid must make speeches about it in order to be a good Pakistani citizen.
Hindus are Najis. Idolators are to be killed. Kafirs and jews to be made dhimmis. Jizya must be paid by zimmis in order to survive.
A mard-e-momeen is the supreme ideal of Pakistan.
Finally, Pakistan is the light of ummah- the best and most powerful nuclear momeen state that will finally vanquish the idolator land of hind!!!
This ideology is my dear boy the cause of PAkistan's fate!!!
What you sow is what you reap - either in this world or in the world nether - no intercession works for being a momeen!!
#9 Posted by zeemax on November 4, 2007 4:02:15 am
Yeah this is the 'aakhri mukka' which your idol musharraf had threatened with. And you, being a simpleton, believe he did it because he's the only one who is capable of running that country.
Actually, he has just widened the gulf between people and administration to unbridgeable dimensions, and put Pakistan on the path of civil unrest which will be impossible to control. The result will be anarchy and bloodshed and ultimately the end of the federation of Pakistan as we know it.
Actually, he has just widened the gulf between people and administration to unbridgeable dimensions, and put Pakistan on the path of civil unrest which will be impossible to control. The result will be anarchy and bloodshed and ultimately the end of the federation of Pakistan as we know it.
#10 Posted by hamidm2 on November 4, 2007 4:55:56 am
Re: # 9
zeemax,
.... oh, please! ..... stop being so melodramatic ..... the people of pakistan - those who really matter, not the unwashed savages of swat and waziristan - are busy with the wedding season and couldn't care less who is in the presidency ........ most pakis are a herd of sheep and the jihadis are busy chasing real sheep .... nothing is going to happen until the wedding season is over and by that time musharraf will have his new hung parliament and civy government .......
....... but there could be a silver lining to this cloud ... maybe, just maybe, mushy will use this period to send all those who love al-lah more than their fellow man to play with their seventy virgins in jahanum ........ hoefully, when the dust settles sheep and kohl-eyed boys will be safe in pakistan ..... can't blame a guy for dreaming ...
zeemax,
.... oh, please! ..... stop being so melodramatic ..... the people of pakistan - those who really matter, not the unwashed savages of swat and waziristan - are busy with the wedding season and couldn't care less who is in the presidency ........ most pakis are a herd of sheep and the jihadis are busy chasing real sheep .... nothing is going to happen until the wedding season is over and by that time musharraf will have his new hung parliament and civy government .......
....... but there could be a silver lining to this cloud ... maybe, just maybe, mushy will use this period to send all those who love al-lah more than their fellow man to play with their seventy virgins in jahanum ........ hoefully, when the dust settles sheep and kohl-eyed boys will be safe in pakistan ..... can't blame a guy for dreaming ...
#11 Posted by zeemax on November 4, 2007 5:12:11 am
#10 Posted by hamidm2,
Yes I agree with the wedding season ... but tell me, re what you say "maybe, mushy will use this period to send all those .. in jahanum ..."
What more do you think musharraf can do now which he hasn't already been doing?
Yes I agree with the wedding season ... but tell me, re what you say "maybe, mushy will use this period to send all those .. in jahanum ..."
What more do you think musharraf can do now which he hasn't already been doing?
#12 Posted by freethinker on November 4, 2007 5:36:35 am
According to BBC News, Pakistan (November 4, 2007):
For one woman, this was a welcome change.
"Its strangely quiet and peaceful today, although I thought emergency was a bad thing," she said.
But how long will this quiet and peace endure? If emergency rule is bad so has been the political rule in Pakistan. We can play the blame game as long as we like but the true quandry in which Pakistan is trapped is that there is a scarcity of honest leaders. Nawaz Sharif and Bhutto had their chance to establish the rule of law in the country but they squandered it for selfish and unlawful gains. Who is there on the political scene after them. The Jihadis and mullahs can only create chaos and lawlessness but they can not salvage the country. They are rabble rousers; whenever they get an opportunity they declare "Islam is in danger."
If, for the sake of argument, Musharraf succeeds in putting the Genie back in the bottle, who is there after him? If he is not removed by violence, he is destined to die a natural death in due time. Who is there after him? Another General! Or, another BeNazir or Nawaz Sharif!
It is better to give the governance of this country on contract to some external secular country for a time and allow some healthy institutions to take root in the meantime. Or, better still, invite the United Nations to govern the country.
Mohammad Gill
For one woman, this was a welcome change.
"Its strangely quiet and peaceful today, although I thought emergency was a bad thing," she said.
But how long will this quiet and peace endure? If emergency rule is bad so has been the political rule in Pakistan. We can play the blame game as long as we like but the true quandry in which Pakistan is trapped is that there is a scarcity of honest leaders. Nawaz Sharif and Bhutto had their chance to establish the rule of law in the country but they squandered it for selfish and unlawful gains. Who is there on the political scene after them. The Jihadis and mullahs can only create chaos and lawlessness but they can not salvage the country. They are rabble rousers; whenever they get an opportunity they declare "Islam is in danger."
If, for the sake of argument, Musharraf succeeds in putting the Genie back in the bottle, who is there after him? If he is not removed by violence, he is destined to die a natural death in due time. Who is there after him? Another General! Or, another BeNazir or Nawaz Sharif!
It is better to give the governance of this country on contract to some external secular country for a time and allow some healthy institutions to take root in the meantime. Or, better still, invite the United Nations to govern the country.
Mohammad Gill
#13 Posted by CreateAlpha on November 4, 2007 5:48:14 am
Nothing is gonna happen. As long as the landed gentry is busy applying Vicco Turmeric ayurvedic cream this winter...life is ok. Mush is ok..and things are just dandy!!
#14 Posted by ahmedmadani on November 4, 2007 5:48:15 am
Good article by person sitting in NYork as he has global vision and good understanding world overview.
Unfair comment about intelluct of Quaid.
"Quaid-e- Azam never thought Pakistan would be in such a bad shape where the key institutions will be at war. We will kill our own brothers and then blame the foreign elements. Do you feel safe as you move on the streets of Lahore, Islamabad and Karachi, major cities? Terrorist attacks have become a part of our life. Newspapers seem so empty without the news of suicide bombing. We have become so callous and stone heart.".
QUaid said openly we are going to get worst govt as we go , a prophetic projection.
I think India and China are matured nations and they gave proper comments specially when we at war with first country for last 61 years.
Only future will decide if there is substitute. Situation was grave, terror group killed over 150 people in largest city and business suffered for noxt weet billons of rupees lost and poor suffered. Baloachistan war is going under ground and the terror group is blasting gas pipelines, rail and electric towers on regular basis it has become sports for terror. China is worried about big G and chinese supreme leader cancelled his trip to big G inauguration of Port and flagging giant bulk dry good carrier. So b.stan is more than 50% land mass controlled by terror group determined to attack National assets and driving dangerous ideas of owning oil and gas by Baloachis etc when these are assets of all pakistanis. W.Stan is lost now for short time till army regroups and employs those 31 helocopter gunships and adds strategic mobility against terror. I do not know what general can do more. He is surrounded by wrong advisors many of whom can not get get elected. America will tolerate any thing but will not tolerare disruption of its life line to A.Stan the food, all war material and petrol to energise its huge modern state of art war machines including pilotless airmachines which take out terrorist fast. A.Hussain is grived and but he has called for understanding of situation. He is best dictector the country got he is most progressive, modern , good orator , general with great war experience( he has got medals for bravery) allowing freedom of internet, great port builder but he is unfortunate man and lonely. Barrister mr. Pirzaddah has given him good advice and he could have shot lots of civilian trouble makers but he just put them under house arrest. Now people have become bad like Imran ran away what is that, it defiance of authority. I feel he has done good but he is surrounded by lame brain advisors and now he is not sure footed when he led 1st coup against corroupt PM who tried to kill him. He can give all to Lt General Kayani a s Ayub did, we do not deserve this good brave man we deserve Zia to whip us. People are ungrateful and I think he can retire to Karachi and Sindh and have peaceful life. His problem is he does not want to become populist and and get praise from worthless ungrateful. Now many rats are blaming him and abanding ship like rats jumpiing in water in sea. It turbulent waters China and india wants to push all goods they can to Pakistan and demise industry and when storm is hitting and in nortwest the ENEMY IS AT GGATES and that time changing and undercutting commmonder in chief is not stupid but suicidal but give him ten years he can fix things. It is so bad can resemble only to NS backtracking and stabbing army when Kashmir was almost in hands in kargil, or in 1965 pakistani army was about to capture Akhunur commonder was replaced by drunk general Y though he deserves for 1st real election in history of nation when opposition was allowed to vote and he was blamed for proper election. He was not as bad as others. Now stock will suffer and we all will loose who have stocks other poor people do not care what happens to KSE they have nothing to loose. Let hope General do what ever he does but hope he will keep his theme in mind modern moderate islamic republic and strong KSE and subse pahali Pakistan. Feel its time to let general Kayani take over as president and with clean slate.
Unfair comment about intelluct of Quaid.
"Quaid-e- Azam never thought Pakistan would be in such a bad shape where the key institutions will be at war. We will kill our own brothers and then blame the foreign elements. Do you feel safe as you move on the streets of Lahore, Islamabad and Karachi, major cities? Terrorist attacks have become a part of our life. Newspapers seem so empty without the news of suicide bombing. We have become so callous and stone heart.".
QUaid said openly we are going to get worst govt as we go , a prophetic projection.
I think India and China are matured nations and they gave proper comments specially when we at war with first country for last 61 years.
Only future will decide if there is substitute. Situation was grave, terror group killed over 150 people in largest city and business suffered for noxt weet billons of rupees lost and poor suffered. Baloachistan war is going under ground and the terror group is blasting gas pipelines, rail and electric towers on regular basis it has become sports for terror. China is worried about big G and chinese supreme leader cancelled his trip to big G inauguration of Port and flagging giant bulk dry good carrier. So b.stan is more than 50% land mass controlled by terror group determined to attack National assets and driving dangerous ideas of owning oil and gas by Baloachis etc when these are assets of all pakistanis. W.Stan is lost now for short time till army regroups and employs those 31 helocopter gunships and adds strategic mobility against terror. I do not know what general can do more. He is surrounded by wrong advisors many of whom can not get get elected. America will tolerate any thing but will not tolerare disruption of its life line to A.Stan the food, all war material and petrol to energise its huge modern state of art war machines including pilotless airmachines which take out terrorist fast. A.Hussain is grived and but he has called for understanding of situation. He is best dictector the country got he is most progressive, modern , good orator , general with great war experience( he has got medals for bravery) allowing freedom of internet, great port builder but he is unfortunate man and lonely. Barrister mr. Pirzaddah has given him good advice and he could have shot lots of civilian trouble makers but he just put them under house arrest. Now people have become bad like Imran ran away what is that, it defiance of authority. I feel he has done good but he is surrounded by lame brain advisors and now he is not sure footed when he led 1st coup against corroupt PM who tried to kill him. He can give all to Lt General Kayani a s Ayub did, we do not deserve this good brave man we deserve Zia to whip us. People are ungrateful and I think he can retire to Karachi and Sindh and have peaceful life. His problem is he does not want to become populist and and get praise from worthless ungrateful. Now many rats are blaming him and abanding ship like rats jumpiing in water in sea. It turbulent waters China and india wants to push all goods they can to Pakistan and demise industry and when storm is hitting and in nortwest the ENEMY IS AT GGATES and that time changing and undercutting commmonder in chief is not stupid but suicidal but give him ten years he can fix things. It is so bad can resemble only to NS backtracking and stabbing army when Kashmir was almost in hands in kargil, or in 1965 pakistani army was about to capture Akhunur commonder was replaced by drunk general Y though he deserves for 1st real election in history of nation when opposition was allowed to vote and he was blamed for proper election. He was not as bad as others. Now stock will suffer and we all will loose who have stocks other poor people do not care what happens to KSE they have nothing to loose. Let hope General do what ever he does but hope he will keep his theme in mind modern moderate islamic republic and strong KSE and subse pahali Pakistan. Feel its time to let general Kayani take over as president and with clean slate.
#15 Posted by bjkumar on November 4, 2007 6:31:25 am
Ama Salman,
The idea is not to invent politicians who are paragons of virtue who would lead Pakistanis to green pasteurs that the Jinnah promised. (Such an invention would be a first and well-deserving of a Nobel prize for Pakistan.) The idea is to allow the political process to take place, to let the politicians mature and most importantly, enable the grassroots as their support. The idea is - yes, the politicians (like anybody else) need to have controls on them but the controls should be through the will and exercise of the will of the masses - not by the whims of a bunch of men in khaki, who, in the final analysis - are every bit as susceptible to corruptions of power as anybody else but feel far less accountability.
What Mushy has done is one of the most cowardly things that any Pakistani khaki has ever done. And it is dishonest for the khakis to project themselves as saviors - the record is quite clear that they only try to save their own little asses!
The khaki mafia has dropped its pretenses for the moment, that's all!
The world does not know whether it should denounce in vain or it should avert eyes out of resignation at this repeat performance of the familiar nanga naach routine. Both the exercises appear futile.
The idea is not to invent politicians who are paragons of virtue who would lead Pakistanis to green pasteurs that the Jinnah promised. (Such an invention would be a first and well-deserving of a Nobel prize for Pakistan.) The idea is to allow the political process to take place, to let the politicians mature and most importantly, enable the grassroots as their support. The idea is - yes, the politicians (like anybody else) need to have controls on them but the controls should be through the will and exercise of the will of the masses - not by the whims of a bunch of men in khaki, who, in the final analysis - are every bit as susceptible to corruptions of power as anybody else but feel far less accountability.
What Mushy has done is one of the most cowardly things that any Pakistani khaki has ever done. And it is dishonest for the khakis to project themselves as saviors - the record is quite clear that they only try to save their own little asses!
The khaki mafia has dropped its pretenses for the moment, that's all!
The world does not know whether it should denounce in vain or it should avert eyes out of resignation at this repeat performance of the familiar nanga naach routine. Both the exercises appear futile.
#16 Posted by bubba on November 4, 2007 8:19:22 am
Totally useless rhetoric written by a mohajir supporting the great mobster from Karachi that Pakistan had ever seen. Chowkies should not fall for his crocodile tears.
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