Ammar Rashid November 4, 2007
#97 Posted by anil on November 5, 2007 5:07:55 pm
Re: # 95
Tahmed Sahib:
Have you ever considered that Musharraff is playing very smartly. Consider this:
(a) He had to declare the emergency and avoid the legal judgment against him that would foreclose all options of Civilian-Army partnership.
(b) desolve current assemblies and parliaments on time.
(c) Hold free and fair elections as per the schedule.
(d) Let newly elected, elect him as the President.
The partnership is thus intact.
Cues are plenty: - Benazir leaves for Dubai, Rushes back, and she was not arrested, while others have been. His speech honestly says that alternative would be suicide for Pakistan, many will agree if his ouster creates chaos and instability. On the first working day, Bush tells him "Take My Advise", but aid will continue and praises Pakistan's cooperation in fighting terrorism. A minister and chief minister say elections will be held on schedule.
You must watch how cards are being played. Isolated move does not tell the complete story.
Tahmed Sahib:
Have you ever considered that Musharraff is playing very smartly. Consider this:
(a) He had to declare the emergency and avoid the legal judgment against him that would foreclose all options of Civilian-Army partnership.
(b) desolve current assemblies and parliaments on time.
(c) Hold free and fair elections as per the schedule.
(d) Let newly elected, elect him as the President.
The partnership is thus intact.
Cues are plenty: - Benazir leaves for Dubai, Rushes back, and she was not arrested, while others have been. His speech honestly says that alternative would be suicide for Pakistan, many will agree if his ouster creates chaos and instability. On the first working day, Bush tells him "Take My Advise", but aid will continue and praises Pakistan's cooperation in fighting terrorism. A minister and chief minister say elections will be held on schedule.
You must watch how cards are being played. Isolated move does not tell the complete story.
#96 Posted by VRV on November 5, 2007 3:22:14 pm
Thsi article abt Imran Khan as if he's the unsung politician-hero of Pakistan. Cant agree.
It's reported that he escaped house arrest in Lahore. Unless he's organising a rebelion againt Mush, this escape shows his true nature (similar to Maulana Aziz of Lal Masjid fame).
Leaders who suffered in the name of struggle became heros. We have Gandhi, Mandela and many domestic leaders who suffered long spells of arrest.
Contrary to what's thought abt Imran Khan, he's a timid fellow who ran away from house arrest (the above opinion cud change if he truly organises rebellion againt Mush; since the purpose of his escape is unknown, I wish to brand him as a coward).
It's reported that he escaped house arrest in Lahore. Unless he's organising a rebelion againt Mush, this escape shows his true nature (similar to Maulana Aziz of Lal Masjid fame).
Leaders who suffered in the name of struggle became heros. We have Gandhi, Mandela and many domestic leaders who suffered long spells of arrest.
Contrary to what's thought abt Imran Khan, he's a timid fellow who ran away from house arrest (the above opinion cud change if he truly organises rebellion againt Mush; since the purpose of his escape is unknown, I wish to brand him as a coward).
#95 Posted by tahmed32 on November 5, 2007 2:53:30 pm
dullabhatti: that sums it up. i have heard talk of a mush mansion in texas built in anticipation of his hijrat with a part of this aithyeani. but what do i know...more knowledgeable people like romair would know better.
#94 Posted by dullabhatti on November 5, 2007 1:30:39 pm
hamdim saab,
once chaudhary Ghanimat of our village went to see mela ChiragaN in Lahore...he had heard lot about the mela so he loaned an aTheyaani from Lala Mehar Chand's shop in the village, put some rice soup on his turban and headed for Lahore.
it was his first time in Lahore and Mela chiraagaN...poor Ghaama was very impressed by the lights, dhols and the crowds. While he was walking in the mela rubbing shoulders with other melis, someone cut his pocket and stole his aTheyaani. When he was buying jalebis at the halwai's shop he found out that his pocket has been picked..he got very shocked, depressed and angry and left for his village without eating anything, buying anything or enjoying any panghooRha rides. he felt cheapted and violated.
when he was entering the village, Mullah Ghulam rasul met him first.
mullah asked him "how was the mela chaudhary ghanimat?"
Ghaama answered angrily "mela moola kaahda si, bhainchodaN sara adambar meri aTheyani luttan lai keeta si" (what mela...bhaincho whole mela was set up to rob me off my atheyaani).
so this whole Marshal law thingie by Mush is a conspiracy to rob you guys of your aTheyaani. don't pay too much heed to the lights and sounds of this Musharaffi mela.
once chaudhary Ghanimat of our village went to see mela ChiragaN in Lahore...he had heard lot about the mela so he loaned an aTheyaani from Lala Mehar Chand's shop in the village, put some rice soup on his turban and headed for Lahore.
it was his first time in Lahore and Mela chiraagaN...poor Ghaama was very impressed by the lights, dhols and the crowds. While he was walking in the mela rubbing shoulders with other melis, someone cut his pocket and stole his aTheyaani. When he was buying jalebis at the halwai's shop he found out that his pocket has been picked..he got very shocked, depressed and angry and left for his village without eating anything, buying anything or enjoying any panghooRha rides. he felt cheapted and violated.
when he was entering the village, Mullah Ghulam rasul met him first.
mullah asked him "how was the mela chaudhary ghanimat?"
Ghaama answered angrily "mela moola kaahda si, bhainchodaN sara adambar meri aTheyani luttan lai keeta si" (what mela...bhaincho whole mela was set up to rob me off my atheyaani).
so this whole Marshal law thingie by Mush is a conspiracy to rob you guys of your aTheyaani. don't pay too much heed to the lights and sounds of this Musharaffi mela.
#93 Posted by Dash_Dot on November 5, 2007 1:03:07 pm
Re: # 92 ".... there is something wrong with this picture"
Hamidm2, quick get that MS-Office-PPT going. A few quick slides and a decent presentation, and they will get the idea. The only thing missing is your input! ;-()
Hamidm2, quick get that MS-Office-PPT going. A few quick slides and a decent presentation, and they will get the idea. The only thing missing is your input! ;-()
#92 Posted by hamidm2 on November 5, 2007 12:57:50 pm
why are they going after asma jehangir instead dropping very small nukes on the savages in waziristan and swat
..... that's what i don't like about this whole sordid affair ... i was hopeful that once the emergency was lifted in a couple of weeks or months, there wouldn't be a single jihaid left to threaten sheep and madrassa boys ...... so why are they beating up on lallu lawyers and octagenarian professors instead of wild-eyed jihadis ???
.... there is something wrong with this picture
#91 Posted by wd40xps on November 5, 2007 12:50:43 pm
Reading the full text of Musharraf's address to the nation, one cannot help but sympathise with the president and give full support to him from saving Pakistan from its self destruction.
He may have violated the constitution. So what? Where is the greater good under the present circumstances? The opposition fuels fire for their own selfish gains.
The justice department is not at fault if it declares Musharraf's election unconstitutional. We must raise our hats to the Supreme Court of Pakistan. At the same time the president is not at fault to declare the state of emergency to keep the crisis under control.
One must under the present circumstances look at the broader picture for the good of the country. What Musharraf cannot do as a president with the joint responsibility of the chief of the armed forces, that any of your past elected prime ministers or the ones vying for this job can do? Has he not brought Pakistan to prosperity? Has he not elevated Pakistan to a near superpower? What are the accomplishments of your previous prime ministers and presidents? Do they not pale in comparison to what Musharraf has done for Pakistan?
So what if he continues to be the president under the current deteriorating state of affairs? Can the opposition not wait for few more months/years to grab power? What plans do they have to bring peace and prosperity to Pakistan? I am sure Musharraf will listen to them.
People of Pakistan, wake up. And remember since 1947 when you got your independence, for how many years you had real democracy in Pakistan. You have to learn to be democratic to enjoy democracy.
Laton k bhoot baton se nahih maantay.
What Musharraf did was totally right under the present circumstances. Have patience. He does not care to give up his presidency. He does care for you and your nation.
Is there any body more qualified than him to lead you under these difficult times of unrest and terrorism? Bear with him. Look at your history since your independence, and learn something from it. Don't be a lakir k fakir in interpreting the the legality of his position. See what's good for your country.
President Musharraf, my warmest regards to you. And may Allah help you in preserving peace and sanity in Pakistan, even though you may intend to violate constitution, temporarily.
May Allah bless you!
He may have violated the constitution. So what? Where is the greater good under the present circumstances? The opposition fuels fire for their own selfish gains.
The justice department is not at fault if it declares Musharraf's election unconstitutional. We must raise our hats to the Supreme Court of Pakistan. At the same time the president is not at fault to declare the state of emergency to keep the crisis under control.
One must under the present circumstances look at the broader picture for the good of the country. What Musharraf cannot do as a president with the joint responsibility of the chief of the armed forces, that any of your past elected prime ministers or the ones vying for this job can do? Has he not brought Pakistan to prosperity? Has he not elevated Pakistan to a near superpower? What are the accomplishments of your previous prime ministers and presidents? Do they not pale in comparison to what Musharraf has done for Pakistan?
So what if he continues to be the president under the current deteriorating state of affairs? Can the opposition not wait for few more months/years to grab power? What plans do they have to bring peace and prosperity to Pakistan? I am sure Musharraf will listen to them.
People of Pakistan, wake up. And remember since 1947 when you got your independence, for how many years you had real democracy in Pakistan. You have to learn to be democratic to enjoy democracy.
Laton k bhoot baton se nahih maantay.
What Musharraf did was totally right under the present circumstances. Have patience. He does not care to give up his presidency. He does care for you and your nation.
Is there any body more qualified than him to lead you under these difficult times of unrest and terrorism? Bear with him. Look at your history since your independence, and learn something from it. Don't be a lakir k fakir in interpreting the the legality of his position. See what's good for your country.
President Musharraf, my warmest regards to you. And may Allah help you in preserving peace and sanity in Pakistan, even though you may intend to violate constitution, temporarily.
May Allah bless you!
#89 Posted by zeemax on November 5, 2007 12:12:49 pm
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#88 Posted by nanjil on November 5, 2007 11:34:25 am
The analysis in atime.com puts musharaf at the top; it sounds credible
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/IK06Df02.html
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/IK06Df02.html
#87 Posted by hamidm2 on November 5, 2007 11:13:38 am
Emergency Withdrawn, Constitution Restored
ISLAMABAD Nov 16, 2007. President Mr. Pervez Musharraf announced that the Mickey Mouse emergency has been withdrawn and the constitution has been restored.
The caretaker Prime Minister Mr. Amin Fahim announced that all lawyers and their tabalchis will be released immediately and those whith head wounds will be provided with free bandages by the government. However, on the request of the US Elite and the little green men from Mars, the government has refused to release the man known as Mad Masadi. "We need to protect the children", the PM said.
#86 Posted by hamidm2 on November 5, 2007 11:13:12 am
Emergency Withdrawn, Constitution Restored
ISLAMABAD Nov 16, 2007. President Mr. Pervez Musharraf announced that the Mickey Mouse emergency has been withdrawn and the constitution has been restored.
The caretaker Prime Minister Mr. Amin Fahim announced that all lawyers and their tabalchis will be released immediately and those whith head wounds will be provided with free bandages by the government. However, on the request of the US Elite and the little green men from Mars, the government has refused to release the man known as Mad Masadi. "We need to protect the children", the PM said.
#85 Posted by scorp_afghan on November 5, 2007 10:29:05 am
AND
" WAQT AGAYA HAI K HUM FAISLA KARAY, ISS MULK PAY RAAJ KARAYGI TOA KHALQ-E-KHUDA KARAYGI JO TUM BHI HO AUR HUM
BHI HAI "
" WAQT AGAYA HAI K HUM FAISLA KARAY, ISS MULK PAY RAAJ KARAYGI TOA KHALQ-E-KHUDA KARAYGI JO TUM BHI HO AUR HUM
BHI HAI "
#84 Posted by scorp_afghan on November 5, 2007 10:21:24 am
Totally agree with Imran Khan.
Imran Khan - the only hope for sane leadership.
Imran Khan - the only hope for sane leadership.
#83 Posted by RMor on November 5, 2007 9:55:34 am
Pakistan’s largest religious party Jamaat-e-Islami reported that more than 500 of its workers and supporters had been detained since Sunday, including its leader, according to senior members of the party and police.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21609019/
GO MUSHARAF!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21609019/
GO MUSHARAF!
#82 Posted by Dash_Dot on November 5, 2007 9:47:34 am
masadi, your connection of the various dots, and your use of words makes a rather persuasive case and a great picture.
But nothing is ever closed.
There must others, in pakistan, who have also reached this conclusion, but they seem to be playing along with the theme (you just painted). Surely there must something else afoot here.
But why would the US want the Khyber? (ref #79). They can do without it.
But nothing is ever closed.
There must others, in pakistan, who have also reached this conclusion, but they seem to be playing along with the theme (you just painted). Surely there must something else afoot here.
But why would the US want the Khyber? (ref #79). They can do without it.
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