Religiosity, National Ethos and Governance

To the author:

It might be helpful if you add a healthy summary of the important ideas up front.
Reading through such a long piece is not
every one's cup of tea.

Hamidm,

#57, "........ a religious bigot by any name is just as foul ..... anyone who proposes the implementation of barbaric seventh century laws and the establishment of a government based on the model of the abominable four is a jihadi ........ the disguise of scholarship does not hide the suicide belt"

How incredibly closed minded....you my friend are the extremist who wishes to impose his way of life on others. If a maulana did that, he may be taken out with a gunship....I honestly believe that so should people who take the secular position that you do. Its only fair that extremists on both sides should be taken out with equal vigor.

Laddu...you keep talking a lot of crap without any purpose....so if you want to know how a piss drinker like you would fit into society...come meet me somewhere in Karachi and I will give you a full 1 hour lesson.

If one were to picture an equally narrow minded stereotype about the secularists of Pakistan one would likely describe them as a bunch of weak sissies who probably went to grammar school and belong to the society in which everyone has screwed everyone else's mother, sister, daughter and aunt. A slut society by any other name is just as bad! How is that for narrow minded Hameed? It goes both ways, so I suggest you try to be a bit more fair to the majority around you rather than make broadly sweeping comments from your lofty position of "enlightenment".

#60 Posted by laddu

... an idolator like me who loves his "Buta-Paraste" become the Khalifa of you momeen land???.......

No Laddu-Ji, but we will surely make you a head-less 'pateela' and plant a 'Buta' in it.

Zeemax writes "#49 Posted by masadi,

I disagree completely. One to two million people don't die in war for someone else's cause. They die for their own cause."

They might have a cause planted in their head by motivational support, the dynamic of the war and war supplies (all provided by the devil, the US elite). They died chasing a lie, for the benefit of the Americans and they butchered each other for the same lie- if they were educated enought to ponder and understand the Quran, not only would they have avoided being manipulated by both powers, they would have avoided the unnecessary casualties...Instead of drumming some sense in those fools you want to join their ranks which is a big disservice to Islam...

Zyxius writes "and belong to the society in which everyone has screwed everyone else's mother, sister, daughter and aunt. A slut society by any other name is just as bad..."

It is the mullah's hallmark not only to make a damn fool of himself because he or she has half baked knowledge, but their tendency to reduce all morality to things sexual shows that not only do they not have any understanding of the dimensions of morality- for them butchering someone is of lesser significance than a woman's ankles being bare, godforbid. These narrow minded fools are what humanity needs to stay clear of, their provincialism is a disease and their lack of knowledge of things social and scientific an outrage against Islam and God....

Masadi sahib,

Re: 69

You cant blame the Afghans for fighting for their liberty, can you? No country ought to be occupied by or occupying another country. Or do you justify Russian occupation of A'stan just because Russia was a commie country?

Regards

#70...masadi...take a deep breath, a cool glass of water, your medication, and reading the full context of the discussion before taking a small clipping of my post to distort what is being said. Be a little more fair than that and for god's sake...chill out.

"This is not a battle for the soul of Pakistan, or to slay the dragon of extremism, as our foreign godfathers wish us to believe so that the more readily we jump to their commands and do their bidding. This is a fight for American interests in Afghanistan and we are only performing the role of unwilling mercenaries, hardly the higher purpose of an army whose motto is ‘jihad in the name of Allah’."

The above is ayaz amir from dawn.

This is a clear indication that the pak army will not fight the jihadis of NWFP, the jiahdic army cannot fight the jihadis and the pak soldiers are abandoning their posts in droves.

It is time for teh B52s to come in and the US belives that benazir is going to give a wink and a nod.

It is clear that it is all quite in teh western front, and the emergency was to save the pak army from the jihadis.

Jinnah where are you. The contry created for islam, the leader mushy is talking not only to Bush, he is pleading with the US politicians. Benazir is asking the US to kick out mushy. Now even navaz is talking to the US leaders to do something about pakistan, What a pathetic sight, the leaders of all hues of a country created for islam is pleading with the sata to save the muslim country.

Jinnah, this what you created , wake up and shoot yourself.

Re: # 62

tahmed,

.... i am not saying everything is fine .... it is time for musharraf and his goons in khaki to go, but i don't think abdul paki is gong to make it happen ...... i doubt more that a couple of hundred people will show up for bb's jalsa in rawalpindi and if she can't do it nobody else can ....... we have to depend on mushy's goodwill to grant us democracy - the people are a bunch of clowns lead by jokers ....... and i don't blame them - it is hard to worry about the constitution when you can't get two square meals a day .....

...... everyone wants to jump on the lawyers bandwagon but i don't think it is big enough ....... as for 'civil society', the aunties with blonde hair won't miss an appointment with thir haidresser just to go on a long march ......... as the koran says, "verily, we are screwed!"

tahmed,

..... one more thing ...i will eat my hat if 'the people' and the political jokers can make musharraf go away .......... heck, i will go out, buy a hat and then eat it ! .......... and you know what? i hope you are right ..

Re: # 66

zyxius,

..... sorry, but i just don't trust people who push a totalitarian ideology ..... remember chamberlain who trusted hitler? ....and the poor people of mecca who trusted the ruler of medina ?

hamidm #76 Let us then hope you find a nice, edible, low-cholestrol high fiber hat to eat three months down the road. :-)

No doubt the situation in Pakistan has hardly ever been more serious. We are truly stuck between a rock and a hard place with the devil to one side and the deep blue sea to the other (I hope Romair appreciates my miserable attempt here at mixing metaphors up to his standard here). FF posts were falling in Swat yesterday due to soldiers refusing to fight their own, while musharraf was busy putting lawyers in jail in Islamabad and Lahore.

And forget about blonde haired aunties in Islamabad - I heard suit wearing gray-haired uncles growling like gray wolves yesterday.

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Re: # 68

"No Laddu-Ji, but we will surely make you a head-less 'pateela' and plant a 'Buta' in it."

In short it is some thing that no idolator or non muslim should think about.

The truth is that in a mullah's fantasy land the non muslims can not exist at all!!!