We the Silent Majority and the Muslim Fanatics

Many keep quoting the LTTE suicide bombers and the jihadis as similar. There is a world of difference. LTTE is seeking a political solution, while the jihadis have a notion of muslim world and an ultimate kilafat covering all of the muslims. Muslims do not believe in nation states, the believe in muslim world. They do not have a political arm and a suicide arm for the movement. Then again, the perception of muslim oppression is merely of a religious nature, in india because hindus are in majority, it is oppression. Every where, whether in the UK or in Netherlands, muslims are oppressed, more than mulsims in saudi or pakistan or in any other muslim country. That is why the UK born and brought up muslims come to pakistan trained as jihadis and bomb the london buses.

Take the case of 9/11, the suadis who did it had nothing to do with the palestinians or any other so called oppressed muslims. Jihad by its very nature believes in the killing of the kafirs, loosely defined by the relevant mullah, it is seeking of a personal heaven.

Take the case of pakistan, they created so many jihadis for the sake of killing the kafirs in india, but it is the very same jihadis who are bombing the muslims of pakistan, because some mullah ordered them to do that. Muslim terrorism is wanton, there is larger vision, just kill...kill.

Author,

Hindus have been burning widows with their husbands for thousands of years. That too was considered honour-kill and only recently the custom seems to have gone out of fashion.

err ... actually now the husband doesn't have to die first ... hinuds burn the brides anyway :-)

#2 by smellthecoffee

Zee bhai, only in India, whether voluntary or involuntary bride burning is a criminal offense :-)

#2 I think it started after the invaders from cenral asia and rabia started taking away the women....but you already know about this.....anyway carry on....

#4 should have been directed towars the author.

#3 Posted by harish_hyd,

So is beheading in Pakistan :)

#6 by smellthecoffee

So is beheading in Pakistan :)

So has Daniel Pearl's murderer been punished?

#7 Posted by harish_hyd,

I think being arrested means doing something against the law ... and not being automatically punished. Or don't you think so?

Zee bhai, you do have a point there, but how many beheaders have been arrested, let alone convicted as compared to cases of bride burning in India?

women do little more than make us look away.

Geographical distribution of dowry deaths, 1994
Source: National Crimes Bureau, Home Ministry
Andhra Pradesh - 396
Arunachal Pradesh - 0
Assam - 13
Bihar - 296
Goa - 0
Gujarat - 105
Haryana - 191
Himachal Pradesh - 4
Jammu & Kashmir - 1
Karnataka - 170
Kerala - 9
Madhya Pradesh - 354
Maharashtra - 519
Manipur - 0
Meghalaya - 0
Mizoram - 0
Nagaland - 2
Orissa - 169
Punjab - 117
Rajasthan - 298
Sikkim - 0
Tamilnadu - 83
Tripura - 6
Uttar Pradesh - 1977
West Bengal - 349
Andaman & Nicobar - 1
Chandigarh - 3
Dadra & Nagar Haveli - 0
Daman & Diu - 0
Delhi - 132
Lakshadweep - 0
Pondicherry - 4
Total - 5199

#9 Posted by harish_hyd,

Amaan Harish Bhai, kya kaj behsi kar rahey ho ...

Mian, you may not have heard but the accused in Daniel Pearl case are in jail right now awaiting outcome of their appeal against their death sentences.

Happy now?

The Silent Majority cannot make things happen by itself.

It needs a voice, a focus, a group of sincere leaders.

Moderates are usually pro-status quo.

Sir Syed (of Aligarh fame) still gets ridicule from

extremists for working within the system of the time.

Fanatics are in the process of defining ALL of Islam.

That has to be prevented.

The tough question is how and not when....

Re: # 12
Same stuff...while the rest of the world is addressing issues of livelihood and how they would be able to meet the aspirations of their peoples now and in the next few generations, in Pakistan it is the same old broken record of the past few years.

BiBi: Restore democracy. Get rid of your uniform. Nawaz join my committee. Courts should be free.

Nawaz: democracy restoration is my interest. Get rid of your uniform. BiBi join my group. Curts should judiciary and free

JI and jihadis: democracy is man-made can be changed or made null and void. Bring on Shariah. Pakisatn ka kya matlab

Army: you bloody idiots donot know anything. We are the saviours of pakistan.

Not one, group has said anything about what they would do once democracy or their flavour of governance is installed. Its as if by some black-magic all the troubles of pakistan will vanish.

Do any of the pakistanis (NOT THE NRPs) really think any of these groups have the policies/ideas wherewithall to solve the problems of the peoples and show the way forward?

Democracy means something more than a fcuking vote. It also means a proper discussion on the roti-kapada-makaan issues - who they are going to brought about and they will be provided for in the future as well - involving the great unwashed.

So to quote/paraphrase TAhmed32: while India and China are surging forward, Pakistan is engaged in the Navel Contemplation of the word "futility".

Back to the Ottomans ...

How different is Islam?

Turkey matters enormously to two big debates about religion in public life. The first is specifically to do with Islam: how compatible is it with political modernity? The second should be universal: where exactly to draw the line between religion and the modern state? Sadly, Turkey is one of the few Muslim countries where that debate is possible to have.

Merely posing the question of whether Islam is different raises Muslim hackles. They sense a post-September 11th witch-hunt, and with some cause. Every Western schoolboy now “knows� that the Koran promises suicide-bombers will be provided with 72 virgins (not true) and that in Muslim countries you can get stoned to death for being gay (true, sadly, in some places). Yet few Western schoolboys know much about the equally blood-curdling texts of the Old Testament: if you want illiberal family law, Leviticus is hard to beat.

Islamic politics, Muslims continue, is not uniform: Kano is very different from Karachi or Kuwait. And the troubles of Arabia, they maintain, have little to do with religion. They were caused by the Ottoman empire being amateurishly subdivided by the British, invaded by the Americans, occupied by Israel and exploited by the oil companies.

All these things may be true, but they do not stop Islam being different. There are still reasonable questions a dispassionate observer (or a Muslim) should be asking. Why is Islam involved in quite so many modern wars of religion? Why have its believers coped so badly with modernisation? Back in 1700 it controlled three of the world's economic superpowers—the Ottoman empire, Persia and India. Today, despite (or perhaps because of) oil, the Arab world in particular lags behind on most indices of modernity, from the number of books published to investment in science. Political bad luck cannot explain all of this.

The first answer that many Muslims and Westerners jump to—that Islam is stuck in a clash of civilisations with the West—seems unconvincing. Put simply, the main battle is not taking place in that arena. One great irony of the war on terror is that although George Bush has declared war upon jihadism, his enemies devote very little energy to fighting him.

The jihadists' main war is not against the West but against apostate Muslim regimes: where they do battle with outsiders, it is mainly against occupying powers—Russia in Chechnya, America in Iraq, India in Kashmir and Israel in Palestine.

(http://www.economist.com/specialreports/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10015189

Islam's agenda is "submission" through careful genocide and terrorism- it is a perfect mafiaso code - all Bhai Bhai love it - that is why it is the most popular in jails - the mafiasos love to see the world of Allah coinciding with their vision................

Another excerpt from the same series in Economist, to which category most chowk hindoos belong, which is why I have nothing but contempt for them:

... some in the Hindutva movement think the real territorial crime is the existence of Pakistan itself. Hinduism, they claim, is the religion of “Hindustan�, the whole subcontinent. Maps in Hindutva offices have a habit of missing out the Pakistani border.

At the moment India's relationship with Pakistan is relatively peaceful, partly because Pakistan is not in a state to be unpeaceful with anybody. But both sides now have nuclear weapons. And Hindus persistently worry that Indian Muslims are a fifth column. One Hindu nationalist, Prafull Goradia, suggests that Indian Muslims should be forced to take an oath of loyalty (though he would rather Muslims of all sorts moved to Arabia).