Political Quandary in Pakistan

Re: # 10
I did not see in morning newspapers, seems some new advisor ?

Re: # 9 Mr. H with best respects to you. Some body said I am fool as I said MQM mental superiority over Punjabis and sindhis... etc. But man said Pathans are best in that dept.
I do not understand.
Most intelligent Pathan Big Khan was given favor by general by house arrest and elevated him . Now General wants to discredit and make fool of him like his Mughal forefather. He sets a trap and Big Khan walks in to it. Police watch him going back doors in car from his "house Prison". The police call general what to do, general replies give him chance to make a fool of him.
Now Big Khan is out like a big tiger from Zoo. Freedom is problem as Big Khan is in search of some mission. No mission nothing in sight like zoo tiger can not catch anything wants to go back to zoo cage and want feast of chopped livers. He comes back and hopes for arrest and police ask him to go home. Now out of respect as he defeated India cricket had given chance to enhance his image
and man blows up given chance. He never understood HOUSE ARREST is previlage not RIGHT as he is demanding. Now he is most intelligent pathan.
Once Romair said is right Pathan is state of mind.
Will you concede President has really humilated Big Khan, NS and has made Laughing stock of Mrs Bhutto so shown Mughal brain superiority over Punjabi, sindhi expms and big Pathan ?
Now BB ns may be big democrat and both religious and big Khan womens right emancipator but we need some body who will not be deceived by outsiders, in that case by default even usa and China and India have supported brain over bran from heartlands of Pakistan a simple humble Mohajir from nonpompous Karachi.
I was and most will happy to hear YLH is all right, was bit worried by rough treatment to lawyers.
I guess you and your buddies are having fun of life sittimg there with liquid refreshmnts and enjoying uncomforts of lawyers and BB and NS and best of Big Khan Predicment. ( It is said pathan always do things and then try to understand what was done)_.
I think never thought all so such Lafangebazi by so many people in such short time.
Hope not disturbing your buddies and mind altering and relaxing liquid refreshment sessions.
Respectfully submitted

BJ,

Did u see the Scandinavian peninsula? It's one unit but torn into two nations i.e Noorwy & Sweden. I dont think the ppl in the peninsula are any different - racially, culturally - in Norway and Sweden. We have a lesson to learn from them.

Some Indians are too sentimental abt Pakistan. You are one of them. :(

#17 Hamidm2 sahib

Look, I admit I have not read Dr. Gill's piece yet (but I intend to). It is just the opening lines from the Jinnah that got my goat up, going, running around, prancing, and doing all kinds of mad acrobatics!

My advice to Dr. Gill is - sir, if you want to deal with your subject matter in an honest way, kindly do not start with dishonest quotes! Perhaps in Pakistan, every piece must start with a praise of the Jinnah like in Canada they sing "God save the queen!"

But sometimes, it is not a good idea to be sheepishly subservient to past precedence!

Re: # 15

bj mian,

.............. uh????????

chaccha jee #12,


I want to be the ruler you see, not be ruled. "Government by the people"? hmm? Rings a bell? mayhaps?

So the BB musharraf alliance is the same old same, stinks.

Freethinker,

Jinnah had a lot of words – but he had no dreams! Mohamed Ali Jinnah was not into dreaming – he was into winning his cases, come what may! This talk about losing a religious label should be tagged as one of the most dishonest of talks ever let loose on humanity – because it was uttered over the dead bodies of millions of innocent human beings – whose deaths resulted from the direct deeds of that man, who never betrayed the slightest degree of compunction for his role!

Creating Pakistan on such a foundation of hatred for the “other”was little different from taking a lot of toxic dump, burying it underneath and covering it up with dirt and planting a garden! Yes, a garden!

True, one can write many poems praising the beauty of the garden but only the morons of the highest order would expect the fruits of such a garden, whose roots derive sustenance from that toxic dump, to be less than deadly!

In Pakistan today, the khakis take by force what they want – just like every other Pakistani ruler takes by force what he or she wants – like the Mushy did, like the Nawaj did, like the BeeB did, like the Zia did, like all those khaki Khans did, like all their predecessors did – they all took by force what they wanted!

Because they all did just like the Jinnah took by force what he wanted!

Dr. Gill wrote well but why so many articles as if Chowk is a daily newspaper? Weekly or bi-weekly is bearbale but no daily.

They published more than 10 articles since the Emergency was declared in Pakistan. It's pathetic that some good articles are gone to history in a matter of 2-3 days. Some had less than 100 hits?!?!

Coming to the topic, there are 3 disticnt grops in Pakistan that are pulling the country in three different directions with an invisible fourth group i.e the US is pulling Pakistan in its own direction. The pseudo-democrats (BB, NS types; Imran Khan is joker in the pack, btw), Musharraf and the Termites i.e Taliban. While Temrites are eating up the country from north-west and north, Mush is digging his heels deep in the (false?) hope of getting blind US support, which he had it till now.

When Talibs are @ the door-step of Pakistan's capital the real contingent plans of CIA become known (safeguarding the nuclear assets in Pakistan).

Pseudo-democrats want elections at any cost in the hope that ppl wud elect them per force. Since Talibs dont care for anything other than Sharia, the Mushites and pseudo-democrats shud join hands to form a National Government to stem the tide of Talibans into the plains of Pakistan. Bickering is not going to help the country.

Me think that this Pakistan emergency is iran proxy war with SA, and the US is still confused about the whole thing. NWFP kills shia military personnel but lets the sunnis military personnel go free. More to come between shia sunni war on the streets of Pakistan, if SA does not tell this confused general to take a hike.

#11 brilliant argument: they didnt have perfect checks and balances before, so in future there should be no checks and balances at all.

I can understand why geniuses like you want to ruled by some other man - you couldnt think your way out of an open door.

"Don't you think such a judiciary would have applied proper checks and balances in the smooth running of democracy....."

Bhatti sahib,

That is funny. Yes the judiciary did put in place the checks and balances during the BB and NS era :D

That's why BB and NS are locked up for 25 years each!

BEAKING NEWS! ... Bobby the Brain Heenan appointed as musharraf's Chief Advisor

.......... i guess you guys also think that professional wrestling is a sport !

....... c'mon guys, get real and stop wringing your hands over this so-called "emergency" ..... take a lesson from bobby the brain heenan - it is just entertainment (or lufangebazi, as mr ahmedmadani would call it ) ....... i think we should get the wwf to supervise the 'elections' in pakistan .......

Gill Sahib, you come accross somewhat confused and naive in your article.

Why would we have a qunadary if we had independent instituions, i.e. independent judiciary , consumer protection organisations, independent state bank (independent from Ministry of finance in letter and spirit), army confined to the barracks, prmie minsiter acountable to a questioning parliment, , etc. etc.

Frankly your article lacked grey cells. And it is very odd that you are harping on about all and sundry except the topical issue. Unless you have forgotten we have just gone through an army invasion on the judicary .

we would be in less of a qunadary if people like could comprehend and recognise what our real problems are.

Gill Sahib,

Well written article. But let us go to the basics and see what is meant by democracy. We always hear the popular definition which goes as government by the people for the people. But this is what was said by an american president in nineteenth century and does not gives the whole picture.

In my opinion the democracy is "a system of governance where the state institutions are subject to the will of people."

Here important part is state institutions. When democracy is not in place one of the state institution tries to grows out of its clothes and tries to subdue other institutions (in our case it is army which has subdued other institutions to the point of destruction).

So whenever democracy comes again, it has to rebuild the state institutions; same institutions that are there to perform checks and balances. Under Musharraf, independent judiciary is totally destroyed. Don't you think such a judiciary would have applied proper checks and balances in the smooth running of democracy.....

Gill saab,

Well written article.

Sham democracy may be more harmful as it creates a disillusionment in the democratic process.

an unbiased and strong judiciary, land reforms, and new regulation for checks and balances for government administrations are essential for a real democracy. For a government by the people, for the people.

Everything else is just hair phair :D
with much respect,
thinking storm