Political Quandary in Pakistan

Masadi sahib,

(Chowk was inaccessible from Pakistan yesterday and today is also inaccessible via Internet Explorer. The ISI types are roaming these streets or maybe they are working overtime for the sake of "democracy". )

Actually it was inaccessible in India too so I presume it was not the ISI's fault.

Regards

Note in addition to #74

Note: The real "rock and a hard place" is what the people of Pakistan find themselves in, faced by a choice between Musharraf's "democracy" and America's "democracy"- they want neither because both circumvent them(or pass them by) while using (and abusing) their name.

p.s: By the way, our esteemed president, who was also called a sonofabitch by the Daily Telegraph announced through his attorney general 4 days back that emergency will be lifted in a month and elections would be delayed by a month. Never one to go back on his words, he declared yesterday that the elections should be held before January 9th, under the barrel of the military gun. He also declared that it was "history in the making" the for the first time martial law slayed the judiciary and not the assemblies from which the opposition had already resigned in protest over the laughingstock he had made of the country by contesting presidental elections while serving as the country's highest ranking military officer in uniform. In related news, he was also descibed as a sonofabitch by the Daily Telegraph.....

According to our esteemed President, who was also called a sonofabitch by the Daily Telegraph, emergency in Pakistan was declared for the sake of "democracy", because stage/phase 3 of the democracy through dictatorship process was in danger of being "derailed". The hard work of past 7 years, that of manufacturing numbers showing the poverty has been reduced in Pakistan and literacy raised by 15% was in danger of being exposed and all the hard work lost. Our president, who was an unknown figure before the coup that brought him to power and now is the most popular political leader of the country, acted to save "democracy". For those of you ingrates who do not know what the three stages are, here is a history lesson for you all

Stage 1: Musharraf rules through the barrel of a drawn gun after overthrowing a democratically elected government for the sake of "democracy"

Stage 2: Musharraf rules through the gun but the gun is placed in the holster for purpose of legitimating and of course it is for "democracy"

Stage 3: Musharraf is declared president and COAS for life, to safeguard "democracy".

Stage 3 was disrupted because the Americans had a different plan for "democracy": choose a Prime Minster before any voting or campaigning takes place, and take the "gun" away from Musharraf and give it to another COAS, so he can rule through its barrel at the right time.

What have people got to do with "democracy"? In Pakistan, not much, democracy is pre-cooked and microwavable. It can be enforced from on high or applied through stages. It can be smoked, cooked, sautéed or stir fried but never consumed by the people.......Enjoy, now that the train is back on the tracks and the judges under house arrest and the dissidents being court martialled....


p.s Chowk was inaccessible from Pakistan yesterday and today is also inaccessible via Internet Explorer. The ISI types are roaming these streets or maybe they are working overtime for the sake of "democracy". The little men and women must not get any information.....because they might derail stage 3 of the path to "democracy". It must be true because our esteemed president, also called a sonofabitch by the Daily Telegraph, who was educated at the Ivy League, Pakistan Military Academy, and who in his own words found himself between a "rock and a hard surface" (should have been place but the literary giant who wrote his own biographical account of taking on the entire Indian military and now is not surrendering to 160 million Pakistani folk should be in a position to invent his own language, leave alone a borrowed phrase).

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Re: # 71

I think you have a great point, although one thing to add. The judiciary should not be completely independent....it needs to be controlled via checks and balances as well....

Take the American System of Government for example, The three parts of the government work via checks and balances...like three corners of a triangle....The President...The Congress...The Judiciary!

President nominates the judges.....Congress confirms them......Judges uphold the constitution and keep both Congress and President in check....

"You can install a political government by popular vote but there are no effective checks and balances by which a political government can be kept to the straight, narrow and workable path".

Independent judiciary, and completely unfettered media is the answer. Public can be informed and mobilized into political activism through the media. With the recourse to independent courts availble, this will create the necessary system of checks and balances. This has the promise to slowly cleanse the system.

The Times of India

POLITICALLY INCORRECT

Kis taraf, Musharraf?
11 Nov 2007, 0000 hrs IST,Shobaa De

"Bad news across the border is good news in India," commented seasoned journalist Asif Noorani in an impassioned email. The e-greeting by Nitya Anand Chepuri (author of the controversial book 'Tarbela Damned – Pakistan Tamed'), was more ominous. It read, "Fireworks will be provided from the other side of our western border this Diwali." So... what is the real story? I spoke to Noorani to get a better understanding of the action from someone who is right there in the trenches, so to speak. He scoffed at the misrepresentation of the situation in India. Like he put it, "Our children are going to school as usual...we are at work...the streets are calm. I'm happy to say, our Emergency is nothing like yours." Noorani, an old India hand, was in Chennai (Madras, in those days), when Indira Gandhi declared 'our' Emergency.

According to Asif, people were so paranoid, he was told not to speak to even a taxi driver, as that person could be a spy. He gleefully gloated during his spirited defence of Pakistan's General, "Musharraf is far less brutal than his predecessors, especially while dealing with opponents. What is Bhutto's record? Or Nawaz Sharif's? There is far more personal freedom in Pakistan at present, than ever before. Today, lawyers can stand up to a military dictator...what more do you want?" I checked with some other friends in Karachi, and the story was pretty much the same. "There are no protestors on the street... life is pretty calm. So, the Fashion Week got cancelled, but who cares?" Noorani's dismissal of the issue was complete when he stated cynically that people on both sides of the border share exactly the same, rather pleb concerns – the price of cheeni! He added jauntily that i could relax and ask him whatever i wanted to — "Don't worry, i won't be arrested at the end of this phone call."

As someone (me!) who had been directly affected by Gandhi's deplorable handling of the nation in general and the media in particular, during one of the worst, most shameful times in India's history, what Noorani was claiming , sounded like a 'Dream Emergency'! He boasted about the professional class in Pakistan having woken up for the first time, as a positive fallout of the current situation. He also asked what the alternative was to the General (''there are no uncorrupt politicians to take over from him.."). For a man who can be safely described as a liberal in a repressed society, i was rather intrigued by Asif's stand. He was not giving me a well-rehearsed spiel, and to the best of my knowledge, he is not on the General's payroll. In fact, Noorani is often teased by colleagues, who call him an Indian agent! Sugar coating? Or a balanced point of view from a sane scribe not given to hyperbole? Who then, is the villain of the piece?

However, happenings across the border are certainly sounding a whole lot better-scripted than our two Bollywood Diwali Dhamakas. One is as over-pumped up as the hero's muscles, and the other has audiences weeping with frustration. There was just too much riding on poor SRK's sixpack, while the missing 'butt shot' in the other mega production, took care of that imbalance. Meanwhile, India lost to Pakistan, which definitely doesn't qualify as cricket's 'phuljhadi moment' for us.

Today is Brother's Day across India. If one stretches that a little further, it is a day to honour a special bond and renew positive feelings. I am in such a smarmy, sentimental and 'Mush-y' mood, I feel like phoning the General and calling him over for some traditional Maharashtrian 'faraal'. Maybe his emergency is better than ours, but all emergencies are essentially bad and anti-people. There is no such thing called a 'good' emergency. As a concerned sister from across the border, that would be my simple and heartfelt message to Parvez bhai — call it off, brother.

Re:67

Hamidm2 Sahib,
Long time....
I hope you have been good or bad as you usually are here but nevertheless always funny.

Ah, the political quandry in Pakistan....lets come back to it...

Everybody already knows that Zeemax is a very manly man who spends his weekends knowing the right and wrong holes of Chowk members....Hahahaha....

Does creepiness ever reach a Zenith with this Namoona!

Oh well,
I havent seen tahmed around....
Must say salam to the old chap......

and Hamidm2 Sahib,
This was hardly a discussion of sexual matters, although I do think we should start one...

about Pakistani men and their Impotencies! Physical, Psychological or Political...........Hahaha

To get out of this mess....

PRESIDENT: Benazir Bhutto or Nawaz/Imran

PM: Mushahid Hussain or Shortcut Aziz

COAS: Pervez Musharraf or ?

Chief Justice: Iftikhar Chaudhry or Reema

All Parties Meeting (actually Mushahid Hussains idea)

Venue: Nirala Sweets (hamidm's idea).

Chief Election Commisioner: tahmed (so nobody gets out of line)

Dress Code: Black Shirts..

Where is YLH?

If he does not return soon, Arjun and bjkumar

will declare victory and THEN what will they do?

Ras

shoresahib and zeemax,

.... see what i mean? ....... nobody cares about the political quandary in pakistan except gill sahib and tahmed ... i think even tahmed has come to his senses and is taking a wait and see approach .......

.... carry on with your discussion of sexual matters - it is a lot more interesting than the mush/bb saga .......

Re: #65

Mr. Zeemax,

I never announced that whether I am a passive or active gay.

Thats for me to know, and for you to never find out!

I thought when someone was gay, he or she was just gay!

When did I invite men to be my sexual partners here?

Do you have any proof or you just pull things out of your behind to fling your crap!

Each time you do, you show your littleness!

Not just in mental stature but also where it counts the most for a man....

Does it make you feel like more of a "MAN" to pick on the likes of me and others?

Does flinging your oral feces give your impotency a lift Viagra could never provide.....
and does it make your member really engorged and stiff to dehumanize some people on chowk and call them with labels.....

Tsk tsk tsk

How pathetic truly....

Oh grow up, please!

Henceforth, You are being ignored by me.

#64 Posted by ShoreSahib,

I thought you announced openly that you were a passive gay on Chowk, and everyone knows that. You actually invited men here to be your sexual partners. Is that not true?

I don't actually care if it is, because you're in good company. There's another one named khaki something advertising his bottom.

Re: #63

Dear Mr. Zeemax,

I never claimed any proclivities..............

You only assumed what your dirty mind wanted to.....

Its You who is obsessed with man-holes and their uses....

Not me...

I never accused anyone of doing anything "right" or "wrong" with their hole..

Frankly, its their personal business...

Honestly, I really don't care either way whether you remove the ten foot pole from your hole....or whether it even exists!

Its none of my business!!!!!

and I would advise you to refrain from making assumptions about people you know nothing about.

#60 Posted by ShoreSahib,

I thought the man-hole was designed to expel some refuse and not to insert some in it. But you obviously have different proclivities.

#57 Posted by hamidm2,

Hamidm2, more and more I kept being drawn to your POV (except your ramblings about camels and the rest etc). I like Sheikh Rashid too. He tells the truth when he calls himself a UKP which he is. That's courage. Not honor though, but what do ranghars know about honor?

Is he from your 'halqa'? I'll vote for him even if not registered in that 'halqa'. That's a promise :)