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Re: # 13

kulharee,

..... you know me well ..... i honestly hope the civil and uncivil paki society does come out tomorrow to put an end to military rule once and for all ........ but i doubt it .... the problem is with the political leadership - the people just don't trust them ....

...... but i sincerely hope nobody is killed, unless it is a bus load of jihadis who are in a hurry to have sex in heaven ......

Skeptical,

Being the moorakh that I am, I look at everything thru rose colored glasses.

But since you are a skeptic, allow me to play one for a few minutes.

"..let me assure you a part of me perhaps admires him a lot and admires him much more than any one and certainly more than you……"

Wha? How would you know that? Maybe you are right and I don't know NFP from a hole in the ground, maybe you are wrong and I am NFP himself, and extremely narcissistic! [no, I am not NFP, but you knew that]

"You take his opinion to be an endorsement of your pro Musharraf stance or your anti Imran stance."

I cannot take any an article by NFP to be an endorsement of my views because: 1) He prolly does not know of me or my views and 2) He has not addressed my opinions, just his own. So no, I don't take it as an endorsement :)

"You are narrowing your opinion to character assassination of anti Musharraf element…"

Nope. No character assassination going on. I am merely calling a spade a spade. You can browse my iLogs at your leisure.

"I would like to offer my humble opinion that at times interests of self righteous anal bastard middle class and down trodden, though not explicitly realized, can actually converge…."

I agree. Sometimes they can. At this moment, democracy and the stability of the country are at odds.

"So while you praise and “respect” him for writing this wonderful piece (mainly because apparently he is pro Mushi and anti democracy or anti “sham democracy” or he endorses your view, his take is actually different ……"

wait wait. I praise his piece for its anti-sham democracy point of view. I don't think he is endorsing my pov, how could he? I am not anti-democracy. I just think the a-holes that are our candidates do not cut it. I am anti-BB, he is pro BB :) see...there are other differences.

This was a fun exercise!

with much respect,
thinking storm

"he SHO and constables laughed at him and refused to comply with his request. He was offered a cup of tea and some biscuits, but he refused and tried to lock himself up in an empty cell. The police staff on duty resumed their card game and the SHO tried to persuade Imran Khan to come out of the cell by offering him chapli kabab from Peshawar More. It is a tense stand-off."

Hamidm,

this has to be one of the funniest things I have read today !
with much respect,
thinking storm

skeptical,

thanks for your response.

I understand that Nadeem has a different view of Musharraf than I do. What he and I appear to share is the healthy dose of skepticism we have of the so called lovers of "democracy".

IF your ideas are half baked, mine haven't even been kneaded yet, so do excuse me for my simplistic views :)
with much respect,
thinking storm

Hamid Saab, you might have to eat your words when you see hordes as well as herds of civil and uncivil servants and other Pakistanis after Allah Puja tomorrow, the holy day of Jumma. Masadi will be leading uncivil and uncouth Jaloos of unemployed sociologists. Down with Mushy. I predict scores will be killed tomorrow in Pindi, either by a isiuicide bomb or by Police. Please don't go out. Thanks.

Government Refuses to Arrest Imran Khan

ISLAMABAD, Nov 9, 2007: Tehrik-i-Insaf leader Imran Khan was refused arrest by the Federal Government when he presented himself at the Abpara Police Station this morning. Eyewitnesses report that Imran Khan showed up alone at 9:00 am and demanded to be arrested for violating the PCO. The SHO and constables laughed at him and refused to comply with his request. He was offered a cup of tea and some biscuits, but he refused and tried to lock himself up in an empty cell. The police staff on duty resumed their card game and the SHO tried to persuade Imran Khan to come out of the cell by offering him chapli kabab from Peshawar More. It is a tense stand-off.

cricket trumps 'emergency'

..... excellent! ......... that is what i have been saying all along about this 'emergency' drama - nobody gives a hoot except for the unemployable lawyers and aunties with blonde hair who couldn't get an appointment with their hairdresser .......... it is all lufangebazi designed by mush to get rid of the pesky cj ..... bb, bush, fazloo and the uncivil allah rakha from lalamusa all know this ...... i think i saw bush wink when he asked mush to hold the elections on time and bb couldn't help smirking when she asked him to take off his uniform ........

...... what a load of crap ! the cricket match was much more exciting and unlike the emergency i don't think it was fixed ......

Re: # 7 and 9
No thinkingstorm

Look I respect opposite and contrary opinions. My sign in name is Skeptical or sceptical.....
I doubt everything and this guy needs to be questioned for his own contradictions....
Mind you I have a love late relationship with this iconic writer and let me assure you a part of me perhaps admires him a lot and admires him much more than any one and certainly more than you……
People like NFP should exist, they are the benchmark for the left wing but in my humble and " confused" opinion Mr NFP does need to answer some questions....
You take his opinion to be an endorsement of your pro Musharraf stance or your anti Imran stance. You are narrowing your opinion to character assassination of anti Musharraf element… The typical approach is that anti Musharraf element is corrupt and self serving……
He is not pro Musharraf.....at least not the way you are ...He is trying to interpret and justify it through class "theory" and through liberalism is necessary at any cost approach….
The implicit idea according to my low intellectual and “contradictory half baked confused ” fcuking philosophy is that….( these are his favourite words...):

Things like independent Judiciary are purely a creation or reflection of middle class anal self righteous mentality…..
Though of far less intellectual calibre than him and having “no knowledge of geo politics”, I would like to offer my humble opinion that at times interests of self righteous anal bastard middle class and down trodden, though not explicitly realized, can actually converge….
And one should be careful when one’s own life is itself reflective of those anal middle class choices….
I have merely pointed out some contradictions …..
Let him answer them…..
And let me assure you once again that your opinion and his opinion though apparently same are not the same….
So while you praise and “respect” him for writing this wonderful piece (mainly because apparently he is pro Mushi and anti democracy or anti “sham democracy” or he endorses your view, his take is actually different ……

Nadeem,

You have eloquently described all that I have been incoherently rambling about on unplugged.

At first, I was shocked at myself as well. Why o why would I have protested against the Zia monster, and then turned around and not gone apeshit at Musharraf?

Perhaps it has to do with the hypocrisy of the "supporters" of "democracy". These very people are encouraging the completely arrogant and ignorant reactionary forces to spread and grow stronger using the gun as a weapon in nwfp, and TV in the cities.

Bravo for writing this wonderful piece!

with much respect,
thinking storm

"What movement, where?"

I too underwent the same puzzlement when I heard Imran Khan telling the video (YouTube) camera. He says that he want to 'lead' the anti-Emergency movement from underground. LOL.

He ran for his life and want to make a facade of defiance. That way Asma Jehangir is the real and the ONLY MAN in Pakistan.

Skeptical,

I could be misreading you, but do I detect anger?


with much respect,
thinking storm

I was waiting for your article and I had an instinctive hunch what you were about to say....
I want you to answer some bloody fcuking questions...... I have deliberately used fcuking because the real word though describes a hypocrite like you accurately would nevertheless be filtered out...
Mr Paracha if you are fcuking man enough to answer some questions, lets have your take about them....

1. Why do you write in a language which is elitist and understood by a only few......
2. Why despite your fcuking claims about being a "conventional" old fashioned Marxist Leninist and your fcuking tall claims to speak on the behalf of the down trodden, you have married an elitist yuppy commercial foreign banker..... why couldn’t you find some one from ordinary class for your steamy affairs and for your life partner.... After all in one of your articles you have actually made fun of Imran for marrying Jemima....Mr Paracha .... what about your own choice......
3. I am sorry I am getting personal here, but having slight "knowledge" of your immediate family, I would like to bring out your bloody hypocritical true face here.....because there are people here who like you because they think you are an "honest and straight forward" person. Your controversial style is interpreted as being fearless and straight forward…......
4. I do not blame you for certain things though, after all you got famous for writing "rebel" anti culture stuff... remember those anti culture days.....the News when you blamed Junoon for "selling the revolution....."
5. Answer Mr Paracha if Junoon sold the revolution to Coca Cola while never claiming to be "anti corporate" revolutionaries, you have actually "sold" your services to Nandos and Telenor.....If you claim to be straight forward and a true "socialist...", why have you written jingles for "elitist colonial" multinationals like Nandos and Telenor.... So the chicken crosses the road.... sounds familiar Mr NFP....... and the underpass is full of water.
6. Please do not claim that Engels was also an industrialist...
7. So you have decided to go against the grain.... why ... tell me and convince me, is it to merely reinforce your image as a "rebel" journalist or because you actually believe the crap you say....

8. You think that NRO and lawyers movement is a reflection of anal middle class mentality.... Your supporting evidence is lack of common man's protest......
Ok once again, lets have you take on it..... How many people actually came out when the most charismatic "roti Kapra makan " leader was hanged.....
At that time, due to Marshal Law of Zia people could not come out..... Would you give the same spin on that……Would you insult ZAB by saying that apparent lack of protest on his death was not because of Marshal Law but because he was a creation of anal middle class mentality….
9. By the way it took an air crash to remove Zia, he could not be removed through a popular movement…. Would you support him by saying that since no body came out Zia was a great leader…..
10. I have personally campaigned with a female NGO against Hudood Ordinance… I know for certain that majority of the lower class women were not even aware of the “Hudood” ordinance unless actually raped…. Would you cite that lack of awareness as endorsement in your articles the way you are ridiculing lawyers movement by saying that it is actually a reflection of anal middle class mentality ( interestingly u are yourself married into upper self righteous middle class family…..)
11. If public support is the true criteria for truthfulness of an idea, why you claim to be “Marxist Lenisist.” And yet support PPP when it despite retaining liberal outlook has moved away from nationalization……..In fact privatization started during PPP’s first tenure…and yet PPP’s street power and mass appeal is still intact….
12.. Answer Mr Paracha……. these entire questions one by one ……. Straight and to the point answers…..
13. I know that you will see this post…..You are an egoist person……. You have claimed in your articles that you have read a million books ( anti culture) and you are quick to answer anything which even mentions Salman Ahmed…..
14. Answer Mr Paracha
15. And answer logically and with proper supporting evidence
16. Do not say that I am self contradictory and a tableeghi or am Islamic fascist….
17.. In reality I may be far more left wing than a corporate jingle writing confused yet popular writer like you……
18. Great NFP……oh straight forward NFP…….
19. Answer !!!!

Nadeem,

Thank you, thank you.

While the bandar tamasha of the opportunists continues, it is refreshing to hear some reason!

You are the second sane voice in this bazaar (the other sane voice being mine, of course).

with much respect,
thinking storm

Uncivil society has changed since Zias' time. Only in sindh do the great unwashed look to BB for salvation.

Far greater numbers are looking to Osama.....and the sad truth is he comes good for his supporters alot more than she does.

It also a term that refers to people that come together for a cause (usually against State).

Paracha Sahib, I think you are confusing “Civilians”, vis-à-vis the Military, the Lawyers, the Uniformed. And so on. That’s what the “civil society” implies, at least in the rest of the world, and it does include un-civil (as you put it) as well (so long as they are not “uniformed”. I could be wrong.

Hope all is well with you. It appears from the outside that things are pretty eff’d up.