An Open Letter to Hizb-ut-Tahrir

mullah32 - I thought you don't read my posts... :)

#94 Posted by mohar11 on November 14, 2007 11:08:43 am

yeah..it's funny how pakis, who've lived under the boot of the military for most of their 60 years, are now yearning for democracy.

the fact of the matter is that they're against their military dictator because he's being forced to do something that has really hurt their honor and dignity..that fig leaf they use to cover their own inability to keep up with india.

If, instead of bombing the pakis of jihadi persuasion, the dictator was sending his jihadis to kill india, the paki people would be fully behind him.

It's hard for pakis to see India rising up while their country is the byline in every terrorism story...

shish

in good old days - Mushy would have just unleashed a tirade against india, turned up jihad a bit more - pakis would be swooning again to the rhetoric, everything would have been forgotten...

Unfortunately that doesnot work any more - there is no other boogeyman to fall back upon... This is like no other time in pakistan... there is no precedent and pakis have no clue how to proceed... And they have turned on each other...

mohar11 #94

{{Because - at that time pakis en masse were still dreaming on kashmir, war on hinuds and what not... they thought Mushy boy, the tough commando, will wrestle kashmir from horrible hinuds...}}

Then there were those Pakistani expatriates who after attending Mushy’s speech to his countrymen in DC in early 2002 wrote gushing accounts on Chowk about his wit, his good humour, his liberal moderate orientation, his various economic plans, the repeated applause and standing ovation he received from the audience. They thanked God that Pakistan’s Great Helmsman was a competent, well-meaning man – and so to bed.

How completely these worthies forget their prior adulation of El Dictator …

Mohar,

yes, it is a tough situations for them.
I wish lawyers had collectively made at least a
statment, we are sorry, we did not do this in 1999,
but what the heck, we learnt and now we are going
to go ahead with the sturggle, people, follow us.

Currently any politician, any "movement", or any person who gets endorsed by US is going to be a disastrous failure in Pakistan. Therefore, in order to save the integrity of the movement of lawyers, judiciary, and press against this dicataror they must refrain to accept any endorsement from US whether it is from government or a group like american lawyers. American lawyers must be told point blank to mind their own business.

#98...yes Arjun I am sure you have a great deal to do with India's economic miracle and spectacular rise, what with you spending the majority of your life on Chowk.com refreshing your browser in anticipation of delivering more of your 'Incredible India' speech to yet another poster who probably talking about something else entirely.

How about you take a clearer look at the picture; I am sure you are aware, since you have such a hand in India's rise, that Muslims have an enormous impact on everything from Bollywood to India's nuclear capabilities. To put it in perspective for you, we have Pakistan all to ourselves and we also have India to share with piss drinkers like you. Amongst the Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs and everyone else, only the Muslims have been able to make a separate homeland for themselves in addition to also maintaining a large population and hold in India. You Hindus still live in the same India with everyone else as it always was for you and we Muslims are a part of that as well. I for one have plenty of family in both in India and in Pakistan. In addition to Pakistani families having influence in Pakistan, it is not uncommon for Pakistani families to have great influence in India...and you can visit some of the weddings and see who guests are as an example of the standing in Indian society of these Pakistani families. We also do enormous business in India.

While you spend your life in some dark little room waiting to post your next little bitchy post on this site, the world is changing out there and us Muslims/Pakistanis are even there in your India doing what you probably are not. Why not get a life and do something more for your own life that you can boast about rather than an economic growth story that you have nothing to do with.

Re: # 102

noble sentiments - but you really do not have any option... Without US pumping money, pakiland economy will collapse within days... pakiland are no iran...

Anycase - it's all moot... as long as you have jihadis running around - US will be involved heavily pakiland, one way or the other...

Zyxis, does the Indian side of your family cheer when Pakistan wins the cricket match?

Arjun is like the buck toothed, unemployed redneck from some Hickville USA town boasting about the power and wealth of his country.

#105...I hate cricket so I wouldn't know...I'm never there to watch.

#100 Posted by AlephNull on November 14, 2007 11:38:28 am

yes...romair's thinking, as reflected in his posts, was typical of pakis..mushy was the saviour..the paki JC..america's blue eyed boy who would deliver kashmir for the faithful..

remember these?

Black Tuesday: The View From Islamabad
Posted by Romair Sep 23, 2001 11:48 pm
Zahra #412: I had suggested before the interview that Benazir is now cornered. The whole world is now aware of her corruption. Her two trump cards of denouncing the military govt. and presenting herself as a, ``westernized`` alernative are down the drain, now also. She cannot criticize Musharraf as the US (and most Pakistanis) have now seems to have figured out that he is the right man to back.

Black Tuesday: The View From Islamabad
Posted by Romair Sep 23, 2001 02:29 pm
Asif Naqshbandi #401: As someone who has followed the Kashmir issue more closely and personally than probably anyone on this site, I think I can safely state that Pakistan`s position is now stronger than it has ever been historically on the Kashmir issue. The chances of a Kashmir solution now are greater than they have ever been. India has never been in such a defensive position on this issue, as it is right now.

The US stance has always been to support the right of self-determination in Kashmir. The US is not going to do anything against Pakistan now. Nothing. Zero. This is a new phase of a long-term alliance, with Musharraf at the head. He is becoming a hero in the US media circles. His definition of differentiating between fighting terrorism and supporting freedom fights is now going to become the international standard, as he is one of the only people in the world whose govt. has actively participated in both. A friend of a friend in the Pakistani Foreign Service told me that Bush called Musharraf and emotionally told him if he opposed the US, Pakistan would turn into Afghanistan, and if he supported the US, the US would ensure that Pakistan becomes a very prosperous country. Mush

#103 Posted by Zyxius on November 14, 2007 1:04:47 pm


Blah blah blah


reality:

India: IT
Pakistan: IT(Islamic Terrorism)

India: IITs
Pakistan: IIT(institutes of islamic terrorism)..

Re: # 104

This is a myth created by fouji haram khors and East India Compny ki naajaiz aulaad. There was no US aid from 1972 - 1979 and 89-2001; Pakistan did not collpase economically and not only that the foreign debt also remained stable. Some mega projects were completed during that time - like Steel Mill, Nuclear infrastructure, several dams, Motorway, and several industrial estates all across the country. As a matter of fact pakistan has always done better whenever it was left alone by US.

zyxius

True - you muslims have done enormously well - you got a "homeland" all for yourselves [where you have the freedom to kill each other at will]... Hinuds, on the other hand, have "just" india and nothing else... oh, those poor hinuds... :)

And yes, muslims are doing well in india - from bollywood to nukes - thank you very much... tell that your fellow pakis - they always whining about indian muslims being not treated well and what not... :)

Re: # 66

urstruly,

.... well, well, well! ......... life is full of surprises ..... i always thought you were a diehard mardoodite and a card carrying member of his fascist jamiat-i-tulaba ....... and here you are calling them by their correct name of jamiat-i-harami!

......... what is next? .. arjun is a member of hib-ut-tahrir? ..... masadi is actually sane? .... romair is a real person? ...... this gives me and that bitch who married a horrible hindoo some hope for the future .......