The Battle for Pakistan

rf786 "He is what we call in the investment field a "momentum player""

lets see makes imran a "populist" and a "momentum player":

firstly, one of the founding principle of Mr. Khan's justice movement is the establishment of an independent and affordable justice system. while rf786 may be able to buy justice using his dad's connections, majority of pakistanis cant even hope to get any justice.

secondly, one of the defining accomplishment of Imran is his gifting of a world class cancer hospital to poor and wretched pakistanis. while rf786's dad may be able to seek cancer treatment in UK and US, majority of pakistanis cant even afford to buy a plane ticket to US, much less money for the treatment.

So if these things make imran a "populist", then i think he is still much better than all "realists" who have learned the "real" art of politiking in Pakistan by using any means necessary to gain wealth and power. Imran may never become a PM or a president, because he is too principled, but he sure has taught average pakistanis that sitting idle whie the "realists" loot the country to extinction is not an option.

Mr. Khan has made some very valid points in this article that no one will disagree. But then again, has made some erroneous assumptions based on his ethnic background or political agenda.


Mr. Khan says:

"For a start there will be a quantum leap in terrorism. His policies have alienated the Pushtuns in general and the tribal Pushtuns in particular. There are around a million armed men in the tribal areas. Does it make any logical sense that to capture a couple of thousand Al-Qaeeda we invoke the hostility of around a million armed men – all natural guerilla fighters? And that is why history tells us the British lost more soldiers in the tribal areas than the whole of the sub-continent during their Raj."

Mr. Khan, why are these so-called warriors receiving money from their arab (foreign) guests? Why is it that a crime committed under traditional honor or Pukhtoon heritage not considered a crime? Dear sir, your thoughts on this subject are tinted with bias and show your political immaturity. Talibans were not created yesterday, nor are they limited in their resources. Either we choose to fight them or submit to their obscurantist ideology under which any ADULTERER is wajib ul qataal ie Mr. Imran Khan will be the first to be hanged.

Then Mr. Khan very conviniently passes the buck:

"Moreover fundamentalism is on the rise in most of Northern Pakistan because of Musharraf's "enlightened moderate" media policies. There is great reaction amongst the masses who perceive this as a license to be vulgar. The Lal Masjid "warriors" belonged to this category. While in Swat & Dir, there has been a rising discontentment due to the poor governance system ever since the two regions became a part of Pakistan in 1974. Thanks to Musharraff being perceived as an American Stooge imposing an anti-Islamic agenda on the country, all these movements are morphing into one."

Yes, Mr. Line of fire is full of sh*t, but then you were the elected representative of that area, how many times have you protested against this extremism? On the contrary, Mr. Khan has allied himself with these extremist. Munafiqat/hypocrisy.

In summary, Mr. Khan makes the right kind of noises that are populists but not realists. He is what we call in the investment field a "momentum player", these guys are short-term players with no apatite for structural shifts or long term positions.

LOOP: Those 5 "values" are the opposite of the FUNDAMENTAL MESSAGE OF THE QURAN - the fundamental message being, that individual responsibility befor God to distinguish between right and wrong, with the individual being held responsible by GOd on this account before God on the Judgement Day.

You are preaching the pagan "mullah religion" which says that if you do some magical things (treat Arabic as a divine language, which is the opposite of what the Quran teaches), follow a particular fashion (i.e. keep a beard), and hide the message of the Quran under hadith (which is the tool of the mullah devils to lead muslims astray from the fundamental message).

Repent your evil ways while you still have a chance.

why is it that some of us out there bring their hatred for islam in every debate. this article was all about politics and imran khan and mush. stick to the point please..
anyways, now that you have let me say this: if a mullah means the following things and if the mullah-factories instill these values in people then every muslim should be a mullah
1. pray in congregation 5 times a day
2. know how to read the Quran with proper tajweed
3. know basic arabic so as to understand the Quran
4. have 101 knowledge on Hadith
5. have a beard in light of sunnah etc

plus en plus, the pakis love using the word mullah and have created an alien space being out of it. islam does not believe in an ordained clergy, every muslim should have the knowledge of religion, be able to lead the prayers etc.. if you all became better muslims we wont be having these fitnas.

Re: # 96
its sad to hear such comments. making fun of islamic values immediatly undermines your iman.
The beard and maswak are both emblems of the Prophet (pbuh)and making fun of that isnt humour its blasphmy!
its people like you whose thinking enrages the muslims and makes them take up arms.. if you were infront of me and i had a ''danda'' i would knock you hard and fast!

People are listening up to Khan now. But here, the people rarely count and you have to be dishonest to succeed - he is better off with his social work to help Pakistan, because it brings in the change and we've seen it.

anil #: " would say that people standing / sitting around and watching should be embarrassed. The secretary who got beaten should have felt humiliated......There is nothing in it for the secretary to be embarrassed."

yes, i agree........this is my whole point......the person doing the beating should have been criticised and have been forced to feel embarrased........however, the people seemed to think otherwise......

kind of like a person who has been raped being forced to feel embarassed.......instead of the rapist.......

Bulleya writes ".......i think, this, in a nutshell, is the social viewpoint (or what it has been reduced to) in pakistan.......i.e. its the rule of power......if you can beat up someone, you gain respect.......if you get beat up, you are considered a loser........

no rule of law...... "


Did you expect anything different with the US running affairs in the world? Violence is as American as Apple Pie as they say, and with it goes the status of being the power state lording it over the "losers"; ruling through cruise missile "diplomacy" and wars without end and total militarization of the world, and you thought the world would give up the "might is right" principle.

What are the peons (in the Pak Army) going to do but follow their master in maintaining their mini fiefdom given to them via the MAJ?

hamidm: No i dont mean SA. SA merely provides the capital. I mean the dictatorships in Pakistan under whose watch mullahs become lions, and when they are not there mullahs are bakris.

Re: # 94

zyxius,

... look, i am not talking about killing 'people' with beards - some of my best friends have beards and i myself used to have one ......... i am talking about killing 'vermin' with beards ..... people and vermin - they are not the same thing .... how do you know vermin? ...... well, it is like pornography - you know it when you see it .....a beard, maswak, bad body odor, a pet sheep on a leash, shaven armpits, a tasbeeh, the mark of the devil on the forehead, bruised and calloused ankles, a lota, mumbling in arabic and a suicide belt are all good indicators .....

Re: # 92

tahmed,

"what about the mullah-growing factory? any thoughts on that? " ......... you mean saudi arabia? ...... sure .... you know that i have always been for liberating the province of hijaz and placing it under a grand mufti with a hat that is bigger than the pope's .........

#91 - You are both saying that you would like to kill all people with beards, control peoples thoughts, and force surgical procedures on the population....sounds like Nazism.

I also remember you saying (some posts ago) that you wouldn't dare speak your beliefs in public in Pakistan. So let me get this straight...you do all the talking on the net and wouldn't dare utter a peep otherwise....is that about right? Hamidm...since you do live in Detroit it may be wise for your bullshit within reasonable limits because even this cowardly net based machoism of yours falls into legal gray areas nowadays and could get you locked up in a real situation...something you are not used to.

Re: # 83

Romair:

I would say that people standing / sitting around and watching should be embarrassed. The secretary who got beaten should have felt humiliated.

Minister must have been a bully, he would have needed his boss's presence to be embarrassed.

There is nothing in it for the secretary to be embarrassed.

hamidm: what about the mullah-growing factory? any thoughts on that?

Re: # 90

zyxius,

... we are not talking about killing people, we are talking about killing mullahs .....

#75 Kuntakinte
#79 Hamidm

You guys are saying stuff on the net that can pretty much get people locked up nowadays...talking about killing mass numbers of people in Pakistan...and you say that Mullahs are extremists?!!