Imran Khan November 15, 2007
#25 Posted by majumdar on November 15, 2007 9:40:24 pm
Laddu,
(As an idolator my nukes are ready for you!! )
A better, cheaper and more eco-friendly option would be to set up convents all along the GT Road from Wagah to Panipat!!!
Regards
(As an idolator my nukes are ready for you!! )
A better, cheaper and more eco-friendly option would be to set up convents all along the GT Road from Wagah to Panipat!!!
Regards
#24 Posted by laddu on November 15, 2007 9:35:48 pm
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#23 Posted by tahmed32 on November 15, 2007 9:31:09 pm
anil #12 You write that you told Imran Khan "Use your strengths where you can make the difference, and bring the World Cup of female empowerment, education reforms to Pakistan."
I too had the opportunity to meet him once. Interestingly enough, I had exactly the same (unsolicited) advice to give him as you did, except I phrased it as a question (i.e. why not focus his energies on schools and hospitals rather than politics). His answer was that in order to get anything done in Pakistan you have to be politically strong - not a convincing answer, as Edhi's example as proved.
Having said that - I think he is right on in joining in this struggle. This struggle for democracy is not politics as usual. It is in the same league as education or health - i.e. working for a better future. That is why so many people who are least interested in Pakistanis politics (Human Rights Workers, Lawyers, Expats, and even non-Pakistanis like Jemima Khan in UK and the Americal legal community) have been inspired by the Chief Justice, the true Horatio at the bridge.
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I too had the opportunity to meet him once. Interestingly enough, I had exactly the same (unsolicited) advice to give him as you did, except I phrased it as a question (i.e. why not focus his energies on schools and hospitals rather than politics). His answer was that in order to get anything done in Pakistan you have to be politically strong - not a convincing answer, as Edhi's example as proved.
Having said that - I think he is right on in joining in this struggle. This struggle for democracy is not politics as usual. It is in the same league as education or health - i.e. working for a better future. That is why so many people who are least interested in Pakistanis politics (Human Rights Workers, Lawyers, Expats, and even non-Pakistanis like Jemima Khan in UK and the Americal legal community) have been inspired by the Chief Justice, the true Horatio at the bridge.
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#22 Posted by harish_hyd on November 15, 2007 9:20:22 pm
Imran Khan is a truly courageous Paki as events in the last few days have proved. May god give him the strength and will to overcome this tough period.
#21 Posted by viqarm on November 15, 2007 9:10:21 pm
Re: # 20 HP
You are entitled to your opinion. This is a free country.
You are entitled to your opinion. This is a free country.
#20 Posted by HP on November 15, 2007 9:04:43 pm
"You mean that it should be allowed to remain a cesspool?", remarked Maudoodi ...
Maudoodi sure was part of the cesspool.
#19 Posted by HP on November 15, 2007 9:03:15 pm
Ras,
It is unfortunate when we hear from relatively educated that people should stay away from politics. Politics in its true sense is a public service like any other social service. Imran khan feels that he can serve Pakistan better by taking part in politics.
Instead of supporting people like Imran who stand up to these goons, you end up supporting the goons when you advise Imran to not take epart in Politics.
There have been widespread condemnation of Islami Jamiat all over the Net and in Pakistan. I think he is doing his part as a Pakistani. We may not agree with his political views but then how many we agree with anyway.
It is unfortunate when we hear from relatively educated that people should stay away from politics. Politics in its true sense is a public service like any other social service. Imran khan feels that he can serve Pakistan better by taking part in politics.
Instead of supporting people like Imran who stand up to these goons, you end up supporting the goons when you advise Imran to not take epart in Politics.
There have been widespread condemnation of Islami Jamiat all over the Net and in Pakistan. I think he is doing his part as a Pakistani. We may not agree with his political views but then how many we agree with anyway.
#18 Posted by viqarm on November 15, 2007 8:58:20 pm
I can't remember where I read this but, apparently, during the heady days of uprising against him, Ayub Khan had Maudoodi pulled off somewhere around Pindi, while on a trip, and had him hauled to the President's House. Counselling him patronizingly on the errors of the ways of the politicians, he earnestly offered: "politics is a dirty cesspool Maulana Sahib. It is not for people like you".
"You mean that it should be allowed to remain a cesspool?", remarked Maudoodi ...
"You mean that it should be allowed to remain a cesspool?", remarked Maudoodi ...
#17 Posted by Ras on November 15, 2007 8:43:07 pm
I have a great deal of respect for Khan Sahib.
Have had the opportunity to cover a number of
his visits to Northern California over the years.
The only wish I have had is that he would stay away
from Pakistani politics and continue on with his mission
to improve Pakistan's Cricket Team, Build Hospitals and
work to improve the lives of Pakistani youth.
To step into the cesspool of Pak politics, you have to
have a thick skin and (now) a bullet/bomb proof vehicle.
You have to have "Jiyalas" who are ready to answer your
call. You have to be able to play in the dirt.
And most important of all, you have to have a party
behind you which can win elections.
These ingredients are still missing and the TI just
cannot measure up today.
The best thing for Khan Sahib to do at present is to
join a mainstream party and try to reform things from
inside.
Best of luck to Imran Khan, the builder of hospitals
and inspirer of Pakistani youth.
I am still not sure if politics is your game!
Ras
#16 Posted by HP on November 15, 2007 8:21:37 pm
Imran is still going through the grinds. JI and its sister organizations are infested with ISI and police agents. They form the backbone of alquaeeda. Infact, alqaueeda is the other name of Jamaat Islami.
The islamists and the army are together again. The farce is now over. Any one can see that battle in Pakistan is now between the liberal, moderate on one side and the islamist on the other side. Just check out the pictures of the protesters. How many beard you see there? Women and girls are out.Lets duke it out and reclaim Pakistan from these goons of Madrasah and Masjid.
"It is a grave sin to murder idolators and mushriques."
What is grave about it? Why idolaters are afraid of fighting back? Why do they need to beg for their life? I have seen imbecile but India really has them thook kay bhaov.
The islamists and the army are together again. The farce is now over. Any one can see that battle in Pakistan is now between the liberal, moderate on one side and the islamist on the other side. Just check out the pictures of the protesters. How many beard you see there? Women and girls are out.Lets duke it out and reclaim Pakistan from these goons of Madrasah and Masjid.
"It is a grave sin to murder idolators and mushriques."
What is grave about it? Why idolaters are afraid of fighting back? Why do they need to beg for their life? I have seen imbecile but India really has them thook kay bhaov.
#15 Posted by laddu on November 15, 2007 8:09:22 pm
Re: # 13
Sure, re-claiming the "lost muslim land" of kashmir would enable Islamic TNT to re-affirm it's success as the ideology of Pakistan!!
Sure, re-claiming the "lost muslim land" of kashmir would enable Islamic TNT to re-affirm it's success as the ideology of Pakistan!!
#14 Posted by tahmed32 on November 15, 2007 8:05:14 pm
madani: How can you talk of freeing kashmir when all Pakistan is occupied and Pakistanis are killing Pakistanis?
God bless (or whatever) your enlightened moderate general who doesnt want to be President but is being forced by his blunt speaking underlings to remain in power. :-(
Good morning and good day to you too.
God bless (or whatever) your enlightened moderate general who doesnt want to be President but is being forced by his blunt speaking underlings to remain in power. :-(
Good morning and good day to you too.
#13 Posted by ahmedmadani on November 15, 2007 7:52:10 pm
It is sad all leaders are not saying a world about kashmir, not even world. This kind of things lead to defacto agreeing to Kashmir staus under indian occupation. BB , NS, Big KHan, Fulzur R, all PML(Quiad) not a single word. Everybody know if real democracy has to come then Kashmir question solved acceptable by state of pakistan as without that war is 300% coming. Till that question is not sold due idealogical nature of fromation of pakistan and as defender of faith army can not go back as then its is constant warfare going on. As a protector of pakistan their main and foremost interest is survival of pakistan not constitutrion which is nonperforming document and in that sense it has not done it is supposed to do.
It is sad all have forgotten Kashmir or it is already written of after military success and deplomatic debacle of Kargil little action. We have no possible chance of democracy unless kahmir question is SETTLED for ever. Either all investment of of 60 years and great sacrafice made by people are and were waste or we should have new leadesrship which will raise army and inspire army for final encounter with india and solve problem , no point in prolonging agiony of k people and pakistani people and nation. Now army is ALWAYS ( non officers) against any war against indian terrorists or home bred terrorists. Now one should not blame poor farmers punjabi as he wants to avoid war , as what he expects ? Any glory of riding on tank and entering Srinagar he is not interested in tha he just hope will be back alive. So We should support any leader who will inspire this young man to fight and sacrafice with kashmir in hand with "rivers" in safe control India can can be trated magnomiously and given little of Jammu to allow yhem go back home. In long term till kashmir problem solved its all worthless to work for democracy as it will not exist. Good morning and good day.
It is sad all have forgotten Kashmir or it is already written of after military success and deplomatic debacle of Kargil little action. We have no possible chance of democracy unless kahmir question is SETTLED for ever. Either all investment of of 60 years and great sacrafice made by people are and were waste or we should have new leadesrship which will raise army and inspire army for final encounter with india and solve problem , no point in prolonging agiony of k people and pakistani people and nation. Now army is ALWAYS ( non officers) against any war against indian terrorists or home bred terrorists. Now one should not blame poor farmers punjabi as he wants to avoid war , as what he expects ? Any glory of riding on tank and entering Srinagar he is not interested in tha he just hope will be back alive. So We should support any leader who will inspire this young man to fight and sacrafice with kashmir in hand with "rivers" in safe control India can can be trated magnomiously and given little of Jammu to allow yhem go back home. In long term till kashmir problem solved its all worthless to work for democracy as it will not exist. Good morning and good day.
#12 Posted by anil on November 15, 2007 7:06:10 pm
Khan sahib:
You have always managed to be in the news, however private you, your affairs or involvment had been. Therefore, I have been able to follow, atleast what came out in the press, from your and my student days in England.
I have seen you on the pitch, when you stubbornly stayed on the pitch, fully knowing you were clearly out to the best of you, when you raised and created a wondeful hospital in your mothes's name - I contributed when you came to Silicon Valley Banker's club.
Your mother too, would wish you to do where you can make the difference, cricket charity. I might add bringing changes in Pakistan through female empowerment, education reforms and improving economny.
Politics is not your forte. Use your strengths where you can make the difference, and bring the World Cup of female empowerment, education reforms to Pakistan.
I hope you are reading.
You have always managed to be in the news, however private you, your affairs or involvment had been. Therefore, I have been able to follow, atleast what came out in the press, from your and my student days in England.
I have seen you on the pitch, when you stubbornly stayed on the pitch, fully knowing you were clearly out to the best of you, when you raised and created a wondeful hospital in your mothes's name - I contributed when you came to Silicon Valley Banker's club.
Your mother too, would wish you to do where you can make the difference, cricket charity. I might add bringing changes in Pakistan through female empowerment, education reforms and improving economny.
Politics is not your forte. Use your strengths where you can make the difference, and bring the World Cup of female empowerment, education reforms to Pakistan.
I hope you are reading.
#11 Posted by laddu on November 15, 2007 6:37:29 pm
"Urging the Students to Take the Path of Jehad and Shahadat-
The themes of Jehad and Shahadat clearly distinguish the pre- and post-1979 educational contents. There was no mention of these in the pre-Islamization period curricula and textbooks, and the post-1979 curricula and textbooks openly eulogize Jehad and Shahadat and urge students to become mujahids and martyrs.
The following examples illustrate the point.
Learning Outcome: Recognize the importance of Jehad in every sphere of life116
Learning outcome: Must be aware of the blessings of Jehad 117
Must be aware of the blessings of Jehad, and must create yearning for Jehad in his heart.118
Concept: Jehad; Affective objective: Aspiration for Jehad 119
Love and aspiration for Jehad, Tableegh (Prosyletization), Jehad, Shahadat "
-The State of
Curricula and Textbooks
in Pakistan
Making Imran Khan as a khalifa would hardly change Pakistan because the roots of Pakistani turmoil emerge from JEHAD which is taught to every Pakistani child.
The themes of Jehad and Shahadat clearly distinguish the pre- and post-1979 educational contents. There was no mention of these in the pre-Islamization period curricula and textbooks, and the post-1979 curricula and textbooks openly eulogize Jehad and Shahadat and urge students to become mujahids and martyrs.
The following examples illustrate the point.
Learning Outcome: Recognize the importance of Jehad in every sphere of life116
Learning outcome: Must be aware of the blessings of Jehad 117
Must be aware of the blessings of Jehad, and must create yearning for Jehad in his heart.118
Concept: Jehad; Affective objective: Aspiration for Jehad 119
Love and aspiration for Jehad, Tableegh (Prosyletization), Jehad, Shahadat "
-The State of
Curricula and Textbooks
in Pakistan
Making Imran Khan as a khalifa would hardly change Pakistan because the roots of Pakistani turmoil emerge from JEHAD which is taught to every Pakistani child.
#10 Posted by laddu on November 15, 2007 6:22:01 pm
Imran Khan if you can repeat with me-
"It is a grave sin to murder idolators and mushriques. Jehad against idolators is wrong. It the greatest sin to loot and take idolators as slaves. "
Then I would think that you have a sense of civilization and humanity left in you!!!
"It is a grave sin to murder idolators and mushriques. Jehad against idolators is wrong. It the greatest sin to loot and take idolators as slaves. "
Then I would think that you have a sense of civilization and humanity left in you!!!
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