Pakistan at War

ras ["Jab Tuk Pakistan Rahay Ga, Bhutto Tera Naam Rahay Ga"]

some people who left Pakistan in the 70s are still frozen in the 1970s. Pakistan has moved on since then. At the minimum it is an indication of their stagnant and ghetto-ish mind which has frozen in time. Or perhaps they engage in these meaningless 70s era slogans because it reminds them of their long lost youth.

but yes, bhutto will be remembered for as long as Pakistan exists - for he was one of those responsible for breaking it up in 1971.

Re: #32 hamidm sahib, please let the dog bark!

Re: The dog #28 & #31 this message was not for you but once again for your benefit:


For Benazir Bhutto:


"Jab Tuk Pakistan Rahay Ga

Bhutto Tera Naam Rahay Ga"


BB does not listen to my advice
but I hope that she gets this message anyway.

By the way, did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed
this morning kunta?

Re: # 34

ras sahib,

.... even though i do not share your enthusiasm for benazir, it is a fact that ppp is a legitimate political party with strong grass root support ..... hopefully, she has learned a lesson from her past misadventures and will be more democratic and less corrupt..... i also hope that she will dump zardari soon - the man is a huge liability and is not a good role model for her children ....

....... other than that, i hope pml-n and ppp can form a coalition government and reach some kind of understanding with mqm in karachi ...... they can then ship qazi and fazloo to guantanamo, make imran khan the president of the cricket control board, throw chaudary shujaat husain in jail for stealing cattle, and make pervez welahi the sho of tibbi thana where he can collect bhatta from the ladies of heera mandi ........

#30 Posted by hamidm2

"lagda aye jarnail assab pohntra gaya nay!" ... i hope negroponte tried to slap some sense into him .......”

Hahaha!
As they would say in Lalo khet, Karachi. “Abey musaraf Churi kay neechay murghay ki terah pharphra-riya hai !

Mushy is not a bad guy, really! He has merely reached the terminal stage of all dictators - thinking that (1) he is indispensable, (2) he and only he has all the right ideas, (3) the hand-picked sycophants around him provide good counsel,(4) the world opinion does not matter, and (5) the US will stand by him, no matter what.

None of the above are true, of course.

Re: # 27 This is reason to get max benefits by general. General has cornered USA and its army. If their lifeline is gas and Pakistan can squeeze american jugler , gas and service provided by Pakistan. This is time to squeeze America force them to deliver Kashmir to pakistan just as Surbia was bombed in to submission by usa bomber. Force USA to act against India and force them India into Submissiom and give back Kashmir to Pakistan. At same time make USA forced Puppet man Karzai to agree to Durand line and two birds can be killed in one stone. This gamble and need to be paid to get Kashmir and acceptance of Durand Line, it is better gamble than making open war on india to snatch Kashmir.

#34 Ras

"For Benazir Bhutto:

Jab Tuk Pakistan Rahay Ga

Bhutto Tera Naam Rahay Ga

BB does not listen to my advice
but I hope that she gets this message anyway."

You hope she gets this message.....what are you delusional? I guess that kind of explains what world you live in.

As far as the first part of your statement goes, she probably would have been happy for you to be part of the human shield outside her bomb proof bus at her welcome back party.

I am stunned that anyone with a little education and half a brain would be so stupid and subservient as to say
"Jab Tuk Pakistan Rahay Ga

Bhutto Tera Naam Rahay Ga"

How fucking revolting!

Why don't you start a petition to have the country renamed in their honor and the constitution re-written, not just to allow for a 3rd term, but to declare the office fit for Bhuttos only. You are a fucking slave man.

#32 - Hey H,

I've been noticing some of your posts and you are definitely not the guy who gets to give that speech; you have more red flags than anyone else on this site. With my flare for diplomacy though, I'm sure you and I will be neck and neck pretty soon...whaddaya think R-ASS?

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RE: # 34 hamid mian

You are correct in questioning BB's past but as you have

mentioned already, the PPP is a REAL part with REAL support

in Pakistan.

On the other hand I am not overly critical of General

Musharraf either. He has not been a tough dictator and

has only recently been making a series of mistakes.

The hope was that there could be some kind of understanding

between BB and the General (PM) to make room for Mian Nawaz

Sharif to return also because elections without both

BB and Nawaz would not exactly be fair in the democratic

sense.

I like democracy because I live in a democratic country

(watch masadi get all worked up).

This "Democratic Wave" has the same forces behind it as

the "Dictatorial Wave" of the hypocritical past. But in any

case, the inclusion of the people is important in Pakistani

decision-making today. I just hope that the General will

listen.

I am not gloating over his difficulties today. I wish him

well and congratulate Shaukat Aziz whom we all

affectionately call "Shortcut" for a job well done.

It is time for PM to ride the democratic wave and not fight

it. And there is no reason to call for his blood.

The man deserves our respect for making several right

decisions till March 07. The last November 3rd decision was

plain bad.


RE: #33 malik99

You are half right. I have been away too long and am too

old now anyway to be taken seriously. I saw ZAB pick up the

pieces of "The New Pakistan" and then left the country.

The PPP on the other hand is a genuine party with quite a

following. I wish that Imran had that kind of a vote bank

so we could have him lead the democratic wave today too.

Benazir and Nawaz both have large vote banks. Let us hope

that they are not into revenge politics and that the

democratic transition can happen with Kiani leading the

uniforms.

Like I have written before, I do not have a champion in

Pakistan. I am not even a has been there. But I do support

the PPP because it has survived this long along

with its genuine vote bank.

My sights are actually on elections in the USA next year.

Ras

The writer has rightly seen the axis of evil that is ripping apart the soul of Pakistani nation: Al Qaeda-Taliban! To this, however, must also be added the invasion of the Roman and Assyrian Empires by barbarian tribes. In the latter case, the state came as a result of its overstretch and indulgence in foreign wars -- thus leaving important flanks open -- came tumbling down by the ambush of the evil tribes.

A similar distraction from the core issue of the security of the state is currently seen in Pakistan due to the power-hunger of Gen. Musharraf resulting in the overstretch of the military machine. The battle of ideologies has apparently and understandably been won by the nihilistic armies of AlQaeda-Taliban which are no different than the Gog and Magog with their deep-seated hatred of modernity which must be eliminated before they eliminate the civilization!

The religious parties in Pakistan have been quite naively condoning the spread of ´Sharia` by the Gog and Magog not knowing that what is being spread by these monsters in not any religious law but barbarianism. They must’ve the foresight to see that danger that these ´Khawarajeens` of our time pose to civilization and consequently must declare total jihad against them. One can't and shouldn’t overlook here the connection between the Talibans and the Pashtun man’s psychology which remains backward looking and fearing any change in the tribal culture. But the majority of Pakistan remains alien to this barbarian culture and therefore the total war against the armies of evil must be unleashed. The battle is not to be won by the paramilitary forces -- as has been correctly suggested by the author – but by the professionally trained military. The fact that these monsters have no respect for life gives the Pakistani state to even use bio-chemical weapons against these barbarians – to fulfil their desire of ´Shahada` and to save the costly lives of Pakistani soldiers.

"he Pakistan military, a considerably more formidable foe has not yet been brought into full play."

It may be a more formidable foe but bringing it into full play also won't be without risk. When an army whose motto is "jihad in the name of Allah" is asked to face those who are known to be fighting for that very cause, it would put tremendous stress on the discipline of the army. The security forces people who surrendered without a fight did not do so because they lacked weapons or discipline or for the incentive of receiving Rs. 500.

"The boy tackled the roti by first nibbling at its crisp circumference. He would then presumably make forays into the soft centre to pick up a boorki (morsel)."

What if Roti were inflamable? And got heated up burst into flames? Then boy could burn to death. No?

Re: # 44

You're sooo right Dost_Mittre.

In life, we have to be carefull what we say, because chickens do come home to roost. I hope, for the sake of the innocent, that this period passes by without too much termoil.

I think in Pakistan, as in many other places, the time to do some soul searching has come. You cannot feed the snake on your neighbors lawn because you hate your neighbor. That snake could turn around and enter your own yard. I don't know how long it will take for every individual to know that LIVE AND LET LIVE is in his own best interest, matterially and spritually.

Just forget it. General Kiani is taking over the rule from the current idiot, and the nukes are safe, and the aid package from the US will continue. And our mad masadi will continue getting under hamid’s skin with his us elite, and we will continue to have fun at chowk.

BB’s deal with mushy will become null and void, and kiyani will create his own farce for the next few years. After all kiyani is from the ISI. Who else could safegaurd the most important Pakistani assets?

Re: # 47

kiyani is sending jehadis to india to divert attention- india please watch out - the jehad is going to increase!!