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I am only speaking for the legacy of चन्द्रकीर्ति that was lost in Nalanda...........Al Beruni means nothing to me........

Re: # 68

Dear Maharana

You are quoting wikipedia and you will also be knowing about its basic premise that it is always open to re-interpretation and new ideas. i am in a country where i can not access Wikipedia otherwise i would ahev read this source, but I believe in this as you have said .
If you have not read Al-Beruni's Al Hind and other books on sciences then there is no need to discuss it further.

as to refer to the eevnt in the life of holy Prophet peace be upon him can you quote the exact place and exact temple which was destroyed despite promising otherwise?

As to abrahamic religions I presented an evolutionary perspective , you have rigth to differ as I have right to my own opinion. But hte question of facts, and realities, If certain people did a bad thing in certain circumstances; then how it becomes a role that all people belonging to that idea or creed were responsible for the same act?

History is not religion !



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Re: # 65

"Who preserved and translated indain texts Akbar"

What Pakistani propaganda!!

Akbar "preserved" Indian texts?? Which texts are you talking about?? Ramayana, Veda, Upanishads, Jinna Granths, Tripitakas, Sahitya, Kalidas, Aryabhatt. Charaka ??? Which text do you give Akbar the credit for "preservation"????

Re: # 63

"there is saying of Holy Prophet peace eb upon him the ink of scholar is sacred tahn blood of hundreds of martyrs! (Hadith) "

Err, Sir, Please , could you provide me the right source for this Hadiths??

Mahfari,
In your excitement please don't post the same thing over and over.

Mahfari,

Your post reveals a bias impossible to bridge with facts. Posidonius from Greece had already developed a way to measure earth's circumference. Alberuni did nothing original. He took the indian numerals and later the same were spread as arabic numerals. This is what a simple search in wikipedia will give you about nalanda ,

"In 1193, the Nalanda University suffered a final blow after the complex was sacked by Muslim armies[18] under Bakhtiyar Khilji; this event is seen as a milestone in the decline of Buddhism in India."

You are free to assume that no muslim was involved in it. As far as Bin Qasim is concerned, try and remember that for administration of iraq even the US had to turn back to the old baathists. The truce they have made with them has ensured peace. Bin Qasim's attempt to run Sindh by the help of locals cannot be taken as an act of mercy. He needed them.

I do not wish to offend you again, but you are quoting me abrahamic texts showing tolerance and mercy. Unfortunately, the acts in the name of faith that have beeen commited are just the reverse. I have not forgotten the calls for decapitation of salman rushdie for mentioning some historical facts about temple destruction in arabia during the times of the prophet of Quran. Is it a historical fact that a temple was destroyed by your prophet after pledging just the reverse? And if so then how does it show tolerance towards others. Why should his followers not walk in the same footsteps?
What kind of objectivity can you bring in this discussion of temple destruction anywhere but a sense of bigotry.

I do not believe that issues of religion can ever be discussed objectively. Destruction of temples and universities done by anyone in whatever name cannot be judged by any historian objectively. The perpetrators will always claim innocence under some pretext. But the bottom line is intolerance towards any other view but their own.

Adios

Re: # 59

"All things in heaven and earth are His. "

He must have a title ship deed signed in his favour for the ownership......err by the way can he sell the heavens and earth as well to his friend satan??

Re: # 62 Violence unprovoked is condemnable!In Quran it is explicitly said killing o one person is killing of humanity!

Re: # 60 Probably ????????? Be certain dear! It were Muslims who secured the old knowledge of ancient folks! scholars are all respectable irrespective of their faith and creed!

there is saying of Holy Prophet peace eb upon him the ink of scholar is sacred tahn blood of hundreds of martyrs! (Hadith) scholars are always great and I am with you on the loss of all teh human heritage lost under wars intentionally or otherwise!
Al_ Beruni save dthe knowledge of Indai, If he was not there , we would have lost glorious record of those times and a real loss to humanity indeed it would have been!

who gave the wolrd Zero, from India , Muslims! Who translated great works of Indian wisdom Muslims in Baghdad, Who preserved and translated indain texts Akbar , who preserved the Ashoka Column in Delhi one of Tughlaq Kings!
And zealots are never momeenens , they are prisoners of theri own delusions, but on the false undestadning of religion!

Re: # 60 Probably ????????? Be certain dear! It were Muslims who secured the old knowledge of ancient folks! scholars are all respectable irrespective of their faith and creed!

there is saying of Holy Prophet peace eb upon him the ink of scholar is sacred tahn blood of hundreds of martyrs! (Hadith) scholars are always great and I am with you on the loss of all teh human heritage lost under wars intentionally or otherwise!
Al_ Beruni save dthe knowledge of Indai, If he was not there , we would have lost glorious record of those times and a real loss to humanity indeed it would have been!

who gave the wolrd Zero, from India , Muslims! Who translated great works of Indian wisdom Muslims in Baghdad, Who preserved and translated indain texts Akbar , who preserved the Ashoka Column in Delhi one of Tughlaq Kings!
And zealots are never momeenens , they are prisoners of theri own delusions, but on the false undestadning of religion!

Re: # 60 Probably ????????? Be certain dear! It were Muslims who secured the old knowledge of ancient folks! scholars are all respectable irrespective of their faith and creed!

there is saying of Holy Prophet peace eb upon him the ink of scholar is sacred tahn blood of hundreds of martyrs! (Hadith) scholars are always great and I am with you on the loss of all teh human heritage lost under wars intentionally or otherwise!
Al_ Beruni save dthe knowledge of Indai, If he was not there , we would have lost glorious record of those times and a real loss to humanity indeed it would have been!

who gave the wolrd Zero, from India , Muslims! Who translated great works of Indian wisdom Muslims in Baghdad, Who preserved and translated indain texts Akbar , who preserved the Ashoka Column in Delhi one of Tughlaq Kings!
And zealots are never momeenens , they are prisoners of theri own delusions, but on the false undestadning of religion!

Re: # 58

"The text quoted by you is not to prove this point which you are raising ,"

Despite giving you the source as well as extracts of that Nalanda-genocide by zealot momeens bent upon converting every one and looting and killing kafirs, you act like a typical Islamist denying that the event ever occurred!!

How can you be so blind despite the evidence thrown at you......

Re: # 59

"God, the Most High, speaks the truth."

But maulavi shaheb isn't your God the "best deceiver."......that means he must be lying as well in order to decive idolators like me....so their goes the credibility of your God about speaking the truths!!!!

I do not care about Al-Beruni, I only respect and care about the legacy of the great scholar Chandrakirti whose works were probably destroyed by the zealot momeens in the attack on Nalanda!!!

Dear People!

There is no God but One God. I invite you to recognize Him and thus find your salvation. Let me introduce Him to you. God! There is no God but He, the Living, the Self-subsisting, the Eternal. No slumber can seize Him, nor sleep. All things in heaven and earth are His. Who could intercede in His presence without His permission? He knows what appears in front of (the future or the hidden) and behind (the past and undisclosed) His creatures. Nor can they (His creatures) encompass any knowledge of Him except what he wills. His throne extends over the heavens and the earth, and He feels no fatigue in guarding and preserving them, for He is the Highest and Most Exalted.

God, the Most High, speaks the truth.

Re: # 57 read it carefully within context . dont take words out of context. In histroy nothing is perfect and for Muslims except Prophets peace eb upon them , no one is perfect or innocent. From this fundamental belief flew the tradition of writing truth. Why did Indra Gandhi attacked Golden Temple? Should we say after this that Gandhi destroyed all sikh Gurdewaras! Search truth not incomplete truth! A sporadic example at any place can not become a rule to assert its authenticity. Exceptions do,nt make rules!

The text quoted by you is not to prove this point which you are raising , it aims to show the histroical understanding and importance of place NALANDA as the place of wisdom and its realtionship with knowledge. why did Al Beruni chose this very place? Think and come out of sand Dear Laddu!