Search for Origins of Mahayana Buddhism
mahmood Mahmood November 17, 2007
#57 Posted by laddu on December 5, 2007 9:31:41 am
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"..( the place mentioned and propagated as the desruction point by some persons as an example of destruction of religious places),..."
How long would momeens act like ostriches??? Read history .read "Tawakat-i-Nasiri"........read Quran and Hadiths like Buddha would have wanted you to read and not like a blind mullah........for god sake and open your eyes to this cult of hate???
"..( the place mentioned and propagated as the desruction point by some persons as an example of destruction of religious places),..."
How long would momeens act like ostriches??? Read history .read "Tawakat-i-Nasiri"........read Quran and Hadiths like Buddha would have wanted you to read and not like a blind mullah........for god sake and open your eyes to this cult of hate???
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#56 Posted by mahfari on December 5, 2007 9:30:39 am
Re: # 50 This shows the belief of followers of Buddha and treats Him as Ultimate Truth which he never asserted or declared! did He ?
#55 Posted by mahfari on December 5, 2007 9:27:54 am
Re: # 50 sorry the interact is ebing sent too many times! not my intention and desire!computer glitch!
#54 Posted by mahfari on December 5, 2007 9:26:17 am
Re: # 43 If you have in deatail the Kitab al Hind of Al beruni , then you will be knowing that in the portion on calender he has calculated the periods of Kalyug, and related periods.
As far as his interest fro mathematics is concerned he measured the cirumference of earth at Nalanda ( the place mentioned and propagated as the desruction point by some persons as an example of destruction of religious places) and hsi measurement is more than 98% correct as comapred to present measurements!
He has written many treatise on the subject of mathematics and he was himslef a great mathmeticain of his times!
it was not Church history, it was histrory of highest standard in those times read the original texts of those times and they will tell that how histroy is written . they did,nt spare any one and all were not official historians and comapring these with church histroy is like comapring apples with turnips!
it was not tradition of civilized people to destroy religious places, but of least civilized ones ,and yes all times had such breeds ! But it was not a rule to be followed.
As to Abrahamic faiths there is great difference between the Quran and other extant texts of sacred nature. take example even in Quran it is mentioned that when Suleman AS (the famous for Hekel-e =Sulemani ) 's forces passed through a jungle the ants said change your path suleman the Great AS's forces come. But when the forces of Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be UPon HIm) passed near a nest of doves He peace be upon him said change the path and it was changed and dove nests were kept intact.
In Old Testament there punishment of wiping out for the enemies and they did it in those times but at teh tiem of conquest of Makkah the worst enemies of Muhamamd peace be upon him and Islam were pardoned ! There was a visible cahnge wrought by ideas and messages of Holy prophet peace be upon him and Holy quran and it was there and its impact is still here.
The present bigotry, hatred and violence on the name of Islam and human libverty and freedom is not sanctioned by Islam and Allah's messangers peace be upon them. they are serving theri interests whther it was 9/11 or other related acts of killing innocent people .
The search fro truth is not paved with roses alone, it has thorns of truth andrealities also!
Who were the Sindhi people who welcomed Muhamamd Bin Qasim , why were all the old officials of administrative departemnts were kept intact by Muhamamd Bin Qasim?
why Hindus after his death made hsi idols and worshipped him?
where did Buddhists went after coming of Islam in India? They were never forced . delusionsand illusions are not histroy. it is search for truth and truth nad nothing else ... although it is not always conducive to our personal beliefs and egos!
the greatest test of truth is reason, use it and discern trtuh as sadi by Rumi RA that use light of reason and knowledge and discern from fals and true!
It is not dogma it is a dynamic and ever creative struggle!
As far as his interest fro mathematics is concerned he measured the cirumference of earth at Nalanda ( the place mentioned and propagated as the desruction point by some persons as an example of destruction of religious places) and hsi measurement is more than 98% correct as comapred to present measurements!
He has written many treatise on the subject of mathematics and he was himslef a great mathmeticain of his times!
it was not Church history, it was histrory of highest standard in those times read the original texts of those times and they will tell that how histroy is written . they did,nt spare any one and all were not official historians and comapring these with church histroy is like comapring apples with turnips!
it was not tradition of civilized people to destroy religious places, but of least civilized ones ,and yes all times had such breeds ! But it was not a rule to be followed.
As to Abrahamic faiths there is great difference between the Quran and other extant texts of sacred nature. take example even in Quran it is mentioned that when Suleman AS (the famous for Hekel-e =Sulemani ) 's forces passed through a jungle the ants said change your path suleman the Great AS's forces come. But when the forces of Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be UPon HIm) passed near a nest of doves He peace be upon him said change the path and it was changed and dove nests were kept intact.
In Old Testament there punishment of wiping out for the enemies and they did it in those times but at teh tiem of conquest of Makkah the worst enemies of Muhamamd peace be upon him and Islam were pardoned ! There was a visible cahnge wrought by ideas and messages of Holy prophet peace be upon him and Holy quran and it was there and its impact is still here.
The present bigotry, hatred and violence on the name of Islam and human libverty and freedom is not sanctioned by Islam and Allah's messangers peace be upon them. they are serving theri interests whther it was 9/11 or other related acts of killing innocent people .
The search fro truth is not paved with roses alone, it has thorns of truth andrealities also!
Who were the Sindhi people who welcomed Muhamamd Bin Qasim , why were all the old officials of administrative departemnts were kept intact by Muhamamd Bin Qasim?
why Hindus after his death made hsi idols and worshipped him?
where did Buddhists went after coming of Islam in India? They were never forced . delusionsand illusions are not histroy. it is search for truth and truth nad nothing else ... although it is not always conducive to our personal beliefs and egos!
the greatest test of truth is reason, use it and discern trtuh as sadi by Rumi RA that use light of reason and knowledge and discern from fals and true!
It is not dogma it is a dynamic and ever creative struggle!
#53 Posted by mahfari on December 5, 2007 9:25:57 am
Re: # 43 If you have in deatail the Kitab al Hind of Al beruni , then you will be knowing that in the portion on calender he has calculated the periods of Kalyug, and related periods.
As far as his interest fro mathematics is concerned he measured the cirumference of earth at Nalanda ( the place mentioned and propagated as the desruction point by some persons as an example of destruction of religious places) and hsi measurement is more than 98% correct as comapred to present measurements!
He has written many treatise on the subject of mathematics and he was himslef a great mathmeticain of his times!
it was not Church history, it was histrory of highest standard in those times read the original texts of those times and they will tell that how histroy is written . they did,nt spare any one and all were not official historians and comapring these with church histroy is like comapring apples with turnips!
it was not tradition of civilized people to destroy religious places, but of least civilized ones ,and yes all times had such breeds ! But it was not a rule to be followed.
As to Abrahamic faiths there is great difference between the Quran and other extant texts of sacred nature. take example even in Quran it is mentioned that when Suleman AS (the famous for Hekel-e =Sulemani ) 's forces passed through a jungle the ants said change your path suleman the Great AS's forces come. But when the forces of Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be UPon HIm) passed near a nest of doves He peace be upon him said change the path and it was changed and dove nests were kept intact.
In Old Testament there punishment of wiping out for the enemies and they did it in those times but at teh tiem of conquest of Makkah the worst enemies of Muhamamd peace be upon him and Islam were pardoned ! There was a visible cahnge wrought by ideas and messages of Holy prophet peace be upon him and Holy quran and it was there and its impact is still here.
The present bigotry, hatred and violence on the name of Islam and human libverty and freedom is not sanctioned by Islam and Allah's messangers peace be upon them. they are serving theri interests whther it was 9/11 or other related acts of killing innocent people .
The search fro truth is not paved with roses alone, it has thorns of truth andrealities also!
Who were the Sindhi people who welcomed Muhamamd Bin Qasim , why were all the old officials of administrative departemnts were kept intact by Muhamamd Bin Qasim?
why Hindus after his death made hsi idols and worshipped him?
where did Buddhists went after coming of Islam in India? They were never forced . delusionsand illusions are not histroy. it is search for truth and truth nad nothing else ... although it is not always conducive to our personal beliefs and egos!
the greatest test of truth is reason, use it and discern trtuh as sadi by Rumi RA that use light of reason and knowledge and discern from fals and true!
It is not dogma it is a dynamic and ever creative struggle!
As far as his interest fro mathematics is concerned he measured the cirumference of earth at Nalanda ( the place mentioned and propagated as the desruction point by some persons as an example of destruction of religious places) and hsi measurement is more than 98% correct as comapred to present measurements!
He has written many treatise on the subject of mathematics and he was himslef a great mathmeticain of his times!
it was not Church history, it was histrory of highest standard in those times read the original texts of those times and they will tell that how histroy is written . they did,nt spare any one and all were not official historians and comapring these with church histroy is like comapring apples with turnips!
it was not tradition of civilized people to destroy religious places, but of least civilized ones ,and yes all times had such breeds ! But it was not a rule to be followed.
As to Abrahamic faiths there is great difference between the Quran and other extant texts of sacred nature. take example even in Quran it is mentioned that when Suleman AS (the famous for Hekel-e =Sulemani ) 's forces passed through a jungle the ants said change your path suleman the Great AS's forces come. But when the forces of Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be UPon HIm) passed near a nest of doves He peace be upon him said change the path and it was changed and dove nests were kept intact.
In Old Testament there punishment of wiping out for the enemies and they did it in those times but at teh tiem of conquest of Makkah the worst enemies of Muhamamd peace be upon him and Islam were pardoned ! There was a visible cahnge wrought by ideas and messages of Holy prophet peace be upon him and Holy quran and it was there and its impact is still here.
The present bigotry, hatred and violence on the name of Islam and human libverty and freedom is not sanctioned by Islam and Allah's messangers peace be upon them. they are serving theri interests whther it was 9/11 or other related acts of killing innocent people .
The search fro truth is not paved with roses alone, it has thorns of truth andrealities also!
Who were the Sindhi people who welcomed Muhamamd Bin Qasim , why were all the old officials of administrative departemnts were kept intact by Muhamamd Bin Qasim?
why Hindus after his death made hsi idols and worshipped him?
where did Buddhists went after coming of Islam in India? They were never forced . delusionsand illusions are not histroy. it is search for truth and truth nad nothing else ... although it is not always conducive to our personal beliefs and egos!
the greatest test of truth is reason, use it and discern trtuh as sadi by Rumi RA that use light of reason and knowledge and discern from fals and true!
It is not dogma it is a dynamic and ever creative struggle!
#52 Posted by mahfari on December 5, 2007 9:25:35 am
Re: # 43 If you have in deatail the Kitab al Hind of Al beruni , then you will be knowing that in the portion on calender he has calculated the periods of Kalyug, and related periods.
As far as his interest fro mathematics is concerned he measured the cirumference of earth at Nalanda ( the place mentioned and propagated as the desruction point by some persons as an example of destruction of religious places) and hsi measurement is more than 98% correct as comapred to present measurements!
He has written many treatise on the subject of mathematics and he was himslef a great mathmeticain of his times!
it was not Church history, it was histrory of highest standard in those times read the original texts of those times and they will tell that how histroy is written . they did,nt spare any one and all were not official historians and comapring these with church histroy is like comapring apples with turnips!
it was not tradition of civilized people to destroy religious places, but of least civilized ones ,and yes all times had such breeds ! But it was not a rule to be followed.
As to Abrahamic faiths there is great difference between the Quran and other extant texts of sacred nature. take example even in Quran it is mentioned that when Suleman AS (the famous for Hekel-e =Sulemani ) 's forces passed through a jungle the ants said change your path suleman the Great AS's forces come. But when the forces of Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be UPon HIm) passed near a nest of doves He peace be upon him said change the path and it was changed and dove nests were kept intact.
In Old Testament there punishment of wiping out for the enemies and they did it in those times but at teh tiem of conquest of Makkah the worst enemies of Muhamamd peace be upon him and Islam were pardoned ! There was a visible cahnge wrought by ideas and messages of Holy prophet peace be upon him and Holy quran and it was there and its impact is still here.
The present bigotry, hatred and violence on the name of Islam and human libverty and freedom is not sanctioned by Islam and Allah's messangers peace be upon them. they are serving theri interests whther it was 9/11 or other related acts of killing innocent people .
The search fro truth is not paved with roses alone, it has thorns of truth andrealities also!
Who were the Sindhi people who welcomed Muhamamd Bin Qasim , why were all the old officials of administrative departemnts were kept intact by Muhamamd Bin Qasim?
why Hindus after his death made hsi idols and worshipped him?
where did Buddhists went after coming of Islam in India? They were never forced . delusionsand illusions are not histroy. it is search for truth and truth nad nothing else ... although it is not always conducive to our personal beliefs and egos!
the greatest test of truth is reason, use it and discern trtuh as sadi by Rumi RA that use light of reason and knowledge and discern from fals and true!
It is not dogma it is a dynamic and ever creative struggle!
As far as his interest fro mathematics is concerned he measured the cirumference of earth at Nalanda ( the place mentioned and propagated as the desruction point by some persons as an example of destruction of religious places) and hsi measurement is more than 98% correct as comapred to present measurements!
He has written many treatise on the subject of mathematics and he was himslef a great mathmeticain of his times!
it was not Church history, it was histrory of highest standard in those times read the original texts of those times and they will tell that how histroy is written . they did,nt spare any one and all were not official historians and comapring these with church histroy is like comapring apples with turnips!
it was not tradition of civilized people to destroy religious places, but of least civilized ones ,and yes all times had such breeds ! But it was not a rule to be followed.
As to Abrahamic faiths there is great difference between the Quran and other extant texts of sacred nature. take example even in Quran it is mentioned that when Suleman AS (the famous for Hekel-e =Sulemani ) 's forces passed through a jungle the ants said change your path suleman the Great AS's forces come. But when the forces of Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be UPon HIm) passed near a nest of doves He peace be upon him said change the path and it was changed and dove nests were kept intact.
In Old Testament there punishment of wiping out for the enemies and they did it in those times but at teh tiem of conquest of Makkah the worst enemies of Muhamamd peace be upon him and Islam were pardoned ! There was a visible cahnge wrought by ideas and messages of Holy prophet peace be upon him and Holy quran and it was there and its impact is still here.
The present bigotry, hatred and violence on the name of Islam and human libverty and freedom is not sanctioned by Islam and Allah's messangers peace be upon them. they are serving theri interests whther it was 9/11 or other related acts of killing innocent people .
The search fro truth is not paved with roses alone, it has thorns of truth andrealities also!
Who were the Sindhi people who welcomed Muhamamd Bin Qasim , why were all the old officials of administrative departemnts were kept intact by Muhamamd Bin Qasim?
why Hindus after his death made hsi idols and worshipped him?
where did Buddhists went after coming of Islam in India? They were never forced . delusionsand illusions are not histroy. it is search for truth and truth nad nothing else ... although it is not always conducive to our personal beliefs and egos!
the greatest test of truth is reason, use it and discern trtuh as sadi by Rumi RA that use light of reason and knowledge and discern from fals and true!
It is not dogma it is a dynamic and ever creative struggle!
#51 Posted by mahfari on December 5, 2007 9:25:16 am
Re: # 43 If you have in deatail the Kitab al Hind of Al beruni , then you will be knowing that in the portion on calender he has calculated the periods of Kalyug, and related periods.
As far as his interest fro mathematics is concerned he measured the cirumference of earth at Nalanda ( the place mentioned and propagated as the desruction point by some persons as an example of destruction of religious places) and hsi measurement is more than 98% correct as comapred to present measurements!
He has written many treatise on the subject of mathematics and he was himslef a great mathmeticain of his times!
it was not Church history, it was histrory of highest standard in those times read the original texts of those times and they will tell that how histroy is written . they did,nt spare any one and all were not official historians and comapring these with church histroy is like comapring apples with turnips!
it was not tradition of civilized people to destroy religious places, but of least civilized ones ,and yes all times had such breeds ! But it was not a rule to be followed.
As to Abrahamic faiths there is great difference between the Quran and other extant texts of sacred nature. take example even in Quran it is mentioned that when Suleman AS (the famous for Hekel-e =Sulemani ) 's forces passed through a jungle the ants said change your path suleman the Great AS's forces come. But when the forces of Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be UPon HIm) passed near a nest of doves He peace be upon him said change the path and it was changed and dove nests were kept intact.
In Old Testament there punishment of wiping out for the enemies and they did it in those times but at teh tiem of conquest of Makkah the worst enemies of Muhamamd peace be upon him and Islam were pardoned ! There was a visible cahnge wrought by ideas and messages of Holy prophet peace be upon him and Holy quran and it was there and its impact is still here.
The present bigotry, hatred and violence on the name of Islam and human libverty and freedom is not sanctioned by Islam and Allah's messangers peace be upon them. they are serving theri interests whther it was 9/11 or other related acts of killing innocent people .
The search fro truth is not paved with roses alone, it has thorns of truth andrealities also!
Who were the Sindhi people who welcomed Muhamamd Bin Qasim , why were all the old officials of administrative departemnts were kept intact by Muhamamd Bin Qasim?
why Hindus after his death made hsi idols and worshipped him?
where did Buddhists went after coming of Islam in India? They were never forced . delusionsand illusions are not histroy. it is search for truth and truth nad nothing else ... although it is not always conducive to our personal beliefs and egos!
the greatest test of truth is reason, use it and discern trtuh as sadi by Rumi RA that use light of reason and knowledge and discern from fals and true!
It is not dogma it is a dynamic and ever creative struggle!
As far as his interest fro mathematics is concerned he measured the cirumference of earth at Nalanda ( the place mentioned and propagated as the desruction point by some persons as an example of destruction of religious places) and hsi measurement is more than 98% correct as comapred to present measurements!
He has written many treatise on the subject of mathematics and he was himslef a great mathmeticain of his times!
it was not Church history, it was histrory of highest standard in those times read the original texts of those times and they will tell that how histroy is written . they did,nt spare any one and all were not official historians and comapring these with church histroy is like comapring apples with turnips!
it was not tradition of civilized people to destroy religious places, but of least civilized ones ,and yes all times had such breeds ! But it was not a rule to be followed.
As to Abrahamic faiths there is great difference between the Quran and other extant texts of sacred nature. take example even in Quran it is mentioned that when Suleman AS (the famous for Hekel-e =Sulemani ) 's forces passed through a jungle the ants said change your path suleman the Great AS's forces come. But when the forces of Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be UPon HIm) passed near a nest of doves He peace be upon him said change the path and it was changed and dove nests were kept intact.
In Old Testament there punishment of wiping out for the enemies and they did it in those times but at teh tiem of conquest of Makkah the worst enemies of Muhamamd peace be upon him and Islam were pardoned ! There was a visible cahnge wrought by ideas and messages of Holy prophet peace be upon him and Holy quran and it was there and its impact is still here.
The present bigotry, hatred and violence on the name of Islam and human libverty and freedom is not sanctioned by Islam and Allah's messangers peace be upon them. they are serving theri interests whther it was 9/11 or other related acts of killing innocent people .
The search fro truth is not paved with roses alone, it has thorns of truth andrealities also!
Who were the Sindhi people who welcomed Muhamamd Bin Qasim , why were all the old officials of administrative departemnts were kept intact by Muhamamd Bin Qasim?
why Hindus after his death made hsi idols and worshipped him?
where did Buddhists went after coming of Islam in India? They were never forced . delusionsand illusions are not histroy. it is search for truth and truth nad nothing else ... although it is not always conducive to our personal beliefs and egos!
the greatest test of truth is reason, use it and discern trtuh as sadi by Rumi RA that use light of reason and knowledge and discern from fals and true!
It is not dogma it is a dynamic and ever creative struggle!
#50 Posted by laddu on December 5, 2007 9:22:43 am
Read this extract -
http://books.google.com/books?id=e9mz9yg74wAC&pg=PA78&lpg=PA78& dq=turk+nalanda+university&source=web&ots=UcEQ90ULKV&sig=60GgMWWCf1- RAnDgP5aHMUK2CRc#PPA78,M1
http://books.google.com/books?id=e9mz9yg74wAC&pg=PA78&lpg=PA78& dq=turk+nalanda+university&source=web&ots=UcEQ90ULKV&sig=60GgMWWCf1- RAnDgP5aHMUK2CRc#PPA78,M1
#49 Posted by Mystic on December 5, 2007 9:17:26 am
Pratya Samputada
Pali "paticca-samuppada " the chain, or law, of dependent origination, or the chain of causation—a fundamental concept of Buddhism describing the causes of pain and the course of events that lead a being through rebirth, old age, and death.
Existence is seen as an interrelated flux of phenomenal events, material and psychical, without any real, "permanent", independent existence of their own. These…
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For Buddha, Pratittya Samutpada is the basis of "Samsara" and is one of the "Sats" that humanity must admit. The entire philosophy of Buddhism is based upon the notion of "Samsara" and the cycle of existence that gets unleashed due to karmas and sankalpas. Violence begets its fruits and even Mohamamad must have suffered the fruits of his violent karmas. There is NO intercession by any Allah.
Pakistani situation is a clear example of pratitya samutpada - the hatred of TNT come back to haunt the very proponents. The more Pakistan Islamizes, the more it gets farther from the very philosophy of Buddhism that existed on its soil till it was decimated in typical Islamic genocide.
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I wish & Hope Both Patel (hindu congress )& (Jinnah muslim PML)equally respnsible for TNT get there Prati SAmputada
Gandhi must be smiling being more a jain& Against TNT
Pali "paticca-samuppada " the chain, or law, of dependent origination, or the chain of causation—a fundamental concept of Buddhism describing the causes of pain and the course of events that lead a being through rebirth, old age, and death.
Existence is seen as an interrelated flux of phenomenal events, material and psychical, without any real, "permanent", independent existence of their own. These…
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For Buddha, Pratittya Samutpada is the basis of "Samsara" and is one of the "Sats" that humanity must admit. The entire philosophy of Buddhism is based upon the notion of "Samsara" and the cycle of existence that gets unleashed due to karmas and sankalpas. Violence begets its fruits and even Mohamamad must have suffered the fruits of his violent karmas. There is NO intercession by any Allah.
Pakistani situation is a clear example of pratitya samutpada - the hatred of TNT come back to haunt the very proponents. The more Pakistan Islamizes, the more it gets farther from the very philosophy of Buddhism that existed on its soil till it was decimated in typical Islamic genocide.
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I wish & Hope Both Patel (hindu congress )& (Jinnah muslim PML)equally respnsible for TNT get there Prati SAmputada
Gandhi must be smiling being more a jain& Against TNT
#48 Posted by laddu on December 5, 2007 9:17:07 am
The destruction of the University of Nalanda is recorded by the Turkish historian Minhazad in his "Tawakat-i-Nasiri"- he describes how 20,000 shaven headed idolators were beheaded and they could not find any one to explain what was written in the books.......
Shame on these zealot momeens...thoook...........
Shame on these zealot momeens...thoook...........
#47 Posted by mahfari on December 5, 2007 9:04:42 am
Re: # 41 there is a saying in Urdu marun ghutna phutay ankh!there is no further need to comment on the interacts of this type! Is it?
#46 Posted by mahfari on December 5, 2007 9:04:33 am
Re: # 41 there is a saying in Urdu marun ghutna phutay ankh!there is no further need to comment on the interacts of this type! Is it?
#45 Posted by mahfari on December 5, 2007 9:04:33 am
Re: # 41 there is a saying in Urdu marun ghutna phutay ankh!there is no further need to comment on the interacts of this type! Is it?
#44 Posted by mahfari on December 5, 2007 9:04:22 am
Re: # 41 there is a saying in Urdu marun ghutna phutay ankh!there is no further need to comment on the interacts of this type! Is it?
#43 Posted by Maharana on December 5, 2007 8:59:24 am
Mahfari,
You are quoting alberuni as an objective historical source. Well, the guy critiqued indian mathematical contribution without knowing much about it in the first place. He thought of most of the mathematical constructs as useless as he could not understand it himself.
If a catholic considers the history maintained by the church as objective then I think we need a new definition of objective.
Please do not be offended, but it is clearly recorded by the Turk invaders that they destroyed the Nalanda university thinking it to be a temple (A later rationalization in my opinion). It was common culture in the middle eastern societies to destroy the places of worship of their enemies. So they were not doing anything unusual in India.
Somehow the eastern traditions are less hung over on the religious/spiritual practices of others. As an example when Cyrus the great invaded Jerusalem, he did not destroy any Jewish temple or obstruct the locals in their religious beliefs. Tolerance for others is actually presented as a vice in any Abrahamic faith.
As far as objectivity in history is concerned, I do not think that there is any nation and organized religion which has recorded its history objectively. It is a useless excercise to rationalize the existence of the statecraft.
You are right about the Brahminical discrimination towards the dalits. Which is why, from 47 onwards the laws have been formulated to wipe out such discrimination. It takes time to root out ingrained prejudices. But at least to begin with laws exist to counter that in India. The same shastras that you remember well have been forgotten by the upper castes in India and no one gives them any respect anymore. I think not taking any religious word literally for the word of God is essentiual for any such change.
This reminds me of the famous Buddha teaching that you should have talked about too apart from just statues in Pakistan,
"Believe nothing just because a so-called wise person said it. Believe nothing just because a belief is generally held. Believe nothing just because it is said in ancient books. Believe nothing just because it is said to be of divine origin. Believe nothing just because someone else believes it. Believe only what you yourself test and judge to be true."
Adios
You are quoting alberuni as an objective historical source. Well, the guy critiqued indian mathematical contribution without knowing much about it in the first place. He thought of most of the mathematical constructs as useless as he could not understand it himself.
If a catholic considers the history maintained by the church as objective then I think we need a new definition of objective.
Please do not be offended, but it is clearly recorded by the Turk invaders that they destroyed the Nalanda university thinking it to be a temple (A later rationalization in my opinion). It was common culture in the middle eastern societies to destroy the places of worship of their enemies. So they were not doing anything unusual in India.
Somehow the eastern traditions are less hung over on the religious/spiritual practices of others. As an example when Cyrus the great invaded Jerusalem, he did not destroy any Jewish temple or obstruct the locals in their religious beliefs. Tolerance for others is actually presented as a vice in any Abrahamic faith.
As far as objectivity in history is concerned, I do not think that there is any nation and organized religion which has recorded its history objectively. It is a useless excercise to rationalize the existence of the statecraft.
You are right about the Brahminical discrimination towards the dalits. Which is why, from 47 onwards the laws have been formulated to wipe out such discrimination. It takes time to root out ingrained prejudices. But at least to begin with laws exist to counter that in India. The same shastras that you remember well have been forgotten by the upper castes in India and no one gives them any respect anymore. I think not taking any religious word literally for the word of God is essentiual for any such change.
This reminds me of the famous Buddha teaching that you should have talked about too apart from just statues in Pakistan,
"Believe nothing just because a so-called wise person said it. Believe nothing just because a belief is generally held. Believe nothing just because it is said in ancient books. Believe nothing just because it is said to be of divine origin. Believe nothing just because someone else believes it. Believe only what you yourself test and judge to be true."
Adios
#42 Posted by laddu on December 5, 2007 8:51:02 am
Re: # 33
"Re: # 30 except sporadic military instances of destruction there is no historical record substantiate the fact that Muslims destroyed the viharas, stupas, and temples."
This is the most illiterate piece of Islamist historiography that one can only find on Paki sites.
I do not want to spam ......but I have around 20 namas of Islamic megalomaniacs just to disprove that that innocence that is being displayed by you......
"Re: # 30 except sporadic military instances of destruction there is no historical record substantiate the fact that Muslims destroyed the viharas, stupas, and temples."
This is the most illiterate piece of Islamist historiography that one can only find on Paki sites.
I do not want to spam ......but I have around 20 namas of Islamic megalomaniacs just to disprove that that innocence that is being displayed by you......
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