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Ref Mullah32 #90

[mahfari: btw, John Keay in his excellent book A History of India, supports your thesis that it was with the arrival of muslims that we start getting significant written records of indian politics, economy and society. thus, e.g., much of the earlier history of the deccan is gleaned from pottery tablets, stone pillars etc. which were sometimes meaningful as in case of Asoka, but often merely told tall tales about the king that are of no scientific value. he gives the example of one tablet that credits the king as having a light coming out of his big :-).]

I was going to say that this was a matter of Evolution in action, as there is a need to find the proper receptacle at night ;-)

but then you had to spoil it all with

[#92 Posted by tahmed32 on December 5, 2007 10:39:57 am
that last sentence has a missing word "toe" at the end.]

Ref Urstruly #87

[Re: # 61 laddu
Bhai you seem to be very angry for some reason. And as I understand it your anger is based on the content of some work (Chandrakirti ) that was destroyed a few centuries ago. If that work was destroyed then how did you review it and if you didn't then how can a non-existent mythical thing upset you? This is insane.

My invitation to your salvation is for your own good. God is absolutely and dispassionately indifferent to my recognition or your recognition of Him. Our recognition of Him is for our own good. I am only extending this invitation (dawat) to you and all on this website because my own salvation lies in this. Whether or not you accept this invitation has no consequences to me or any other for I have conveyed what I was charged with.

However, as a fellow human being I would like you to succeed. Isn't it an absolute truth that anger is the most potent of the forces that misguides human beings? Please shed the anger; it will help you realize the beauty around us.]

Chowk Editors, what happened? Did somebody hijack Urstruly's password? The man has become mellow!!

Or do you think he got a visit from the FBI and that made him change his tune?

Ref mahfari #75

[Re: # 67 Read Bhagwat Gita and think over it , you will know its meanings!]

The Bhagawad Gita says to kill the evil-doers even if they are your kin.

Nuke Pakistan NOW!!!

Ref Maharana #68

[Destruction of temples and universities done by anyone in whatever name cannot be judged by any historian objectively.]

However, the entire world will applaud if Mecca is nuked.

[The perpetrators will always claim innocence under some pretext.]

No, we can claim retribution for 9/11.

[But the bottom line is intolerance towards any other view but their own.]

"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." - Cicero, as paraphrased by Barry Goldwater.

Ref Urstruly #59

[Dear People!

There is no God but One God. I invite you to recognize Him and thus find your salvation. Let me introduce Him to you. God! There is no God but He, the Living, the Self-subsisting, the Eternal. No slumber can seize Him, nor sleep. All things in heaven and earth are His. Who could intercede in His presence without His permission? He knows what appears in front of (the future or the hidden) and behind (the past and undisclosed) His creatures. Nor can they (His creatures) encompass any knowledge of Him except what he wills. His throne extends over the heavens and the earth, and He feels no fatigue in guarding and preserving them, for He is the Highest and Most Exalted.

God, the Most High, speaks the truth.]

If you are referring to Mr. Allah, I think I will pass.

I am not as dumb as the camel jockeys.

Ref mahfari #51

[Who were the Sindhi people who welcomed Muhamamd Bin Qasim , why were all the old officials of administrative departemnts were kept intact by Muhamamd Bin Qasim?

why Hindus after his death made hsi idols and worshipped him?]

We also worship Small-Pox in the form of Goddess Mariamman in the hope that we won't get infected by small-pox.

Does that explain it?

The following post may be offensive to professors of Islamic Thought in minor American colleges and also to professors of Wimmin's Studies, African Studies, etc., and those who consider schistosomosis to be the best thing that ever happened to mankind.

Ref mahfari #33

[Re: # 30 except sporadic military instances of destruction there is no historical record substantiate the fact that Muslims destroyed the viharas, stupas, and temples.

How can we guess of huge constructions throughout histroy about a place where the Shudras were not allowed to enter the temples! How many Brahmans were in India who could control the temples and other religious places.

When Arth shastra said pour hot copper in the ears of Shudras if eh listens to sacred Vedas , then how could they have loved to construct temples... so that North indai would ahve been littered with these religious places?

As to South Indai how amny temples we ahve other than famous ones in Kernataka, Orissa, and some other border areas near the coasts and in Gujerat also!]

You are just another Islamic thug making excuses for Islamic thugs of the past who used The Book to End All Books as the justification for destroying all native cultures.

First come to South India before saying there are very few famous temples in South India and that North India would not have had many temples because the lower castes would not have willingly constructed temples into which they were banned from entering.

Come to Kanchipuram, some 2 hours from Chennai and see the dozen or so famous temples in that one town. Come to Kumbakonam and see the hundreds of temples in that non-decript little town. See the huge temples at Tanjore and at Gangai Konda Chola Puram. Visit Srirangam and see the largest temple complex in India. Stop at every little village in between and view the temples there. Then tell us that there are not many temples in South India.

By the way, the admission of lower-castes into temples in South India started after 1937, when the brahmin leadership of the Congress took the initiative for permitting entry into the temples for the lower castes. To this day, a special sect of brahmins are the only ones permitted to offer puja in these temples.

On the other hand, the Vishwanathji Temple in Varanasi (Benares) allows every person to enter the innermost sanctum of the temple and touch the idol.


So talk about the equality of man in Islam while killing Shias, Ahmadiyyas, Aga Khanis, etc., and while putting your women into tent-like burqas.

I am NOT buying your sh!t.

Does anyone know where Mahmood got the pictures for this article? I am a university student studying Buddhism and I am interested in the stupa pictured in figure 8.

#94 Jang

"there are temples built before 10th century with idols.."

Are you talking about period betwen 5th c.E, and 10 th Century C.E.
or
Tenth Century A.D.

If latter than you are correct i agree

#88

"Nooooo credit goes to a momeen for "preservation" of my culture. we idolators collectively "preserved" it DESPITE the muslim rulers!!! "

So Hindus in India are not credited for the 150 million muslims for not succumbing to haegonomy of Hindu despite anger wrath ,riots & discimination.!
Muslims are equally "preserved" DESPITE hindu rule ....

tahmed, maybe soon you can write a similar erudite article about arigins of sikhism in lahore and how hindu intolerance drove it out of lahore :)

thanks for the article.....atleast you thought it has some relevance to Pakistan...........may the 4 truths dawn upon Pakistanis and may they come closer to Buddha's Ashtanga-Marga!!

Re: # 63

"there is saying of Holy Prophet peace eb upon him the ink of scholar is sacred tahn blood of hundreds of martyrs! (Hadith) "

Err, Sir, Please , could you provide me the right source for this Hadiths??

mahfari: no offence taken my friend. just wanted to clarify where i was coming from on this.

Re: # 102

Bhai jaan,

Makhan chor is not just one of the tota maina stories, it is an ingredient of a vaishnava idolator's faith.

Re: # 103 all scholars are respectable and leave now to cut and paste from internet sites!