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Search for Origins of Mahayana Buddhism

mahmood Mahmood November 17, 2007

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#1 Posted by swarrier on December 4, 2007 11:56:29 am
The lesser vehicle in Buddhism is the Hinayana, perhaps Nahayana was typo. Nice pictures.
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#2 Posted by CreateAlpha on December 4, 2007 12:56:55 pm
What happened to this great religion where it originated
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#3 Posted by ShoreSahib on December 4, 2007 3:04:44 pm
Good Pictures but you are an inaccurate at one place.

The Buddha did not achieve Nirvana during his fasting. Rather, he stopped fasting after he heard a music teacher teach his pupil in the boat with this saying, "If you tighten the string too hard, it will break, and if you dont tighten it enough, it will not play".

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#4 Posted by laddu on December 4, 2007 8:21:46 pm
For Buddha, Pratittya Samutpada is the basis of "Samsara" and is one of the "Sats" that humanity must admit. The entire philosophy of Buddhism is based upon the notion of "Samsara" and the cycle of existence that gets unleashed due to karmas and sankalpas. Violence begets its fruits and even Mohamamad must have suffered the fruits of his violent karmas. There is NO intercession by any Allah.

Pakistani situation is a clear example of pratitya samutpada - the hatred of TNT come back to haunt the very proponents. The more Pakistan Islamizes, the more it gets farther from the very philosophy of Buddhism that existed on its soil till it was decimated in typical Islamic genocide.

Any way , thanks for showing those unbroken "buts" that were not disfigured by mistake by the zealots who conquered that region.
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#5 Posted by Mystic on December 4, 2007 8:50:11 pm
jainism, budhism and sikhism did come into being to relieve hinduism.Of ITS CASTE system and contributed by influence to Hinduism and in turn became minority overwhelmed by hinduism continuence & INCORPORATION in 4th&5th century c.e. by hindu renniasence..
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#6 Posted by majumdar on December 4, 2007 9:02:58 pm
Mahmood sahib,

I have heard a theory that the Muslim word for statue "But" is derived from the fact that the first statues they saw was that of Buddha (But was corrupted form of Buddha). Is that true or only fanciful?

Mystic,

(overwhelmed by hinduism continuence & INCORPORATION in 4th&5th century c.e. by hindu renniasence..)

As far as incorporation is concerned, you would no doubt be aware that Buddha became an avatar of Vishnu.

Laddu,

What is wrong with the TNT?

Regards

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#7 Posted by laddu on December 4, 2007 9:51:34 pm
Re: # 6

TNT is the dar-ul-harbic view of cultural "identity" so clear in the famous remark of Jinnah that the two nations exists in every gali and muhallahs of muslim neighbourhood!!
The very notion of a "pureland" is based upon exclusion of naji idoaltors.
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#8 Posted by laddu on December 4, 2007 9:53:15 pm
Re: # 5

You need to read more about Buddhism as a philosophical system before you regurgitate the usual Paki Dawah propaganda!!
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#9 Posted by Mystic on December 4, 2007 10:21:27 pm
Porus, king of the area between the Hydaspes and the Acesines rivers, in India, met Alexander the Great at the Battle of the Hydaspes River in June 326 B.C. Porus brought war elephants with him that terrified the Greeks and their horses. In time, Alexander's troops gained the upper hand and the elephants stampeded their own troops. King Porus surrendered to Alexander

Indians are a peculiar race. India ignores and forgets.[7] “It is a conspiracy of silence.” “India remained unchanged. The wounds of battle were quickly healed: the ravaged fields smile again.[8] “No Indian author, Hindu or Jain or Buddhist makes even the faintest allusion to Alexander or his deeds,” asserted V.A. Smith, and he quotes with approval the lines by Matthew Arnold:


We next come to one of the most interesting facts of history. Chandra Gupta Maurya, the first Emperor of India, while yet a boy, had seen Alexander “the invincible splendid man from the West.” “Later on when he became a great King, Chandra Gupta worshipped Alexander among his Gods.”[26] It appears a curious fact that a Hindu King paid divine honours to a foreign prince whom he had himself beheld.
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#10 Posted by laddu on December 4, 2007 10:40:11 pm
Re: # 9
"Indians are a peculiar race. India ignores and forgets."

On the other hand I would charge the Pakistanis to be "peculiar" who want to feign amnesia of the rich harappan, hinu, buddhist and jain past by talking about a "contrived" history that starts with Mohammad Ghouri!!!
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#11 Posted by arjun8 on December 4, 2007 10:56:37 pm
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#12 Posted by Ally on December 5, 2007 2:46:39 am
Majumdar

there is no language called 'Muslim'... there are various laguages spoken by people who are Muslim by faith... In Urdu and most other South Asian languages the word for statue is Moorti... Buth Purust is the name given to the followers of Buddha (in Urdu) buth i presume came from budh...
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#13 Posted by mahfari on December 5, 2007 4:37:06 am
Re: # 6 This word indeed has origins in Buddha , and it originated from the present day Afghanistan and the Great Buddhas of Bamiyan were present there since ages and early Muslims did,nt destroy them. it was extremism and unfounded zeal of Taliban Government which resulted in their unwanton and reckless destruction.

As to b'ut being a word for Idol, it was not initially menat in the old Urdu and related Persian literature, it was used for beautiful and of splendid features.


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#14 Posted by aquaris on December 5, 2007 4:42:59 am
Re: # 11

http://www.hindunet.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=77813&Main= 77813

and / or

which carries it from


http://murugan.org/research/gopalapillai.htm
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#15 Posted by mahfari on December 5, 2007 4:46:50 am
Re: # 1Yea the most popular name is Hinayna, but it is also named as Nihayana, and it is also translated as smaller consciousness.

The difference is of bases as mahayana is the origin of sculpture with figure of Buddhain Gandhara and it is the bases of mahayana religious schol in buddhist tradition.
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#16 Posted by dost_mittar on December 5, 2007 6:39:40 am
Thanks for an informative article. I have often felt that it is time that Pakistanis reclaim their heritage and since the word Hindu is still an anathema, Buddhism is a good starting point.

This is for the first time that I have read the word Nahayana for Hineyana Buddhism. I am also not sure if your interpretation of Hineyana is quite correct. My understanding is that in both branches of Buddhism, the path to Nirvana is getting rid of one's desires - following someone to heaven is an Abrahmic concept, indic faiths place responsibility on one's karma.

I believe that the gandhara art is infulenced to a great extent by Greek art and the figures resemble Greek figures to a large extent.

The article also displays innate biases and ignorance of Pakistanis. Buddhism was not destroyed by zealot Hindus. In fact, Buddha never renunciated the religion of his birth - this was not necessary as the local culture allowed and encouraged plurality of thought. Buddha was never attacked or humiliated by his people and his was merely a 'panth' a dfferent path among many that flourished in that land at that time (I doubt if the word Hindu even existed at that time, at least in the sense of a religious faith). As for as which zealots destroyed the religion, it was the religion of the but-shikans and the evidence is there from Nalanda to Bamyan to the more recent destruction of the Buddhist icons in Pakistan. As for Hindus, they assimilated (not destroyed) Buddhism by making Buddha one of their avtars. Indeed many Buddhist temples were built by the Hindus, as is the most important one in Delhi next to Birla Mandir and built by the Hindu industrialist Birla. To the extent that Buddhists were "converted" (the concept is again alien in the Indic context) this was largely done by Shankaracharya in the tenth century by largely incorporating many aspects of Buddhism, such as vegetarainims, into Hinduism.

But one should not blame Pakistanis for believing that Hindu zealots destroyed by Hindu zealots. This "discovery" was made by India's establishment-sponsored JNU type "secular" historians to promote hindu-muslim same-same concept.
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