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Re: # 239 do.nt be so liberal in commenting and I read intellectuals are most liberal, try to be liberal and open minded and he is a person of action and Rumi's message is love . Answer the questiosn or engage a rational debate mere mud slinging does not solve the issue!

mahfari bhai, I have to leave for now. Hopefully we will pick it up some other time.

I don't know if you are new to Chowk....but LOVE is the problem. You know, how an elephant walks, proud and unafraid, through the woundrous jungle, exploring this and that.

Then people dig huge holes for him. The elephant falls. End of exploring. End of story.

LOVE is that hole.

Anyways, later, my dear friend.

Re: # 238 what is dharma... teachings of Buddha in Buddhism, teachings of ram and others in Hindu and sme fro jians and others in Indian Philosophy. From where Dharma comes? What are Avatars? Are concepts different and separate from the messangers or the bearers and describers of Dharma? If any one has his or her own Dharma.. then how can concepts develop? Mere perceptions canot result in collective ideas. can they?

mahfari # 243 is what one meant by believers needing to know what comes BEFORE order/process. For dharmic people dharma is enough, just as it was for the Buddha.

And to leave a thought behind, Buddha taught compassion, not love.

Completely different kinds of worlds, these two create.

Re: # 240 a message is a message only to those who wish to see it as such. Once you discard this notion of a message than what is left in it all is the core essence of a process, where by one can attain heaven, the houris, and salvation and moksha. Why burden it with with other extraneous things?

However, I digress, what you say does have a kernel of truth in it.

Fundamental difference is in understanding or defining what is "a process" and what is a "message"? Once done, the rest follows from it. An understanding of this difference, then renders to you no more important, as a separate entity with an authoritative path, than the kaun-kiska next to you. You are then equal in most respects to the other guy. It is a willingness to be able to accept this "truth" which separates the eastern traditions (often prophetless ) to the middle eastern traditions which are prophet led.

What is interesting is why this difference in thought has come about?

Re: # 242 aa rahi hei chah e yusuf say yeh sada daust yehan thuray hein aur bhai bahut!

take care , yea I am new on Chowk , it is my first article.

Re: # 244 Buddha never proclaimed finality for his messages and dharma was nnever used by Buddha himslef . It were followers who developed thee ideas.

Re: # 245 diferences result by personal vested interests and leaving aside reason to decipher the truth!

ekalavya, how time has changed you, yet not changed you.

Take care see around again.....took me sometime to recognise "ekalavya"

Re: # 248 you need to dig a bit more deeper than that.

Yes, vested interests is a starting point. However, it is the definition of "truth" and the ability to perhaps define "process" and "message" clearly which has resulted in the difference........

Re: # 250 you are trying to mix the channel and mesage as said in modern Communication studies, the level of person who delievers message especially which has moral and real implications becomes very important . I remmebr gandhi Ji;s saying taht science is a sharp razor in the hands of baby! So who gave this razor to the baby? now this is least important , now issue is how to save the baby, then discuss who gave it so that it does not happen again. If we say no it is process let the baby die... then htere is a great great issue which needs to be tackled!

Re: # 250 It was mere one point, further ... with the time we will learn. journey never stops!

Re: # 251 "I remmebr gandhi Ji;s saying taht science is a sharp razor in the hands of baby! So who gave this razor to the baby? now this is least important , now issue is how to save the baby, then discuss who gave it so that it does not happen again"

Precisely....agree with you there.

as an aside tell me, your understanding, why is there a big fracas over Iraq and Iran getting the nukes?

Will check the board out later...see you in a few mos.....

Re: # 253 Because they dare to be different and independent and it affects the balance of power in Middle east.

Re: # 237

Mahfari sahib:

I am very familiar with Rumi's elephant story and his quotes. I had found a lot of similarity between his sayings and gita.

He also said in the elephant story we only are limited by our knowledge, as each of these guys who touched the elephant were. Yes, you are correct that is how concepts evolve. I agree.

independence of mind........how interesting.........and yet to become prophetless is like becoming an orphan....an interesting dichotomy