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Re: # 30 except sporadic military instances of destruction there is no historical record substantiate the fact that Muslims destroyed the viharas, stupas, and temples.

How can we guess of huge constructions throughout histroy about a place where the Shudras were not allowed to enter the temples! How many Brahmans were in India who could control the temples and other religious places.

When Arth shastra said pour hot copper in the ears of Shudras if eh listens to sacred Vedas , then how could they have loved to construct temples... so that North indai would ahve been littered with these religious places?

As to South Indai how amny temples we ahve other than famous ones in Kernataka, Orissa, and some other border areas near the coasts and in Gujerat also!

How can there be temples when common people were not allowed to constrcut and enter the temples, read again the Shastric rules about constrcution of Temples and then relate it ot the number of temples!This fad of constrcuting of religious places by all the followers of religions and creeds is the gift of modernity. It was not so rampant in past as it 1s portrayed to be!

Re: # 32wonderful I will love to respond!

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"The Mahayana schools believe in effecting the spiritual liberation of all beings from the cycle of reincarnation and rebirth."
Fully agree with you

Temples and hindu idols were absent till 10 th century C.E.
This explained by the fact that for the period between 4th 5th c.e.and 10th c.e.was relatively lull period of hinduism after which hindu asserted them selves overr Jain & Buddha.

In ayodhya Jain claim the temple was built OVER jain temple.

Jain, Buddhist & sikh also claim that they are distinct from Hindu

Re: # 35 well said , fully agree!

Re: # 35 well said , fully agree!

Re: # 26

"reached upto these Buddha statutes in Bamiyan and tok out the diamonds out fo eyes and merely said I just wanted to show that they even can not help themselves how can they help you?"

This is standard Islamic propaganda against idolators. First, create a caricature of idolator religion and then abuse that caricature as if that implies critique of that religion. The first caricature is of equating the idols with the spiritual deity - as if the photo of bush is GWB and after burning that photo some Islamist claims - " look he cannot save himself."
Infact, every idolator must look at these Pakistanis and say - "See, even your Allah cannot save you from your current state."
The fact remains that the standard operating manual of Islam prescribes abominable amounts of violence against other religions.

Re: # 35

"Temples and hindu idols were absent till 10 th century C.E."

Miyan , kaun se madarasee se par kar dawah karne nikle ho??

Re: # 35

"Jain, Buddhist & sikh also claim that they are distinct from Hindu"

Define what is Hindu before you re-state the standard Paki propaganda needed to revenge that pathetic state that actually is because of their own karmas!!

Re: # 33

"substantiate the fact that Muslims destroyed the viharas, stupas, and temples."

Yes, Yes, you can also ask every one to substantiate 9/11-s , 7/11-s , WWII Jewish holocaust or even the surrender of 1971!!!

Re: # 33

"Re: # 30 except sporadic military instances of destruction there is no historical record substantiate the fact that Muslims destroyed the viharas, stupas, and temples."

This is the most illiterate piece of Islamist historiography that one can only find on Paki sites.
I do not want to spam ......but I have around 20 namas of Islamic megalomaniacs just to disprove that that innocence that is being displayed by you......

Mahfari,
You are quoting alberuni as an objective historical source. Well, the guy critiqued indian mathematical contribution without knowing much about it in the first place. He thought of most of the mathematical constructs as useless as he could not understand it himself.
If a catholic considers the history maintained by the church as objective then I think we need a new definition of objective.
Please do not be offended, but it is clearly recorded by the Turk invaders that they destroyed the Nalanda university thinking it to be a temple (A later rationalization in my opinion). It was common culture in the middle eastern societies to destroy the places of worship of their enemies. So they were not doing anything unusual in India.
Somehow the eastern traditions are less hung over on the religious/spiritual practices of others. As an example when Cyrus the great invaded Jerusalem, he did not destroy any Jewish temple or obstruct the locals in their religious beliefs. Tolerance for others is actually presented as a vice in any Abrahamic faith.

As far as objectivity in history is concerned, I do not think that there is any nation and organized religion which has recorded its history objectively. It is a useless excercise to rationalize the existence of the statecraft.

You are right about the Brahminical discrimination towards the dalits. Which is why, from 47 onwards the laws have been formulated to wipe out such discrimination. It takes time to root out ingrained prejudices. But at least to begin with laws exist to counter that in India. The same shastras that you remember well have been forgotten by the upper castes in India and no one gives them any respect anymore. I think not taking any religious word literally for the word of God is essentiual for any such change.
This reminds me of the famous Buddha teaching that you should have talked about too apart from just statues in Pakistan,
"Believe nothing just because a so-called wise person said it. Believe nothing just because a belief is generally held. Believe nothing just because it is said in ancient books. Believe nothing just because it is said to be of divine origin. Believe nothing just because someone else believes it. Believe only what you yourself test and judge to be true."

Adios

Re: # 41 there is a saying in Urdu marun ghutna phutay ankh!there is no further need to comment on the interacts of this type! Is it?

Re: # 41 there is a saying in Urdu marun ghutna phutay ankh!there is no further need to comment on the interacts of this type! Is it?

Re: # 41 there is a saying in Urdu marun ghutna phutay ankh!there is no further need to comment on the interacts of this type! Is it?

Re: # 41 there is a saying in Urdu marun ghutna phutay ankh!there is no further need to comment on the interacts of this type! Is it?

The destruction of the University of Nalanda is recorded by the Turkish historian Minhazad in his "Tawakat-i-Nasiri"- he describes how 20,000 shaven headed idolators were beheaded and they could not find any one to explain what was written in the books.......

Shame on these zealot momeens...thoook...........