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Re: # 77 wonderful ! You are beyond Badayuni, who himself sadi that akbar forced me to translate the texts of kafirs and he was labeleld Mullah by Akber himself!
(get a copy of book and read it , it is not available on internet certainly )

Be sure do,nt beat about the bush by saying PROBABLY!

Re: # 79 yea i have read again and again bhagwat gita and it is pure bliss to read! You?

mahfari: you mention that you are in a country where the wikipedia is not accessible. and yet you can access the interent. I am curious to know which country this is, and why wikipedia is not accessible.

Re: # 80 thank you mystic for setting the record straight! I would have myself read it , but here it does not open!

Mahfari,

I will read Al Beruni's Al Hind since you have talked so much about him. There seems to be a lot more to Beruni then just translating and propagating works as you are claiming.
It is a widely hels notion by historians that the arabs were excellent traders not just in goods but in ideas too. The muslims in spain translated works from the east and created a vast library in Al Andalus.

Yes, I'll quote you the exact issues regarding the Rushdie affair and his claims soon enough.

Adios

Re: # 83 I am laughing now! it is China!

Re: # 61 laddu
Bhai you seem to be very angry for some reason. And as I understand it your anger is based on the content of some work (Chandrakirti ) that was destroyed a few centuries ago. If that work was destroyed then how did you review it and if you didn't then how can a non-existent mythical thing upset you? This is insane.

My invitation to your salvation is for your own good. God is absolutely and dispassionately indifferent to my recognition or your recognition of Him. Our recognition of Him is for our own good. I am only extending this invitation (dawat) to you and all on this website because my own salvation lies in this. Whether or not you accept this invitation has no consequences to me or any other for I have conveyed what I was charged with.

However, as a fellow human being I would like you to succeed. Isn't it an absolute truth that anger is the most potent of the forces that misguides human beings? Please shed the anger; it will help you realize the beauty around us.

Re: # 81

listen, this tranlation argument is a joke. Hinduism did not survive because Akbar translated their books. Those who assert this are only repeating their Pak Studies propaganda.
Hinduism survived because of the guts , resolve and faith of idolaters like me. It survived because hindus bribed, bought, struggled, fought for preservation of their living traditions. It was preserved because idolators like me spent years of their life learning, reading and practicing the texts and practices of their Dharmic texts.
Nooooo credit goes to a momeen for "preservation" of my culture. we idolators collectively "preserved" it DESPITE the muslim rulers!!!

Mystic,

You can also deduce from that paragraph that those spared were not in the main root of the invasion. Hence invasion still was the cause of the ultimate destruction.
The decline of Buddhism started with Hinduism accepting Buddha as the ninth Avatar. Even now most of the concepts in both are not much different.

Adios

mahfari: btw, John Keay in his excellent book A History of India, supports your thesis that it was with the arrival of muslims that we start getting significant written records of indian politics, economy and society. thus, e.g., much of the earlier history of the deccan is gleaned from pottery tablets, stone pillars etc. which were sometimes meaningful as in case of Asoka, but often merely told tall tales about the king that are of no scientific value. he gives the example of one tablet that credits the king as having a light coming out of his big :-).

Re: # 85 No need to go and search the rushdie book . i tell you truth, this issue began in 1988-89 in pakistan when a religious scholar wrote an article in daily jang and he was denied power in the regime at taht time and he quoted some portions making fun of ablution by Muslims and raised issues about the spouses of Holy Prophet (Peace be upon him) and it was an issue. the intentions were not good and it was fitna! Oh vested interest how many faces you have!

take a broader outlook of such mob mentality by comapring Holocaust, Frenzy of 1947 in India, Bosnia, Rwanda, present frenzy in Iraq, Gujerat in last years, and recently Nandi Gram... Dear Rana sahib need more examples!

that last sentence has a missing word "toe" at the end.

Re: # 88 These idea s will be blasphemous for narrow minded on both sides of border! truth has very strong influence, it shakes up..... learn from Krishna Murti and make your mind free to think freely not to think from biases, use mind not emotions!

its good to see pakis looking at budhhism even with the tinted chashma. gandhara school of sculpture had a definate greek influence in form .. curly hair, upright stature. previous indian sculpture seems to consider a symmetric upright statues as aesthetically unappealing and tend to go for the ashta-wakra (8-bends) forms.

there are temples built before 10th century with idols..

mahfari: so you are in China? nai hao!! :-)
I knew the chinese government was trying to curb "dangerous ideas" of human rights etc. to enter china. I did not realize that it extended to banning Wikipedia. Let us hope Pakistanis never allow the musharraf or some other would-be autocrat to mess with the internet.

Re: # 90 Thx for qutoing him. but we have our own minds and reading Primary sources of history makes us use our own reasoning skills!

there was only one book on history , a book of annals, Raj Tarangni written by a Minister of kashmir.......... a great contrast from present Kashmir!