Why the American War on Terror is Failing Miserably

zeemax #37 I am not surprised that Jemima is committed to Pakistan even after her divorce. She knows that the average Pakistani is one of the most hospitable and generous people on earth - and deserves something better than a rogue general.

bubba #34 Interesting set of figures. No doubt a man who can wreck the Supreme Court of a country in order to cling to power is not above trying to corrupt the legislature as well. These are the wages of a sinful dictatorship that a nation pays!!

masadi: you claim that i (who has without any ifs and buts opposed the illegal musharraf regime) am backing "the BB/ Military junta". Musharaff loves individuals like you who try to confuse issues by making up convenient "facts" (e.g. the "BB/Military junta)!! That is all I can say.

Who says the war on terror is failing?
Any war takes time to succeed. Lets not forget, India is fighting against the terrorists for the last 18 years in Kashmir, Israel has been fighting terrorists since its birth. It always takes time to win a war, especially when
your enemy is a spineless, immoral one, who hassles killing innocents.

Besides the primary purpose of the war on terror, is to prevent terrorist attacks on USA soil, which it has till date. In fact on that measure, its been the most successful anti-terrorism drive. India or Israel cant claim the same.

Re: # 37

And desis subservience to gora continues....

Demo outside Pak Embassy in London - 18 Nov:

http://pkpolitics.com/2007/11/18/protest-at-london-embassy-18-november-0 7/

Jemima in response to question as to "why?":

"My children are Pakistani. I have never distanced myself from Pakistan."

Is something brewing up? She would be a nice change anyway!

#35 - LOL

...i do not know of any two groups who are worse military strategicians than american politicians and pakistani generals........

......american politicians are the only group in the world who can lose wars with militaris that have budgets of over $400 billion!!.......and pakistani generals are the only ones who have more success inside the country than outside...

.....so what in the world is going to happen when dick cheney puts his head together with pervez musharraf to fight a war against terrorism......

exactly what is happening now.....

......americans have got their butts kicked in iraq and now in afghanistan......they have now realized that instead of getting their own butts kicked, it is better to get pakistani soldiers' killed......

the dutch lose two soldiers in afghanistan and their public is ready to leave afghanistan.....the spaniards have one explosion in spain, and they move out of iraq....the canadians lose twenty soldiers, and their public wants out.....however, pakistanis keep dying on both sides and we are still fighting.....

earth to pakistan:....dick cheney ended up shooting his best friend while hunting.....and pakistanis want to trust him in fighting against millions of afghans......

let the americans fight their own wars.......they have pissed off too much of the world........no need for pakistan to get involved.....

For a Pakistani politican, are these numbers true?

Salary & Govt. concessions for a Member of NATIONAL ASSEMBLY (MNA):

Monthly Salary: Rs.120,000 to 200,000

Expense for Constitution per month: Rs.100 ,000

Office expenditure per month: Rs.140,000

Traveling concession (Rs.8 per km): Rs.48,000 (For a visit to Islamabad & return: 6000 km)

Daily BETA during Assembly meets: Rs.500

Charges for 1 class (A/C) in train: Free (For any number of times & All Over PAKISTAN)

Charges for Business Class in flights: Free for 40 trips / year (With wife or P.A.)

Rent for Govt. hostel any where: Free Electricity costs at home:

Free up to 50,000 units

Local phone call charges: Free up to 170,000 calls.

TOTAL expense for a MNA per year: Rs. 32,000,000 (approx.)

TOTAL expense for 5 years: Rs.160,000,000

As such for 534 MNAs, the expense for 5 years comes to Rs.85,440,000,000 (about 9000 crores).

#32, tahmed's response is typical of apologists for the corporate elite that lay off thousands of workers,and relocate plants all for the sake of extra profits and getting multi-million dollar salaries, and then blame it on "demand and supply" and competition. They make multi billion dollar profits get all kinds of welfare and deals from the government and then rob the little man of whatever little they pay him to start with even though he is responsible for the surplus they pocket....similar excuses were made by the oil companies for robbing us all and pocketing billions in record profits, why don't we see a comparative fall in German auto worker wages which are much higher than in the US, if competition from "automation" in Japan is the reason? Of course tahmed, being the peon of the Western elite will always be on the wrong side of the human equation, for the ultra rich as they suck the blood of the workers, he is similarly stabbing the Pakistani people in the back by trying to legitimize US propaganda of what is best for US ulterior motives (the BB/ Military junta) is best for the common man/woman in Pakistan. Listen to this immoral idiot at your own peril...

#27 Urstruly: Detroit worker's salary are going down in large part due to competition from Japan - and Japan is basically competing on the basis of factory automation and quality control, not low wages.

Funny that we have cheerleaders amongst Pakistanis who fall all over themselves to be more American and liberal than the most liberal American. The only people left who feel that the War on Terror is going well are the ones who still believe that Bush is the best President ever....and if you have been following the news you will know that he just beat Nixon as the most unpopular President ever in the history of Gallup. His ratings are even lower than those of OJ Simpson during his murder trial. Its a totally moot point and those left who still believe that its going well should call the President and offer their services cause he's desperately looking for people to stand with him.

For people like Hamidm who live in Detroit and married women who have experience the studliness of Imran Khan...you have greater issues to worry about than trying to win a debate with everyone on Chowk at the same time. Detroit is losing jobs like there is no tomorrow and the axe could drop on you any day. As for the other matter, just spend more time with her cause Chowkies are here today and gone tomorrow but a wife is forever....at least until Imran decides to relight an old flame.

Re: # 27 that is because manufacturing here was no longer competetive nor was it world class - recall Leyland and Rover....!

The quest is for people who can compete to create the wealth for the rest of the country to enjoy.....

majumdar writes "Can you back up #23 with any credible evidence. Thanks in advance."

Data on US avergae real wage and debts based on population by income and wealth is available widely on the net, regarding the manufacturing jobs created instead of those lost, weren't we talking of the standard of living in America of Americans? In the case of Mexico the average wage for the worker has been suppressed quite a bit after Nafta, the case of China regarding the factory workers isn't too much better either, read the trade report by Oxfam that documents many of these facts. There are many studies on this, but you had no clue about any but made a claim regardless, just like you do while defending the MAJ. It is not my job to do your homework

Re: # 25 The credible evidence is that that about 2-3 years ago the starting pay of an auto assembly line worker was $33-36/hr; currently it has been reduced to $13-17/hr. The workforce at supplier base is suffering even more where line worker is now making closely $10-14/hr.

Majumdar
The evidence in the UK is as the manufacturing jobs migrated, the new jobs that are created are in services sector, finance, banking, but vast majority as low wage burger flippers and security guards etc.