Why the American War on Terror is Failing Miserably

another thing on BB, further to #24: She is part of the solution for now to the extent that at this time she is shaking up Musharraf's disastrous dictatorship that needs to be ended and the Chief Justice restored. BB can then be removed in due course through the election process when the bigger problem of ending Musharraf's destruction of the pillars of Pakistani nationhood is solved.

Masadi sahib,

Can you back up #23 with any credible evidence. Thanks in advance.

And surely if manufacturing jobs have been destroyed in USA lots more must have been created in China, India and Vietnam and the likes. What about that?

Regards

Salman Ahmad of Janoon fame speaks the truth on Washington Post. Summary: Musharraf and BB are both playing games, and the real choice is between the Chief Justice and the rule of law vs. personal politics of Musharraf and BB.

PS: Welcome back zeemax. zeemax/hamidm: Perhaps you need to stop, in your different ways, taking mullahs so seriously. Note how the mullahs dont even figure in these choices - that is how important they are when you get serious about Pakistani issues!! They are mere bogeymen in musharraf's charade.

Excerpt:

A False Choice for Pakistan

By Salman Ahmad
Monday, November 19, 2007;

As Pakistan descends into political chaos, much attention has been given to two leaders competing for power -- the current dictator, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, and the media-savvy former prime minister, Benazir Bhutto. The White House appears to be backing Musharraf as its best bet in the "war on terror," while much of the world's media and Western liberal elite see Bhutto as a democratic savior for a country mired in Islamic fundamentalism.

Both fail to recognize the core problem plaguing Pakistani society: Without a strong and independent judiciary, Pakistan, a nuclear-armed state, will forever be at the mercy of dictators and power-hungry politicians. Lack of oversight and institutional accountability leads to coups, counter-coups and perpetual instability.

As an artist and social activist, I have worked with the governments of both Musharraf and Bhutto on peace initiatives and socially uplifting themes. I have been disillusioned by their lack of commitment to getting real work done; they appear to spend most of their time consolidating their power bases.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/18/AR2007111800 948.html

majumdar writes "There is no evidence to suggest that the average living standard of Americans has fallen"

Of course there is, look at the structure of the job market where temp agencies are now major employers, people have to work two to three jobs to make less pay then when manufacturing jobs relocated, not to mention the falling average wage for the bottom 50%, who are in debt, i.e. negative net worth...having lost over 80% of their wealth in the past two decades; however that is a debate not for this thread, neither do I want to revisit what has already been thoroughly on here

#19 Posted by masadi,

...why Zeemax wastes himself like this is beyond me.....

"Amr b'il maroof wa nahi'an al-munkir" !

Musharraf's visit to SA: He got a whopping from his papa the other day and now he's running to his mama for consolation. Like I said months back, he is going to sublease the mian's summer home in SA, if he is lucky enough to make it there before the US does what it did with the previous peon, the Zia ul Fcuk....Regarding the mullah not giving a damn about anything, when did they give a damn about anything other than halwa, they live in a different world and they fight their mythical battles all the time, the world passed them by before and will pass them by again, why Zeemax wastes himself like this is beyond me.....

#18 that by itself would not solve it but surely will start the process of softening them up....the army is not wiling to strongarm its way right now - since the strongarm tactics decision will be theirs. OTOH if BiBiunder a democratic dispensation orders them to do so the army will do so .....that is what I am saying...

That might stop the armymen giving up their ghost for a few more minutes...but what happens after that will depend on the GHQ and others....

Musharraf's visit to SA: He got a whopping from his papa the other day and now he's running to his mama for consolation. Like I said months back, he is going to sublease the mian's summer home in SA, if he is lucky enough to make it there before the US does what it did with the previous peon, the Zia ul Fcuk....Regarding the mullah not giving a damn about anything, when did they give a damn about anything other than halwa, they live in a different world and they fight their mythical battles all the time, the world passed them by before and will pass them by again, why Zeemax wastes himself like this is beyond me.....

Dash,

If dropping daisy cutters solved all problems, Yanks wud have won the war in Iraq and A'stan by now.

Regards

add-on:

nawaz sharif will come out smelling like roses either way ...... no?

No. No party will boycott elections and it will be a repeat of 2002. If Nawaz boycotts, he will be iso9lated and out of politics forever. There're plenty of soul-less mofos in that country who will still go along with musharraf ....

So musharraf is here to stay for the foreseeable future. I.e. till he is yanked out by who else but whom you detest!!

unless the army on its own, or the army under BiBi (which is the option I think preferred by the army itself and the US) drops tons of daisy-cutters or its equivalents.....the jawans will turn colour and become tribesmen....

BiBi has made the deal! Unless she gets cold feet, this is the way it might pan out

#10 Posted by hamidm2,

Sorry hamidm ... Nawaz may or may not agree (actually I think he won't even meet him), but this game is now beyond politics. The politicians can bicker and quarrel, emergency or no emergency, martial-law or no martial-law, Mullah Faqir said he doesn't give a damn and it makes no difference to them.

So I'm sorry, this is a full-fledged war now and you started it on 10th of July 2007 at Jamia Hafsa. Remember I predicted this? But I'm not gonna say "I told you so!" :)

Aslam bhai,

Thanks to the economic growth of India and China it means that more Injuns and Chinks can afford to fly. Which means more orders to Beoing and Airbus. Means more jobs. So it may not necesarily be a zero sum game between the Goras and the rest.

Regards

Re: # 9
Majumdar
It not as simple has that, you’ve only to look at the tussle between boeing and airbus to see where we are heading with India and china.

More later got to go

Shishapa,

There is no evidence to suggest that the average living standard of Americans has fallen. I guess many of those who have lost low end jobs would have migrated to better paying jobs.

Regards

Re: # 9

Array Majumdar bhai,\

Job agar nahi hoga, to living standard kaise uuncha hoga?