Why the American War on Terror is Failing Miserably

#138 Posted by bulleya on November 21, 2007 7:56:41 am


when i first returned from pakistan, that pakistan had had it.


dayum...this means t-shirts with paki flags don't have a market among the faithful in pureland..let along indians, arabs and sti lankans in the US..

romair
[...is one difference this time.....the military is being asked to bomb its own citizens....]

Well, you bombed your own citizens in 1971... but nothing really happened to military then... so what's the difference?

romair
[...is one difference this time.....the military is being asked to bomb its own citizens....]

Well, you bombed your own citizens in 1971... but nothing really happened to military then... so what's the difference?

#140 Posted by bulleya on November 21, 2007 8:25:49 am


has shown how dependent the usa is on pakistan...


yes..the US is totally dependent on pureland..in fact, I predict that the US will lean on India to give up Indian Kashmir and Kashmir will banega pureland in 5 to 10 years..

oh wait..that was your prediction...6 years ago..

#145 Posted by shankar on November 21, 2007 9:04:24 am


I thought you were the eternal optimist.


optimist is different from self-deluded..

optimist sees the glass as half full.

the self-deluded see 5 glasses full of rooh afzha when, in fact, there is no glass to begin with...

sheesh..i thought you were a shrink..

US war on terror is failing?

only in the dreams of the CPI(M) supporters...

War on terror is failing? lets see, since 2001, the fight has been taken tot the muslim world...the result is that the muslim world is busy fighting amongst each other..Iraq is going to be divided and will fight among themselves, Palestine as a state is now a dream once again..the land has been split and the west is fine with hamas and fatah killing each other..Pakistan is going through internal strife....factionalism developing. US is now in more muslim lands directly or indirectly than ever...I am not sure if why one would thnk the wear is failing? If anything..visions of the islamic arc stretching from philippines to France has suffered a serious setback. Iran will be next..and ofcourse the arabs will take the lead. So things are looking good.

#144 Posted by bulleya

Rebuttal to a wild rant:

....do keep in mind that he physically stormed the supreme court

And Ch. Shujaat was the federal interior minister at the time. How come he allowed the mob to gather outside SC?

In fact, the disturbance was over supporters with passes not being allowed to enter SC to watch the proceedings. They tried to force their way in. There was no 'Storming of SC'.

... and had the chief justice removed, when it was to rule against him ..

And he was also the only sitting Prime Minister EVER to appear before a judge in person when summoned. Does that amount to respect for judiciary?

... that would have simply replaced him, while it still would have left his party in power.......

Not correct. The case was for contempt of court with a maximum penalty of six months which is routinely waived upon apology. No one has ever been jailed for contempt.

......so even on a milder provocation than musharraf, he destroyed the supreme court.....

Nor correct. See above.

........and he jailed najam sethi, on an even milder incident.......

Again, not correct. It was Military Intelligence (MI) which picked najam sethi up for investigation and MI does not report to the PM. Check your facts.

...he has simply criticized nawaz a bit.......

No. Sethi, after having been the National Security Adviser with access to sensitive information, went to an enemy country and publicly called Pakistan a 'failed state'.

...nawaz's henchmen, actually, broke into his house and locked his wife, after picking him up......

No. It was the Military intelligence which picked him up.

...ironically, it was musharraf who freed him.....

Who else? Of-course the army freed him because the army had picked him up in the first place.

...not to mention the fact that nawaz has a long list of corruption cases against him,

Name one. Just a single one please .... go on .... try.

... which i am quite sure he would not want any independent court to hear.......

Yeah but which one? Can you name just one case against NS for corruption? And I mean a 'case', not media character assassination.

some of the biggest scams in pakistan were under him, from the co-operatives scandal ...

Bhai, co-operatives were owned by your Chaudhries of Gujrat and not the NS family. I am quite disappointed with your lack of information made worse with wild rants.

to various others.......no one can scam like an industrialist......

Like ??? As in ???

...the defintion of an idiot

I think we've just discovered the personification of that definition right here.

"The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in a time of moral crisis, remain neutral."..........(Dante)

....when, in 100 years, history is written, of a country that once existed on the banks of the kabul and the indus, it will be said: its downfall was brought about, not by the torrents of invading Spartans; nor by the maladies of invading contagions....neither drenched by cataclysmic floods, nor pinched by ravenous famines.....

...........destroyed by its own gaurdians, it was - gureillas, gunners, airmen and infrantrymen.....pilots, sappers, scouts and sailors -....whose greatest victories came against their own citizens and worst defeats came against its nation's antoganists.......its commanders - intrepid in power, faint-hearted in defiance.......its foot-soldiers - beaten, brusied, misguided, hoodwinkded and humiliated till they knew not what was right and what was wrong.....where treason was bravery and ethics was mutiny........custodians - not of geographic frontiers, but of bureaucratic affluence........

.....and when this archival of Shame is completed, its saddest chapter, its bleakest chronicle, will be of the sons and daughters of an ancient province in the heart of this once coherent land.......a province that fed this burgeoning martial beast, with its submissive and subdued volunteers.......no Poros anywhere amongst its self-aggrandizing domesticated Alexanders........

......and yes, the hottest place in hell will be reserved for these subjugated souls of this perpetually enslaved province; for the worst amongst them, in pathetic sycophany, conspired and connived to conquer their own countrymen and the best amongst them, in cowardice deferral, remained neutral......... (bulleya)

Romair,

I thought you were the eternal optimist. Thats why I'm surprised to hear you say Pakistan has had it after your last visit!
Also, I hear you visited India. Havent heard your impressions

zeemax #: ....i wouldn't put too much faith in nawaz sharif.....do keep in mind that he physically stormed the supreme court and had the chief justice removed, when it was to rule against him.......that would have simply replaced him, while it still would have left his party in power......so even on a milder provocation than musharraf, he destroyed the supreme court.....

........and he jailed najam sethi, on an even milder incident.......he has simply criticized nawaz a bit.......nawaz's henchmen, actually, broke into his house and locked his wife, after picking him up......ironically, it was musharraf who freed him.....

not to mention the fact that nawaz has a long list of corruption cases against him, which i am quite sure he would not want any independent court to hear.......some of the biggest scams in pakistan were under him, from the co-operatives scandal to various others.......no one can scam like an industrialist......

.......so lets not put our eggs in a basket which has already been tried.......bb, nawaz and musharraf all have played their innings......time for all three to go.......

the defintion of an idiot is someone who wants the same person back, expecting different results.........pakistanis should not become idiots.....

if we do a quick mathematical calcuation, based on the three factors which decide politics in pakistan - Allah, amrika and army - we can figure out how the power structure will paly out.....

1. musharraf: amrika and army are with him; Allah is against him.......so he get 2 positive and one negative....total = 2 -1 = 1

2. benazir: ...amrika is on her side......army is against her.......and Allah is undecided......she has one positive and one negative........total = 1 - 1 =0......

3. nawaz sharif:....amrika and army are against him.......Allah is with him........total = 1 -2 = -1

4. mqm: amrika and army are with them, while Allah is agains them.......total = 2 -1 = 1

5. mma: armika is against them.......Allah is with them.....army is undecided.........total = 1 -1 = 0

6. imran khan: amrika and army are against.....while Allah is with him.......total = 1 - 2 = -1

......so the most stable group is mqm at +1, which will get re-elected........then it is musharraf at +1........followed by benazir at 0 and maulvis at 0.......imran khan and nawaz are out at -1........

add-on:

...and yes ... I have no doubt nawaz sharif will hold out. He is the only person on the scene who has the proven credentials to put this country back on track, and he knows that.

#134/135 Posted by hamidm2,

You're missing a point here. Do you mean musharraf as president combined with no martial-law? Do you mean the Judiciary restored? Surely, if martial-law is lifted and the constitution restored, then all the fired judges will have to be restored. No? What's your solution for that?

NS's clear demand is (1) Lifting of martial-law (2) Restoration of judiciary; and (3) Free & Fair elections.

Can all these be met?

However, the above are the only three things which can still save the federation which is called Pakistan.

....imran khan is the one person, who will be totally opposed by the usa......he has openly stated that he will not support the usa's gwot in the manner it is being carried out today......

......i think bush's recent failures with musharraf and the fact that bush has been forced to declare musharraf a trustworthy ally, has shown how dependent the usa is on pakistan........

.......nearly the complete us logistics supply line goes through pakistan to afghanistan.....if this is broken, the us forces will be in big trouble......bush already has a disaster on his hands in iraq, he will have a bigger one in afghanistan.....

in addition, afghanis are old trained fighters.....unlike iraqis......afghanis know when to go across the border and when to stay put.......bush and nato will need to put large forces on the afghan side of the border, if they want to stop afghanis and cut off their supply lines.......this means the afghanis will kill more us and nato soldiers, as they will be sitting ducks on the border......

the solution to this is to have pakistan put 60000 of its soldiers on its side of the border.....to stop the afghanis, once they have crossed over.......this will result in pakistani soldiers getting killed and the war being fought on the pakistani side of the border and not on the afghani side.....

......so this whole myth of usa bombing pakistan to bits, if pakistan did not do what the usa wants, has come untrue.......musharraf has done mostly what he wants, yet the usa is still with him.......he has correctly called bush's bluff......they both need each other.......

Let me break everyone's BS here to announce the good news that Imran Khan has been released from prison before he starved himself to death, now he can grow up and do even greater good, Inshallah.