Why the American War on Terror is Failing Miserably

Romair,

I thought you were the eternal optimist. Thats why I'm surprised to hear you say Pakistan has had it after your last visit!
Also, I hear you visited India. Havent heard your impressions

"The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in a time of moral crisis, remain neutral."..........(Dante)

....when, in 100 years, history is written, of a country that once existed on the banks of the kabul and the indus, it will be said: its downfall was brought about, not by the torrents of invading Spartans; nor by the maladies of invading contagions....neither drenched by cataclysmic floods, nor pinched by ravenous famines.....

...........destroyed by its own gaurdians, it was - gureillas, gunners, airmen and infrantrymen.....pilots, sappers, scouts and sailors -....whose greatest victories came against their own citizens and worst defeats came against its nation's antoganists.......its commanders - intrepid in power, faint-hearted in defiance.......its foot-soldiers - beaten, brusied, misguided, hoodwinkded and humiliated till they knew not what was right and what was wrong.....where treason was bravery and ethics was mutiny........custodians - not of geographic frontiers, but of bureaucratic affluence........

.....and when this archival of Shame is completed, its saddest chapter, its bleakest chronicle, will be of the sons and daughters of an ancient province in the heart of this once coherent land.......a province that fed this burgeoning martial beast, with its submissive and subdued volunteers.......no Poros anywhere amongst its self-aggrandizing domesticated Alexanders........

......and yes, the hottest place in hell will be reserved for these subjugated souls of this perpetually enslaved province; for the worst amongst them, in pathetic sycophany, conspired and connived to conquer their own countrymen and the best amongst them, in cowardice deferral, remained neutral......... (bulleya)

#144 Posted by bulleya

Rebuttal to a wild rant:

....do keep in mind that he physically stormed the supreme court

And Ch. Shujaat was the federal interior minister at the time. How come he allowed the mob to gather outside SC?

In fact, the disturbance was over supporters with passes not being allowed to enter SC to watch the proceedings. They tried to force their way in. There was no 'Storming of SC'.

... and had the chief justice removed, when it was to rule against him ..

And he was also the only sitting Prime Minister EVER to appear before a judge in person when summoned. Does that amount to respect for judiciary?

... that would have simply replaced him, while it still would have left his party in power.......

Not correct. The case was for contempt of court with a maximum penalty of six months which is routinely waived upon apology. No one has ever been jailed for contempt.

......so even on a milder provocation than musharraf, he destroyed the supreme court.....

Nor correct. See above.

........and he jailed najam sethi, on an even milder incident.......

Again, not correct. It was Military Intelligence (MI) which picked najam sethi up for investigation and MI does not report to the PM. Check your facts.

...he has simply criticized nawaz a bit.......

No. Sethi, after having been the National Security Adviser with access to sensitive information, went to an enemy country and publicly called Pakistan a 'failed state'.

...nawaz's henchmen, actually, broke into his house and locked his wife, after picking him up......

No. It was the Military intelligence which picked him up.

...ironically, it was musharraf who freed him.....

Who else? Of-course the army freed him because the army had picked him up in the first place.

...not to mention the fact that nawaz has a long list of corruption cases against him,

Name one. Just a single one please .... go on .... try.

... which i am quite sure he would not want any independent court to hear.......

Yeah but which one? Can you name just one case against NS for corruption? And I mean a 'case', not media character assassination.

some of the biggest scams in pakistan were under him, from the co-operatives scandal ...

Bhai, co-operatives were owned by your Chaudhries of Gujrat and not the NS family. I am quite disappointed with your lack of information made worse with wild rants.

to various others.......no one can scam like an industrialist......

Like ??? As in ???

...the defintion of an idiot

I think we've just discovered the personification of that definition right here.

War on terror is failing? lets see, since 2001, the fight has been taken tot the muslim world...the result is that the muslim world is busy fighting amongst each other..Iraq is going to be divided and will fight among themselves, Palestine as a state is now a dream once again..the land has been split and the west is fine with hamas and fatah killing each other..Pakistan is going through internal strife....factionalism developing. US is now in more muslim lands directly or indirectly than ever...I am not sure if why one would thnk the wear is failing? If anything..visions of the islamic arc stretching from philippines to France has suffered a serious setback. Iran will be next..and ofcourse the arabs will take the lead. So things are looking good.

US war on terror is failing?

only in the dreams of the CPI(M) supporters...

#145 Posted by shankar on November 21, 2007 9:04:24 am


I thought you were the eternal optimist.


optimist is different from self-deluded..

optimist sees the glass as half full.

the self-deluded see 5 glasses full of rooh afzha when, in fact, there is no glass to begin with...

sheesh..i thought you were a shrink..

#140 Posted by bulleya on November 21, 2007 8:25:49 am


has shown how dependent the usa is on pakistan...


yes..the US is totally dependent on pureland..in fact, I predict that the US will lean on India to give up Indian Kashmir and Kashmir will banega pureland in 5 to 10 years..

oh wait..that was your prediction...6 years ago..

romair
[...is one difference this time.....the military is being asked to bomb its own citizens....]

Well, you bombed your own citizens in 1971... but nothing really happened to military then... so what's the difference?

romair
[...is one difference this time.....the military is being asked to bomb its own citizens....]

Well, you bombed your own citizens in 1971... but nothing really happened to military then... so what's the difference?

#138 Posted by bulleya on November 21, 2007 7:56:41 am


when i first returned from pakistan, that pakistan had had it.


dayum...this means t-shirts with paki flags don't have a market among the faithful in pureland..let along indians, arabs and sti lankans in the US..

excellent article...The war IS being lost...

Read this today from the Guardian:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/afghanistan/story/0,,2214813,00.html

A fghanistan 'falling into Taliban hands'


Richard Norton-Taylor
Wednesday November 21, 2007
Guardian Unlimited

Taliban fighter
A Taliban fighter

The Taliban has a permanent presence in 54% of Afghanistan and the country is in serious danger of falling into the group's hands, according to a report by an independent thinktank with long experience in the area.

Despite the presence of tens of thousands of Nato-led troops and billions of dollars in aid, the insurgents, driven out by the US invasion in 2001, now control "vast swaths of unchallenged territory, including rural areas, some district centres, and important road arteries," the Senlis Council says in a report released today.

On the basis of what it calls exclusive research, it warns that the insurgency is also exercising a "significant amount of psychological control, gaining more and more political legitimacy in the minds of the Afghan people, who have a long history of shifting alliances and regime change".

It says that the frontline is getting ever closer to Kabul - a warning echoed by the UN, which says more and more of the country is becoming a "no go" area for western aid and development workers.

The council goes as far as to state: "It is a sad indictment of the current state of Afghanistan that the question now appears to be not if the Taliban will return to Kabul, but when this will happen and in what form. The oft-stated aim of reaching the city in 2008 appears more viable than ever and it is incumbent upon the international community to implement a new strategic paradigm for Afghanistan before time runs out".

Its 110-page report coincides with an equally severe warning from Oxfam. In a report for the House of Commons international development committee, the humanitarian and aid agency warns that the security situation in Afghanistan is deteriorating significantly with the country's problems exacerbated by corruption in central and local government.

The report warns that urgent action is needed to avert a humanitarian disaster in which millions of Afghans face "severe hardship comparable with sub-Saharan Africa". Though the country has received more than $15bn in aid since 2001, the money is not getting to the people who need it most or to projects that could lead to sustained improvements in their lives, Oxfam says.

At least 1,200 civilians have been killed so far this year, it adds - half in operations by international or Afghan forces. There are four times as many air strikes by international forces in Afghanistan than in Iraq, Oxfam notes.

Senior British and US military commanders privately agree despite their public emphasis on short-term successes against Taliban fighters.

The insurgency is divided into a largely poverty-driven "grassroots" component and a concentrated group of "hardcore militant Islamists", says the Senlis Council, which has an office in Kabul and field researchers based in Helmand and Kandahar provinces in southern Afghanistan.

It says that the Nato-led International Security Force, Isaf, should have double the current number of 40,000 troops and should include forces from Muslim countries as well as those Nato states which have refused to send troops to the country or insist, like France and Germany, that they must not be involved in combat operations.

There is no sign, despite pressure from the US and Britain, of any move within Nato to send reinforcements to Afghanistan.

While western governments, like the Senlis Council and Oxfam, are increasingly concerned about the lack of effectiveness of President Hamid Karzai's government, there is no agreement about how to solve the problems.

While the Senlis Council wants Nato forces' provincial reconstruction teams to take on a bigger role distributing aid, Oxfam says the military should stick to providing security. And while the council says opium poppies should be bought by the international community and used licitly for medical purposes, Oxfam argues that such a project would be impossible given the current state of Afghanistan.


People like hamidm...put THAT in your pipe and smoke it! You just can NOT force people to become like you want them to.
No matter how much you bomb them...

The Taliban has a permanent presence in 54% of Afghanistan and the country is in serious danger of falling into the group's hands...

#153 Posted by mohar11 on November 21, 2007 10:53:44 am

bombing short dark rice eating bingos is kosher..

so there..

#129 Posted by bulleya on November 21, 2007 6:11:18 am


....musharraf has many things in common with hosni.


not to mention that they're dictators of countries whose existence is based on denial.

absolute truths

romair mian,

....... it is nice to know that zeemax agrees with me, arjun and tahmed that you are the ultimate idiot ........ doesn't it scare you that such a diverse group of people agrees on this? ...... i guess there are some universal truths that everyone recognizes ........

hamidm #159 You need to focus on the positives.

Romair is an amiable enough person who does not fly of the handle at the drop of a hat (these are phrases I learnt in school which I need to use sometimes even if as mixed metaphors).

Also, even though he is a military boy, Romair has not sacked even one judge let alone a Chief Justice.