Why the American War on Terror is Failing Miserably

.... going back to the war on terror, it seems that mushy and the guardian of the grand temple of mecca agree that we have to join this war on terror .......... i think that is good! ... hopefully he will send saudi troops in their night clothes and air-conditioned armored mercedes to take on the wild men of waziristan and swat ...... maybe they will bring along some rolex watches to hand out to the natives ....

RIYADH: President General Pervez Musharraf met Tuesday different officials of Saudi Arab officials including the Custodian of two Holy Mosques King Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz of Saudi Arabia and expressed consensus over need for reinvigorating efforts to combat extremism and terrorism as it poses a threat to the world peace.

King Abdullah and President Musharraf were of the view that terrorism in the name of religion was a blot on the Muslims and Islam, which preaches peace, tolerance and compassion and rejects violence and extremist behaviour.

#26 Posted by tahmed32 on November 19, 2007 7:22:36 am
{" another thing on BB, further to #24: She is part of the solution for now to the extent that at this time she is shaking up Musharraf's disastrous dictatorship that needs to be ended and the Chief Justice restored. BB can then be removed in due course through the election process when the bigger problem of ending Musharraf's destruction of the pillars of Pakistani nationhood is solved."}

Hypo Chacha,
Not only can you predict the outcome of "fair and transparent" elections, but you know the exact timing for utlizing people and then trading them in for more useful tools. With citizens like you we certainly deserve the devious politicians and ruthless dictators we have always had.

#81 Hamidum {"King Abdullah and President Musharraf were of the view that terrorism in the name of religion was a blot on the Muslims and Islam,"}

Hamidumdum Sahib:

How to win the War on Terror and save Islam simultaneously

Bomb Soodi Arabia

The overwhelming number of problems for Muslims and the vast majority of terrorist supporters are associated with the Kingdom of Soodi Arabia.

9/11, AlKayda, Tally Bans, Jihadists, are mostly inspired, funded, supported by Soodi Wahaboobis.

The power structure in Soodi Arabia - the monarchy, the religious shaikhs, the religious police, and the judiciary are all deliberate contributors to the defaming and ridicule that Islam is suffering today.

Forget Mushy, forget the Paki judiciary, forget BB and get the Soodis, Wahaboobis, their judiciary, and throw the bums out of Mecca like the Holy Prophet (PBUH) did almost 1400 years ago.

#79 Posted by zeemax:

Dear Zee,

Actually, I too do not care as to who wins - the Taliban or the Army. As long as people can get rid of their rulers whenever they want to in an organized non-violent manner, I would be happy. This will not come about tomorrow, heck we do not have it in India today. But it will come about, it has to. You may think of the present non-violent civilian movement as useless. I do not. It is doing its part in reaching that goal a bit faster.

I have no doubt in my mind that the Taliban will be a disaster for Pakistan. In particular, you with all your partying will be the first to be beheaded. After you, it will be the turn of hamidm and masadi. But do not worry, the Taliban will not win. Now, the LMP is a totally different proposition. I would not be surprised if Hamidm starts sending it tax-deductable contributions.

#80 Posted by Salim_Chauhan;

Chauhan sahib,

Well said. I, for one, will perhaps stop visiting chowk if hamidm and urstruly stop interacting.

I'll Reply to this essay with an exclusive paper

#85 GT {"Chauhan sahib,
Well said. I, for one, will perhaps stop visiting chowk if hamidm and urstruly stop interacting."}

GT Bhai,
Is that what they do? ... and I thought it was some twisted Pathan mating ritual so close to the Indus that Punju rites had to be included out of sheer osmosis.

#84 Posted by GT,

Ohh GT Saheb, Swat is LMP. You didn't know that? I'm surprised.

I'll clarify it a bit more. Fazlullah is LMP. Taliban are his helpers in time of need. Remember Fazlullah had said at the very outset "Swat is not Lal Masjid who were 'bey-sar-o-samaan' (helpless and shelter less). Here we have mountains and trained people".

However, it does appear Taliban may indeed overtake the LMP because it is them who are providing the fighters and the ammunition. That will be tragic. But what can one do with the stupidity of Pakistani kanjars? Do read my iLog at the time of Lal Masjid that either agree on head-scarves or be prepared for burqas.

If Nawaz Sharif is allowed to return, it will save the obvious eventuality. If not, I think even the much milder LMP will be over-run and whatever is left of Pakistan will be ruled by Taliban.

I better go get a turban quick. Sorry, I won't be beheaded.

#88 Posted by zeemax:

Zee,
If LMP is indeed taken over by the Taliban then yes, you better get that turban.

#87 Posted by Salim_Chauhan:

Yar,
You will get me into trouble. Someone has already flagged one of my posts.

#89 GT {"Someone has already flagged one of my posts. "}

GT Sahib,
On UP that happens to almost every 3rd post. :) You mean Scout is busy on FP too?

hamidm #81 An editorial that you might find useful when trying to understand the problem.

Gen. Musharraf Is the Problem
An end to Pakistan's political crisis is incompatible with his personal ambitions.
Tuesday, November 20, 2007

...It is increasingly clear that Gen. Musharraf has become the foremost obstacle to ending Pakistan's state of emergency and revitalizing what has been a losing battle against Islamic extremists.
..Every major step Gen. Musharraf has taken in the past two weeks has been aimed at preserving his hold on power, at the expense of his country. The state of emergency he declared did not facilitate the army's fight against extremists, as he claimed, but it allowed him to fire a dozen Supreme Court judges who were considering legal challenges to his highly manipulated "reelection" as president. Yesterday the new judges appointed by Gen. Musharraf dismissed most of the challenges; they are paving the way for him to remain president even as they destroy the nascent independence of the Pakistani judiciary.

..Musharraf has sought to appease the Bush administration by announcing parliamentary elections for early January. But he has refused to lift the state of emergency and has suggested several times that he will hold the vote under de facto martial law. That would save Gen. Musharraf from the political and legal challenges that could flow from a restoration of the rule of law, since his actions after he suspended the constitution have been hugely unpopular and blatantly illegal. It could also allow him to control the results of the elections and prevent a strong showing by Pakistan's two largest secular political parties, which oppose him. But it would make a mockery of democracy and ruin the chance for Pakistan's moderate center -- its political parties, jurists, journalists and civil society groups -- to unite with the army against the growing threat of the Taliban and al-Qaeda.

The Bush administration, which for years has made the mistake of wedding itself to Gen. Musharraf rather than working to strengthen the country's secular institutions, at last is backing away slightly. President Bush telephoned the general to ask that he step down as army chief; Deputy Secretary of State John D. Negroponte said after meeting Gen. Musharraf on Saturday that "emergency rule is not compatible with free, fair and credible elections." Mr. Negroponte also met with Gen. Musharraf's likely military successor, Gen. Ashfaq Kiyani, a pro-Western moderate. But the Bush administration is still clinging to the idea that Gen. Musharraf can be induced to make a deal with opposition leader Benazir Bhutto, though she has said publicly that she will no longer work with him.

In reality, it is difficult to imagine a positive outcome to Pakistan's crisis that does not involve Gen. Musharraf's retirement. The country's best interest, and that of the United States, lies in restoring the constitution, reinstating and strengthening an independent judiciary, reopening independent media without restrictions, and holding free and fair elections in which all Pakistani parties are able to participate. As Gen. Musharraf himself has recognized, he cannot survive in office under those conditions.




http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/19/AR 2007111901197.html

#91

Editorials like this have only one purpose: look after the US interests. The problem in Pakistan is the Pak army not this general or that general.

Any editorial, write up or comment that says Gen Ash Kiyani "Gen. Musharraf's likely military successor, Gen. Ashfaq Kiyani, a pro-Western moderate" is basically BSing. Is Kiyani more pro west than Musharaf or is he more moderate than Musharaf? What is there to prove his credential? The US wants to replace Mush with Kiyani. In essence just the same person with a different first and the last name.

Intelligent Pakistani should be calling for the end of the army rule. This is one hell of an opportunity to get rid of the army for good. The non sense like Kiyani is Pro West only means that he is acceptable to the US as the next President of Pakistan. What would Pakistanis gain if Kiyani becomes the President? It is the same old, same old shiat.

This is the real reech ka naach that we are witnessing...we need to get off madaripan that gives us a new reech every five years who still dances to the same old tunes. Every five years or so we get a new Pro west Army general as the President. This cycle has to be broken and it is not going to break by posting WP's editorials on Chowk. This is arjun's game and only arjun is dumb enough to play this. Why should others emulate him?

All this WP editorial means is: Naya jaam laiya puranaa Sharabi!

HP mian we all know why the peon of the West tahmed is doing by these posts, he is pushing the US pov, he will not condemn the institution supported by the Americans that coughs up one dictator after another, he will merely look at individuals because that will do nothing to change the relationship that ensures lack of democracy and the master/slave relationship that the US perpetuates through its occupation force. You can see through this peon's posts pre Feb 2007 and the kind of vitriol he has for Musharraf now was absent then, why? because he is merely pushing what happens to be popular with the US at the current time in its adjustments in the area....

Editorial from tahmed states "The state of emergency he declared did not facilitate the army's fight against extremists, as he claimed, but it allowed him to fire a dozen Supreme Court judges who were considering legal challenges to his highly manipulated "reelection" as president. "

"Firing" the SC was a mere distraction, the real issue was the uniform. The SC would have hopped to, as they did by allowing the election to go ahead in the first case by terming the objections "umnanageable" (what kind of BS was that?) That said, these same editorials did not make any issue of the SC when the same judges took oath under the earlier PCO or when a democratic setup was illegally usurped by Musharraf earlier, at that time Bush, without even knowing the name of Musharraf was all parises for him, they do not mention anything about the judges that hopped to to the earlier dictator the Zia ul Fcuq, they were all praises for him, and they will be all praises for the next ul Fcuk that the military coughs up when it coincides with US motives in the region. After a while dictators have to be discarded because the "office" a new situation makes them get too independant and forget who put them in the position in the first place, they get all confused about "sovereignty", in other words "wo ipni awkaat bhool jatey hain", and the the American "democracy" path to "dictatorship" kicks in just like the dictator's, "dictatorial path to democracy". Flip side of the same f'ing coin....

Masadi sahib,

The peon of the West (Mush that is not Tahmed sahib) will be stepping down as COAS by the weekend it seems.

http://www.rediff.com/news/2007/nov/21pakemergency2.htm

"Pakis tan President Pervez Musharraf [Images] may quit as army chief as early as this weekend, the government's top lawyer said on Wednesday.

"The issue of President Musharraf's uniform is now a matter of days," Attorney General Malik Qayyum told reporters at the Supreme Court.

If the apex court announces its verdict on a petition challenging Musharraf's re-election in uniform by Thursday and Friday, the president might doff his uniform by this weekend, Qayyum said.

The attorney general also indicated that Musharraf was likely to take oath as early as Saturday or Sunday.

The military ruler's re-election in the October 6 presidential poll was challenged in the Supreme Court though five of the six petitions were dismissed by Musharraf's hand-picked judges on November 19.

The remaining petition, described by legal experts as a minor one, will be taken up by the apex court on Thursday.

Musharraf was unofficially declared the winner in the presidential election, which was boycotted by the opposition, but the Supreme Court had barred the Election Commission from issuing the official notification of the result till it decided on his candidature.

After declaring emergency on November 3, Musharraf sacked most of the judges of the Supreme Court, including many of those who were hearing the case related to his re-election.

New judges who endorsed the emergency were sworn in later.

Musharraf has insisted that he will take oath as a civilian president for his next term once the apex court validated his election victory.

The Election Commission on Tuesday announced the schedule for the general election to be held on January 8."

Regards

HP #92 That editorial was for Hamidm to consider, as you will note. Since he had been up in arms about maulvis being the problem (as Mush has been claiming), and this editorial indicates that Mush's game is up. And that to me is progress, since (as I have been pointing out to zeemax earlier), the mullahs are merely musharraf's bogeymen that he has used for job security.

On the bigger issue, I of course fully agree. The military in Pakistan has to be put in its place - it's job is to serve the Pakistani people, not rule over them. The central question is How?

To me there has never been a better time than now to do now.