Why the American War on Terror is Failing Miserably

add-on:

nawaz sharif will come out smelling like roses either way ...... no?

No. No party will boycott elections and it will be a repeat of 2002. If Nawaz boycotts, he will be iso9lated and out of politics forever. There're plenty of soul-less mofos in that country who will still go along with musharraf ....

So musharraf is here to stay for the foreseeable future. I.e. till he is yanked out by who else but whom you detest!!

Dash,

If dropping daisy cutters solved all problems, Yanks wud have won the war in Iraq and A'stan by now.

Regards

Musharraf's visit to SA: He got a whopping from his papa the other day and now he's running to his mama for consolation. Like I said months back, he is going to sublease the mian's summer home in SA, if he is lucky enough to make it there before the US does what it did with the previous peon, the Zia ul Fcuk....Regarding the mullah not giving a damn about anything, when did they give a damn about anything other than halwa, they live in a different world and they fight their mythical battles all the time, the world passed them by before and will pass them by again, why Zeemax wastes himself like this is beyond me.....

#18 that by itself would not solve it but surely will start the process of softening them up....the army is not wiling to strongarm its way right now - since the strongarm tactics decision will be theirs. OTOH if BiBiunder a democratic dispensation orders them to do so the army will do so .....that is what I am saying...

That might stop the armymen giving up their ghost for a few more minutes...but what happens after that will depend on the GHQ and others....

Musharraf's visit to SA: He got a whopping from his papa the other day and now he's running to his mama for consolation. Like I said months back, he is going to sublease the mian's summer home in SA, if he is lucky enough to make it there before the US does what it did with the previous peon, the Zia ul Fcuk....Regarding the mullah not giving a damn about anything, when did they give a damn about anything other than halwa, they live in a different world and they fight their mythical battles all the time, the world passed them by before and will pass them by again, why Zeemax wastes himself like this is beyond me.....

#19 Posted by masadi,

...why Zeemax wastes himself like this is beyond me.....

"Amr b'il maroof wa nahi'an al-munkir" !

majumdar writes "There is no evidence to suggest that the average living standard of Americans has fallen"

Of course there is, look at the structure of the job market where temp agencies are now major employers, people have to work two to three jobs to make less pay then when manufacturing jobs relocated, not to mention the falling average wage for the bottom 50%, who are in debt, i.e. negative net worth...having lost over 80% of their wealth in the past two decades; however that is a debate not for this thread, neither do I want to revisit what has already been thoroughly on here

Salman Ahmad of Janoon fame speaks the truth on Washington Post. Summary: Musharraf and BB are both playing games, and the real choice is between the Chief Justice and the rule of law vs. personal politics of Musharraf and BB.

PS: Welcome back zeemax. zeemax/hamidm: Perhaps you need to stop, in your different ways, taking mullahs so seriously. Note how the mullahs dont even figure in these choices - that is how important they are when you get serious about Pakistani issues!! They are mere bogeymen in musharraf's charade.

Excerpt:

A False Choice for Pakistan

By Salman Ahmad
Monday, November 19, 2007;

As Pakistan descends into political chaos, much attention has been given to two leaders competing for power -- the current dictator, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, and the media-savvy former prime minister, Benazir Bhutto. The White House appears to be backing Musharraf as its best bet in the "war on terror," while much of the world's media and Western liberal elite see Bhutto as a democratic savior for a country mired in Islamic fundamentalism.

Both fail to recognize the core problem plaguing Pakistani society: Without a strong and independent judiciary, Pakistan, a nuclear-armed state, will forever be at the mercy of dictators and power-hungry politicians. Lack of oversight and institutional accountability leads to coups, counter-coups and perpetual instability.

As an artist and social activist, I have worked with the governments of both Musharraf and Bhutto on peace initiatives and socially uplifting themes. I have been disillusioned by their lack of commitment to getting real work done; they appear to spend most of their time consolidating their power bases.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/18/AR2007111800 948.html

Masadi sahib,

Can you back up #23 with any credible evidence. Thanks in advance.

And surely if manufacturing jobs have been destroyed in USA lots more must have been created in China, India and Vietnam and the likes. What about that?

Regards

another thing on BB, further to #24: She is part of the solution for now to the extent that at this time she is shaking up Musharraf's disastrous dictatorship that needs to be ended and the Chief Justice restored. BB can then be removed in due course through the election process when the bigger problem of ending Musharraf's destruction of the pillars of Pakistani nationhood is solved.

Majumdar
The evidence in the UK is as the manufacturing jobs migrated, the new jobs that are created are in services sector, finance, banking, but vast majority as low wage burger flippers and security guards etc.

Re: # 25 The credible evidence is that that about 2-3 years ago the starting pay of an auto assembly line worker was $33-36/hr; currently it has been reduced to $13-17/hr. The workforce at supplier base is suffering even more where line worker is now making closely $10-14/hr.

majumdar writes "Can you back up #23 with any credible evidence. Thanks in advance."

Data on US avergae real wage and debts based on population by income and wealth is available widely on the net, regarding the manufacturing jobs created instead of those lost, weren't we talking of the standard of living in America of Americans? In the case of Mexico the average wage for the worker has been suppressed quite a bit after Nafta, the case of China regarding the factory workers isn't too much better either, read the trade report by Oxfam that documents many of these facts. There are many studies on this, but you had no clue about any but made a claim regardless, just like you do while defending the MAJ. It is not my job to do your homework

Re: # 27 that is because manufacturing here was no longer competetive nor was it world class - recall Leyland and Rover....!

The quest is for people who can compete to create the wealth for the rest of the country to enjoy.....

Funny that we have cheerleaders amongst Pakistanis who fall all over themselves to be more American and liberal than the most liberal American. The only people left who feel that the War on Terror is going well are the ones who still believe that Bush is the best President ever....and if you have been following the news you will know that he just beat Nixon as the most unpopular President ever in the history of Gallup. His ratings are even lower than those of OJ Simpson during his murder trial. Its a totally moot point and those left who still believe that its going well should call the President and offer their services cause he's desperately looking for people to stand with him.

For people like Hamidm who live in Detroit and married women who have experience the studliness of Imran Khan...you have greater issues to worry about than trying to win a debate with everyone on Chowk at the same time. Detroit is losing jobs like there is no tomorrow and the axe could drop on you any day. As for the other matter, just spend more time with her cause Chowkies are here today and gone tomorrow but a wife is forever....at least until Imran decides to relight an old flame.

#27 Urstruly: Detroit worker's salary are going down in large part due to competition from Japan - and Japan is basically competing on the basis of factory automation and quality control, not low wages.