Pakistani Judges - Read This Lawyer’s Oath

Dear majumdar,

Your post is wasted on the internet freak here masadi who probably had to do odd jobs to get his failed masters thesis publish in a binder.

Quaid-e-Azam is the ideal of Imran Khan, Bhutto and all Pakistani leaders, I am wondering why Musharraf still continues to aspire to him as if he has no shame.

in #13 read "he used Islam and the sentiments that go with him "

as "he used Islam and the sentiments that go with it

Majumdar and rf, I have debated at length the merits/demerits of the MAJ with the high priest of his Church, Manto here over two to three threads. Here I presented only a summary.

The Ata Turk was a fool who ensured perpetual slavery of his people to the West, what we see today when they go begging to join the EU and are rebuked or when they try to distance themselves from their Islamic heritage and language. Trying to be a liberator of your people and then emulating the Ata Turk because he will make you more western and acceptible to those you worship does not do anything for me to prove that the snake was anything good.

Regarding dictatorship, when the MAJ installed himself as GG of Pakistan, King of a country for all intents and purposes, that was no democracy in action. Regarding his hypocritical call for "secularism", he used Islam and the sentiments that go with him (imagery for which his sidekick the Allama developed) for the purpose of gaining a country. That sentimentality using Islam, resulted in reactions on a large scale that cause widespread bloodshed for which Jinnah is responsible. Regarding the Feudals and the Colonials both were very happy with the division, one to consolidate their wealth which they have managed to to this day, the others to use us for their many dirty tasks which they have to this day. Perhaps the major commonality among the MAJ and the other "dog ugly" person, is that MAJ fragmented the Muslim political power and voice in India, thereby fragmenting our solidarity and ensuring that those left behind in India live as third class citizens because of that reduced political power and the reactionism produced by his shenanigans. Musharraf is doing the same to fragment Pakistan today. They are both alike and they both are/were damn criminals...

Re: # 9

shishapa

"If Mr. Jinnah had perpetuated him for eight years,
may be you could then have compared him with Musharraf."

Specualtive, unrelated and baseless. Had MAJ lived for another eight years, its quite possible Pakistan wud have had a totally different chapter in democracy. This theory holds more credence given Jinnah's democratic credentials in united India. Who knows, Jinnah may eben had dominion status that he so fondly wished. Specualtive.

Re: # 9
Fair enough!! If Jinnah perpetuated himself against the will of people then would be the same consequences as of Mush'.
Most were admirer (admiration not devotion) of Mush for his policies till he revealed his despotism. He could'nt turn into devotion but lost admiration as well.

i dont understand y those who r really heared, dont demand for reinstatement of independent minded constitutional judges beside lifting of emergency, restoration of constitution and free and fair elections...

Re: # 8

That is not a fair comparison. You should compare first year and half of Musharraf. I think he had
millions of devotees then.
If I remember correctly, except zeemax, almost
every Pakistani on the chowk was his devotee.
If Mr. Jinnah had perpetuated him for eight years,
may be you could then have compared him with
Musharraf.

Re: # 4
masadi, your analysis is debateable but one must not use such offensive terms for customary respected leader.

There can be lots of arguments but the one major distinction that prevail over every theory of resemblence: Jinnah had/has millions of devotees but what about Mush...hatred by millions.

Aisha boudi,

Welcome back. Well written article. Like any other nation Pakistan's well being would depend on ALL its citizens being fanatics about establishing the rule of law in the country.

Masadi sahib,

(Both admire the ata-turk)

And what is wrong about it. The guy was a genuine hero who saved his nation. Coming to the two -MAJ (pbuh) created one, Mush is trying his level best to destroy one.

(Both subverted democracy by assuming dictatorial powers)

Completely untrue in the case of MAJ. He was elected by the reprsentatives of the Muslim community in India. His status was based on support from ML members and ML's standing was based on the electoral support of Indian Muslims.

(Both killed their own for ulterior motive by following a farce, MAJ the colonial/Feudal farce of the "two nation theory")

Untrue again in case of MAJ- The violence was becuase the leaders were overtaken by incidents and Lord M's karnamas.

(Both are dog ugly)

Beauty lies in the eye of the beholder, so I will not comment on this.

(Both had/have no clue about Islam but are hell bent on using it for ulterior political motive)

MAJ was rightly concerned that Muslims may get a bad deal in united India and wanted to give them a nation of their deal. He was more concerned with giving Muslims a nation of their own rather than establish an Islamic state.

(Both were/are peons of the West.)

Dont see how a man who fought for the independence of his nation from Brits can be considered a peon of the West.

Regards

Re: # 4

what happened maasadi? did'nt get your daily dose of attention? I consider this below your general average, surely u can do better than this.

(1) Both admire the ata-turk? good for them. Although MAJ was honest in his likings, compared to wonder-dog who seems to change his qibla depending upon the change of winds.

(2)Both subverted democracy by assuming dictatorial powers

MAJ led a life of clean, honest beliefs founded in the principles of justice and was a true follower in principles of democracy. If u fail to c that, that is your loss. As for the current demo-krasy whiz-kid, well less said the better.

(3)Both killed their own for ulterior motive by following a farce, MAJ the colonial/Feudal farce of the "two nation theory", and Musharraf the US farcial WOT.

Two nation theory was successful in achieving MAJ (ML) objectives. How many politicians can emulate the same? Not many. As for the killing bit, well MAJ cannot be blamed for the partition murders. Mushy is guilty every single bit, then again he too successfully hoodwinked the west in believing his story.

(4)Both are dog ugly

Looking in the mirror?

(5)Both had/have no clue about Islam but are hell bent on using it for ulterior political motive

MAJ never advocated use of Islam, his policies were secular, lifestyle western, choice of marriage or clothes represented a modernized man. As for the current general, seems to have no clue at all.

(6)Both were/are peons of the West.

Carrying all the inferiority complex must be truly agitating. Not to worry, take some joshanda and isbaghol kee bhutwee, inshallah istifada hoga.

This person doesnt make me feel like "all are welcome to read and write on chowk" especially the use of the term dog

Enough of this Jinnah worship. Jinnah and Musharraf have more things (in broad perspective) in common than you can imagine:

1. Both admire the ata-turk
2. Both subverted democracy by assuming dictatorial powers
3. Both killed their own for ulterior motive by following a farce, MAJ the colonial/Feudal farce of the "two nation theory", and Musharraf the US farcial WOT.
4. Both are dog ugly
5. Both had/have no clue about Islam but are hell bent on using it for ulterior political motive
6. Both were/are peons of the West.

The reality is not just the dictator. It’s the entire coterie of opportunist.

Benazir who looks up to Washington while allowing the jialas to be killed and jailed in a Noora Bonanza.

MMA, the B Team who put a spanner in the dissolution of NWFP Assembly and then got Imran arrested in a most disgraceful manner.

Waiting in wings politicians ever ready to jump the boat, latest being Salman Taseer and that great PPP lobbyist from USA.

Media like CNBC and Business Plus with Mubbashir Luqman now becoming a minister.

Lawyers who are only willing to join a movement if its success is guaranteed.

While in Lahore Benazir stayed in the house of Khosa. He is in illegal occupation of this house of a widow. Now suddenly, the courts are turning the verdict in his favour.
http://www.chowk.com/unplugged/t/46831

Tucked within the fold of these exigencies are deals, scams and financial stakes.

Who bothers for judiciary, lawyers and Imran Khan. For these corrupt elites, life goes on as usual and that is what matters.

Yeh Munsif Bhi to Qaidi Hain
Humain Insaaf Kiya Dain Gey

Likha hai in kay Chehroon Par
Jo humain Faislah Dain Gey

Habib Jalib

(from my aging old memory banks)

Sir Winston Churchill, will be wailing in grave. "Did,nt I helped Jinnah"