Secret Life of Gays in New Delhi

#12, Dotty, it depends on your definition of kids. These "kids" are over 18, that's why they can go to pubs!

Re:10

Majumdar Sahib,

I had never heard this joke before but its very funny.
LOL

Re: # 13

because posting pictures of young women at parties and posting comments that all zeemax has to do is "bend them over" is really taking the higher ground. Loserpan

no wonder zeemax screams his head off about chowk......and this author has given him ample scope for further screaming (I think I can see zeemax's PoV in this instance).....

(a full-stop was missing. It is now included)


The authors visits places where kids are also indugled in. a quote

"A kid, leaving the bar, overheard saying on the mobile phone, "Papa, I'm studying at Vaibhav's place. Will be home in half an hour.""

I guess the author thinks kids are fair game?

The authors visits places where kids are also indugled in a quote

"A kid, leaving the bar, overheard saying on the mobile phone, "Papa, I'm studying at Vaibhav's place. Will be home in half an hour.""

I guess the author thinks kids are fair game?

Shore Sahib,

It reminds me of an old joke, hope you will not take exception.

In Greece how do you separate men from boys?
With a crowbar.

Regards

Majumdar Sahib,

In NWFP, men dont have sex with men.....

Oh no...

They have sex with underage boys in the Frontier!

Zee sahib,

(A World Bank report had said a long time ago that "a significant proportion of indian men have sex with men". )

I am sure many of your satyagrahi friends in NWFP are into this practise as well.

Regards

The desi capacity for hypocrisy never fails to amaze me! Those who protest most loudly against it probably have hidden desires themselves!

what's the big deal? Men have been having sex with other men since the time of Sodom and Gomorrah (at least) and probably before. Why make a big deal out of it? It is the biggest open secret in Pakistan and (definitely) India too as well as throughout the Orient. (In the West it is just out in the open; in the East it is 'hidden'). North Africa remains a favourite hunting ground for English and European men to find youthful males to bugger; the pathans are infamous for their predilection for pretty young boys. It is a universal thing. Yes, it is against the moral codes of most religions but it has always existed and probably always will. The only major difference I think between East and Western homosexuality is that in the East it is almost exclusively ephebophilia and pederasty--i.e. with pretty effeminite youths not with grown men of equal size...

God will be the judge of people. If someone wants to be a bacheh-baaz as the Persians say, within the confines of his 4 walls, it is no one elses problem.

Is there a bar for lesbians as well?

Ancient Indian Philosophy of Kama Sutra on Homosexuality
Chapter IX Kama Sutra: On Homosexuality

There are two kinds of eunuchs, those that are disguised as males, and those that are disguised as females. Eunuchs disguised as females imitate their dress, speech, gestures, tenderness, timidity, simplicity, softness and bashfulness. The acts that are done on the jaghana or middle parts of women, are done in the mouths of these eunuchs, and this is called Auparishtaka. These eunuchs derive their imaginable pleasure, and their livelihood from this kind of congress, and they lead the life of courtesans. So much concerning eunuchs disguised as females.

Eunuchs disguised as males keep their desires secret, and when they wish to do anything they lead the life of shampooers. Under the pretence of shampooing, a eunuch of this kind embraces and draws towards himself the thighs of the man whom he is shampooing, and after this he touches the joints of his thighs and his jaghana, or central portions of his body. Then, if he finds the lingam of the man erect, he presses it with his hands and chaffs him for getting into that state. If after this, and after knowing his intention, the man does not tell the eunuch to proceed, then the latter does it of his own accord and begins the congress. If however he is ordered by the man to do it, then he disputes with him, and only consents at last with difficulty.|

The following eight things are then done by the eunuch one after the other:

The nominal congress
Biting the sides
Pressing outside
Pressing inside
Kissing
Rubbing
Sucking a mango fruit
Swallowing up

At the end of each of these, the eunuch expresses his wish to stop, but when one of them is finished, the man desires him to do another, and after that is done, then the one that follows it, and so on.

When, holding the man's lingam with his hand, and placing it between his lips, the eunuch moves about his mouth, it is called the 'nominal congress'.

When, covering the end of the lingam with his fingers collected together like the bud of a plant or flower, the eunuch presses the sides of it with his lips, using his teeth also, it is called 'biting the sides'.

When, being desired to proceed, the eunuch presses the end of the lingam with his lips closed together, and kisses it as if he were drawing it out, it is called the 'outside pressing'.

When, being asked to go on, he puts the lingam further into his mouth, and presses it with his lips and then takes it out, it is called the 'inside pressing'.

When, holding the lingam in his hand, the eunuch kisses it as if he were kissing the lower lip, it is called 'kissing'.

When, after kissing it, he touches it with his tongue everywhere, and passes the tongue over the end of it, it is called 'rubbing'.

When, in the same way, he puts the half of it into his mouth, and forcibly kisses and sucks it, this is called 'sucking a mango fruit'.

And lastly, when, with the consent of the man, the eunuch puts the whole lingam into his mouth, and presses it to the very end, as if he were going to swallow it up, it is called 'swallowing up'.

Striking, scratching, and other things may also be done during this kind of congress.

The Auparishtaka (fellatio) is practised also by unchaste and wanton women, female attendants and serving maids, i.e. those who are not married to anybody, but who live by shampooing.

The Acharyas (i.e. ancient and venerable authors) are of opinion that this Auparishtaka is the work of a dog and not of a man, because it is a low practice, and opposed to the orders of the Holy Writ, and because the man himself suffers by bringing his lingam into contact with the mouths of eunuchs and women. But Vatsyayana says that the orders of the Holy Writ do not affect those who resort to courtesans, and the law prohibits the practice of the Auparishtaka with married women only. As regards the injury to the male, that can be easily remedied.

The people of Eastern India do not resort to women who practise the Auparishtaka.

The people of Ahichhatra resort to such women, but do nothing with them, so far as the mouth is concerned.

The people of Saketa do with these women every kind of mouth congress, while the people of Nagara do not practise this, but do every other thing.

The people of the Shurasena country, on the southern bank of the Jumna, do everything without any hesitation, for they say that women being naturally unclean, no one can be certain about their character, their purity, their conduct, their practices, their confidences, or their speech. They are not however on this account to be abandoned, because religious law, on the authority of which they are reckoned pure, lays down that the udder of a cow is clean at the time of milking, though the mouth of a cow, and also the mouth of her calf, are considered unclean by the Hindoos. Again a dog is clean when he seizes a deer in hunting, though food touched by a dog is otherwise considered very unclean. A bird is clean when it causes a fruit to fall from a tree by pecking at it, though things eaten by crows and other birds are considered unclean. And the mouth of a woman is clean for kissing and such like things at the time of sexual intercourse. Vatsyayana moreover thinks that in all these things connected with love, everybody should act according to the custom of his country, and his own inclination.

There are also the following verses on the subject:

'The male servants of some men carry on the mouth congress with their masters. It is also practised by some citizens, who know each other well, among themselves. Some women of the harem, when they are amorous, do the acts of the mouth on the yonis of one another, and some men do the same thing with women. The way of doing this (i.e. of kissing the yoni) should be known from kissing the mouth.

When a man and woman lie down in an inverted order, i.e. with the head of the one towards the feet of the other and carry on this congress, it is called the "congress of a crow".'

For the sake of such things courtesans abandon men possessed of good qualities, liberal and clever, and become attached to low persons, such as slaves and elephant drivers. The Auparishtaka, or mouth congress, should never be done by a learned Brahman, by a minister that carries on the business of a state, or by a man of good reputation, because though the practice is allowed by the Shastras, there is no reason why it should be carried on, and need only be practised in particular cases. As for instance, the taste, and the strength, and the digestive qualities of the flesh of dogs are mentioned in works on medicine, but it does not therefore follow that it should be eaten by the wise. In the same way there are some men, some places and some times, with respect to which these practices can be made use of. A man should therefore pay regard to the place, to the time, and to the practice which is to be carried out, as also as to whether it is agreeable to his nature and to himself, and then he may or may not practise these things according to circumstances. But after all, these things being done secretly, and the mind of the man being fickle, how can it be known what any person will do at any particular time and for any particular purpose.

The Kama Sutra of Vatsayayana, Sir Richard Burton, translator (1883)

I thought India was more 'liberal' or 'accepting' on these sort of issues!!!

I'm surprised that its all so underground still in 'shining India'!

And some people need a World Bank report to find out that men have sex with men.

Well written!

Nothing new. A World Bank report had said a long time ago that "a significant proportion of indian men have sex with men".