Kolkata on Fire
Torsa Ghosal November 21, 2007
#54 Posted by TOLKININ on November 24, 2007 9:46:36 am
#49
"looks like indian muslims are slowly but surely plugging into international jihad ideology..'.
Besharm ..from Hashimpura to Gujjuriot qatal bhi karo and blame the minority 0f 10% ..Its MORE likely BJP does this as set up to massacre muslims than muslims of india insane mind would take up 90% nonm muslims wrath
"looks like indian muslims are slowly but surely plugging into international jihad ideology..'.
Besharm ..from Hashimpura to Gujjuriot qatal bhi karo and blame the minority 0f 10% ..Its MORE likely BJP does this as set up to massacre muslims than muslims of india insane mind would take up 90% nonm muslims wrath
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#53 Posted by nb on November 24, 2007 6:12:19 am
No, it has nothing at all to do with Rizwan...there has been a public outcry in Calcutta about his death, and so there should, but among Hindus as well as Muslims. As I have said on UP, this could have happened to a poor Hindu boy (don't you watch Hindi films?) but not to a rich Muslim boy who would have had his own clout.
#52 Posted by aslam644 on November 24, 2007 2:39:11 am
I thought one of the reasons for disturbance in kolkata is the mysterious death of rizwan a muslim guy who married a hindu woman. My point is this problem is not limited to India it happens even in the UK amongst Sikhs and muslims but rarely hindus.
#51 Posted by nb on November 23, 2007 6:50:54 pm
Yes, aslam, I have read Jasvinder's book. Not very interesting, but upsetting. Your point is? What does this or Ruksana Naz have to do with the topic at hand?
#50 Posted by aslam644 on November 23, 2007 2:56:55 pm
Jasvinder Sanghera
Jasvinder began by saying that she always took every opportunity to speak before an audience on this issue as in her opinion she represented the survivors of forced marriages.
Jasvinder told the audience that she was now 42 years of age but was only 14 years when she first learnt of her parent's intentions to marry her off. She had come back from school and was presented with a picture of the man she was to marry. Of course, she had seen her sisters be married off but suddenly, it was happening to her. By the time she was 15, the pressure – mostly psychological – had increased. When she stood her ground, she was locked in her room and denied any freedom of movement.
Finally, she ran away to Newcastle as no wasn't an option – that to her, signified it was a forced marriage. She further stated that it had not been her intention to run away but merely to prove the point that she did not want to get married.
However, the consequences of her actions soon became clear when she finally plucked up the courage to ring her mother after a few weeks of leaving home. She proceeded to read from two chapters of her book Shame (her story about escaping from being made to marry a man against her wishes and the reaction of her family). Her mother had shouted: Thanks to you I can't walk the streets of Derby any more; I can't go the gurdwara (i.e. the Sikh temple) because people are talking. People spit at me.
After a pause, her mother continued: You'll get what you deserve for ruining your family. You'll see. In a few months time you and your chamar (i.e. lower caste) boyfriend will be rolling around in a gutter which is no more than you deserve. You will amount to nothing, nothing, do you hear me? I hope you give birth to a daughter who does to you what you have done to me, then you'll know what it feels like to raise a prostitute. Jasvinder tried to defend herself, only to hear: Live your life then, and good luck to you. In our eyes you're dead.
Jasvinder then read a passage detailing a telephone conservation between her mother and herself about her older sister Robina – who had secretly kept in touch with her, despite disownment by the family.
What's happened?
She said, It's Robina….She died….She's dead.'
My brain refused to process this. No….Robina was my living, breathing, vibrant elder sister; she was part of me…We'd shared a bed, we'd walked to school together, she bought me clothes for my wedding, I'd seen her just a week ago. 'What do you mean, dead? How has she died, Mum?' The word came out mechanically. I was on autopilot.
There was a pause. I thought I heard a sob. 'She committed suicide. She set herself on fire and died in hospital'.
The world seemed to stop.
My legs went weak and I felt completely hollow. Numb with shock, I stood there listening to this weird, sub-human noise. Then I realised it was howling, and it was coming out of me. I steadied myself up against the wall and said, 'Mum, I'm coming to Derby, Right now'.
'No.' she said it really loudly. 'Don't come to Derby. Don't come here; don't show your face here. You'll just make things worse.'
'Mum. Robina is dead. Are you not going to let me come to the house?'
'No. You will make it worse.' She hesitated. 'You can come when it's dark and nobody is here.'
I said, 'Mum, please….'
'No. I'm telling you, you'll make it worse.'
Jasvinder closed her book and turned to the audience: That's what you get when you fight for your rights. You're seen as the perpetrator, not the victim. Jasvinder told the audience that suicide amongst 16-24 year old Asian women was 2-3 times higher than the national average. Forced marriage was a real issue. Her organisation, Karma Nirvana, dealt with 7 forced marriages cases a week (of both men and women). She implored the audience that one should Never make a woman believe forced marriage is alright. Her family had made her believe that to go against her family, she had shamed them.
She observed that the Home Office's Forced Marriage Unit dealt with 250 cases a year, 50% of which concerned minors. She lambasted the political correctness that had allowed the practice of forced marriage to continue. It was a human rights issue in her eyes. She supported Lord Lester's Bill on Forced Marriages as it ensured that forced marriage was seen as a crime.
Jasvinder then told the stories of two women who had not survived:
Ruhksana Naz
Her family had found out she had a boyfriend and was forced to marry someone of their choosing. Upon marrying, she became pregnant and her mother, on the mere suspicion that the child was not her husband's, told her to abort the child (she was 7 months pregnant) or the family would kill her. One day, her mother and brother took her down to the cellar. Her mother sat on Ruhksana's legs whilst her brother strangled her to death.
Jasvinder began by saying that she always took every opportunity to speak before an audience on this issue as in her opinion she represented the survivors of forced marriages.
Jasvinder told the audience that she was now 42 years of age but was only 14 years when she first learnt of her parent's intentions to marry her off. She had come back from school and was presented with a picture of the man she was to marry. Of course, she had seen her sisters be married off but suddenly, it was happening to her. By the time she was 15, the pressure – mostly psychological – had increased. When she stood her ground, she was locked in her room and denied any freedom of movement.
Finally, she ran away to Newcastle as no wasn't an option – that to her, signified it was a forced marriage. She further stated that it had not been her intention to run away but merely to prove the point that she did not want to get married.
However, the consequences of her actions soon became clear when she finally plucked up the courage to ring her mother after a few weeks of leaving home. She proceeded to read from two chapters of her book Shame (her story about escaping from being made to marry a man against her wishes and the reaction of her family). Her mother had shouted: Thanks to you I can't walk the streets of Derby any more; I can't go the gurdwara (i.e. the Sikh temple) because people are talking. People spit at me.
After a pause, her mother continued: You'll get what you deserve for ruining your family. You'll see. In a few months time you and your chamar (i.e. lower caste) boyfriend will be rolling around in a gutter which is no more than you deserve. You will amount to nothing, nothing, do you hear me? I hope you give birth to a daughter who does to you what you have done to me, then you'll know what it feels like to raise a prostitute. Jasvinder tried to defend herself, only to hear: Live your life then, and good luck to you. In our eyes you're dead.
Jasvinder then read a passage detailing a telephone conservation between her mother and herself about her older sister Robina – who had secretly kept in touch with her, despite disownment by the family.
What's happened?
She said, It's Robina….She died….She's dead.'
My brain refused to process this. No….Robina was my living, breathing, vibrant elder sister; she was part of me…We'd shared a bed, we'd walked to school together, she bought me clothes for my wedding, I'd seen her just a week ago. 'What do you mean, dead? How has she died, Mum?' The word came out mechanically. I was on autopilot.
There was a pause. I thought I heard a sob. 'She committed suicide. She set herself on fire and died in hospital'.
The world seemed to stop.
My legs went weak and I felt completely hollow. Numb with shock, I stood there listening to this weird, sub-human noise. Then I realised it was howling, and it was coming out of me. I steadied myself up against the wall and said, 'Mum, I'm coming to Derby, Right now'.
'No.' she said it really loudly. 'Don't come to Derby. Don't come here; don't show your face here. You'll just make things worse.'
'Mum. Robina is dead. Are you not going to let me come to the house?'
'No. You will make it worse.' She hesitated. 'You can come when it's dark and nobody is here.'
I said, 'Mum, please….'
'No. I'm telling you, you'll make it worse.'
Jasvinder closed her book and turned to the audience: That's what you get when you fight for your rights. You're seen as the perpetrator, not the victim. Jasvinder told the audience that suicide amongst 16-24 year old Asian women was 2-3 times higher than the national average. Forced marriage was a real issue. Her organisation, Karma Nirvana, dealt with 7 forced marriages cases a week (of both men and women). She implored the audience that one should Never make a woman believe forced marriage is alright. Her family had made her believe that to go against her family, she had shamed them.
She observed that the Home Office's Forced Marriage Unit dealt with 250 cases a year, 50% of which concerned minors. She lambasted the political correctness that had allowed the practice of forced marriage to continue. It was a human rights issue in her eyes. She supported Lord Lester's Bill on Forced Marriages as it ensured that forced marriage was seen as a crime.
Jasvinder then told the stories of two women who had not survived:
Ruhksana Naz
Her family had found out she had a boyfriend and was forced to marry someone of their choosing. Upon marrying, she became pregnant and her mother, on the mere suspicion that the child was not her husband's, told her to abort the child (she was 7 months pregnant) or the family would kill her. One day, her mother and brother took her down to the cellar. Her mother sat on Ruhksana's legs whilst her brother strangled her to death.
#49 Posted by mohar11 on November 23, 2007 1:17:47 pm
Well, now a bunch of towns in UP are on fire...
You can't blame it all on pakis any more - these terror attacks... looks like indian muslims are slowly but surely plugging into international jihad ideology...
What say you, GT?
You can't blame it all on pakis any more - these terror attacks... looks like indian muslims are slowly but surely plugging into international jihad ideology...
What say you, GT?
#48 Posted by GT on November 22, 2007 6:41:55 pm
#45 Posted by SRK:
"I sincerely asked those questions not sarcastically."
Thanks.
"my experience most of the government transition from local to state level is smooth except for some pockets of areas."
Most (around 80%) of urban centers with a population less than equal to 100,000 do not have funds for a municipal election. Forger operating funds. Hence they are governed through the DMs, DCs etc. The funds allocated to MP, MLAs are barely sufficient for their own 'splurges'. The situation has changed drastically in a negative sense from the 70s. This is worrisome and the "India Shining" crowd are barely aware of this fact. Implementation of Panchayats is again disasterous. Only the left parties have been able to implement significant (long term) establishments. The BJP tried very hard but did not succeed, except in Gujrat. Regional parties, who you would think have an incentive to implement, failed. But this, statistics, is largely due to Naidu not being able to break into the Naxal belt. I am sure that the Naxals have some "hoopla" going (surely non-democratic), but it does not show up in the data. The AGP is a dismal failure, though I think that the Jamaat like the Naxals have some non-democratic institutions going. There is no need to talk about the Congress. In essence the only grassroot establishments, primitive and perhaps non-democratic, have been instituted by parties I immensely dislike.
"Some of these factionists joined the political parties and carried their rivalries into politics which tainted the whole democracy process."
Rivalries do not taint the democratic process. They are essential for the democratic process. Non-rivalries, i.e. backroom collusion is what is disastrous. Think about it for a moment and you will agree that most politicians, cutting across political lines, are hand-in-glove. And that is the problem. You see they need to compete and not collude. And this is possible only in a "democracy".
"With nearly 1 billion population and about 40% of them being illiterate don't you think it is natural to have these kind of problems in the democratic political process."
I would like to see these problems as the pains of the learning process, like learning calculus in high school. Furthermore, being illiterate does not mean "uneducated". I have learned the most from these "illeterate" people. One day, I promise, I will tell you a related story. But do remind me. It had to do with the proposition that "the earth is round".
Regards.
"I sincerely asked those questions not sarcastically."
Thanks.
"my experience most of the government transition from local to state level is smooth except for some pockets of areas."
Most (around 80%) of urban centers with a population less than equal to 100,000 do not have funds for a municipal election. Forger operating funds. Hence they are governed through the DMs, DCs etc. The funds allocated to MP, MLAs are barely sufficient for their own 'splurges'. The situation has changed drastically in a negative sense from the 70s. This is worrisome and the "India Shining" crowd are barely aware of this fact. Implementation of Panchayats is again disasterous. Only the left parties have been able to implement significant (long term) establishments. The BJP tried very hard but did not succeed, except in Gujrat. Regional parties, who you would think have an incentive to implement, failed. But this, statistics, is largely due to Naidu not being able to break into the Naxal belt. I am sure that the Naxals have some "hoopla" going (surely non-democratic), but it does not show up in the data. The AGP is a dismal failure, though I think that the Jamaat like the Naxals have some non-democratic institutions going. There is no need to talk about the Congress. In essence the only grassroot establishments, primitive and perhaps non-democratic, have been instituted by parties I immensely dislike.
"Some of these factionists joined the political parties and carried their rivalries into politics which tainted the whole democracy process."
Rivalries do not taint the democratic process. They are essential for the democratic process. Non-rivalries, i.e. backroom collusion is what is disastrous. Think about it for a moment and you will agree that most politicians, cutting across political lines, are hand-in-glove. And that is the problem. You see they need to compete and not collude. And this is possible only in a "democracy".
"With nearly 1 billion population and about 40% of them being illiterate don't you think it is natural to have these kind of problems in the democratic political process."
I would like to see these problems as the pains of the learning process, like learning calculus in high school. Furthermore, being illiterate does not mean "uneducated". I have learned the most from these "illeterate" people. One day, I promise, I will tell you a related story. But do remind me. It had to do with the proposition that "the earth is round".
Regards.
#47 Posted by SRK on November 22, 2007 6:30:58 pm
#46 I do not know the breakdown. The last time i checked the literacy rate was somewhere in low 60's.
#46 Posted by ahmedmadani on November 22, 2007 6:15:20 pm
Re: # 45 40% ill literatate are they old folks? As the old population dies will this portion will go to very single digit due to change in demography ? Just wonder
#45 Posted by SRK on November 22, 2007 5:45:43 pm
#43 GT
I sincerely asked those questions not sarcastically. My apologies if i gave you that impression.
I am from South, from my experience most of the government transition from local to state level is smooth except for some pockets of areas. Most of the violence is due to factionism and castiesm. Lot of the faction fights originated from economic interests not because of politics. Some of these factionists joined the political parties and carried their rivalries into politics which tainted the whole democracy process. But i think this is changing slowly.
With nearly 1 billion population and about 40% of them being illiterate don't you think it is natural to have these kind of problems in the democratic political process.
I sincerely asked those questions not sarcastically. My apologies if i gave you that impression.
I am from South, from my experience most of the government transition from local to state level is smooth except for some pockets of areas. Most of the violence is due to factionism and castiesm. Lot of the faction fights originated from economic interests not because of politics. Some of these factionists joined the political parties and carried their rivalries into politics which tainted the whole democracy process. But i think this is changing slowly.
With nearly 1 billion population and about 40% of them being illiterate don't you think it is natural to have these kind of problems in the democratic political process.
#44 Posted by GT on November 22, 2007 3:37:11 pm
Here is a report from the Indian Express. It confirms my hypothesis that Nandigram and calcutta are different. Furthermore, CPM has taken the wind out of the Jamaat (in fact they do not even mention the Jamaat, though they mention the Congress and Trinamul). Clever move.
Kolkata, November 22: Nothing illustrates better the control the CPM has on its cadres than the manner in which it got them to exercise unusual restraint yesterday in the face of a mob that attacked party offices protesting against Taslima Nasreen’s presence and the Nandigram violence.
Clearly on the defensive, the party’s strategy this time was the opposite of what it was in Nandigram, in Chief Minister Buddhadeb Bhattacharjee’s own words — “pay back in their own coin.”
Also, given that the protesters were mainly Muslim and the “cause” was both religious (Taslima) and political (Nandigram), the CPM could not afford any retaliatory flare-up across the city.
So unlike in Nandigram where cadres “recaptured” turf as the party and the administration watched, in Kolkata yesterday, restraint was the order of the day — in fact, the order of the party.
“We immediately called our leaders in Alimuddin Street (the party’s headquarters),” said Mihir Das, secretary of the CPM’s Beniapukur local committee, whose office was one of the those attacked by the protesters. “You can understand how serious the provocation was. Some in the mob were known faces of the Trinamool and Congress. We are a dominating force here and no one has ever dared to indulge in such activity. We could have taken care of them, we could have killed them but our leaders told us to observe restraint. We had to follow.”
In his police complaint, Das wrote that a mob of 200 had forced their way into the office and ransacked it before they “attempted to murder” him by “throwing me into the fire.”
Similar is the story of Manzar Ahsan, CPM councillor of Ward No 60, whose office in Tanti Bagan Lane serves as the CPM branch office as well as the training unit for an Integrated Child Development Centre. In his police complaint, Ahsan wrote: “A mob with deadly weapons like swords, hockey sticks, wooden and iron rods trespassed into our office room and drove us out...destroyed furniture, set accessories on fire...three persons attempted to kill me by pushing me in the fire.” Today, Ahsan was not available for comment but his assistant said: “The instructions were clear, we were not supposed to hit back.”
“Bahur bardasht kiya,” (We tolerated a lot), said Salma Begum, a zonal committee member of the CPM women’s wing Ganatantrik Mahila Samity. Her office at Jan Bazar Road was also the target of the mob. “They abused women leaders and our cadres threatening to attack us if we did anything. But we had clear instructions not to react. The leaders told us not to worry, not to do anything that might heighten the tempers. We listened to what the leaders said.”
According to Begum, the area has 206 full-time party members, about 6000 in the DYFI (the student’s wing), about 4000 in the women’s front and another 5000 in the “Bustee Federation” run by the party. “The strength of the troublemakers was nothing compared to what we have. We could have done anything but we did not. “
When asked about this contrast with Nandigram, Rabin Deb, Kolkata district secretariat member and CPM’s former chief whip in the Assembly, told The Indian Express: “Our instructions were not to retaliate, that the administration will take whatever steps necessary. We maintained restraint because the attack was sudden and it involved religious sentiments. How can you compare this with Nandigram, there we acted only after 11 months of restraint.”
Said CPM MP Mohammed Salim: “We did not allow our workers to walk into the trap set by the protesters.” If only, the comrades had advised the cadres similarly in Nandigram.
Kolkata, November 22: Nothing illustrates better the control the CPM has on its cadres than the manner in which it got them to exercise unusual restraint yesterday in the face of a mob that attacked party offices protesting against Taslima Nasreen’s presence and the Nandigram violence.
Clearly on the defensive, the party’s strategy this time was the opposite of what it was in Nandigram, in Chief Minister Buddhadeb Bhattacharjee’s own words — “pay back in their own coin.”
Also, given that the protesters were mainly Muslim and the “cause” was both religious (Taslima) and political (Nandigram), the CPM could not afford any retaliatory flare-up across the city.
So unlike in Nandigram where cadres “recaptured” turf as the party and the administration watched, in Kolkata yesterday, restraint was the order of the day — in fact, the order of the party.
“We immediately called our leaders in Alimuddin Street (the party’s headquarters),” said Mihir Das, secretary of the CPM’s Beniapukur local committee, whose office was one of the those attacked by the protesters. “You can understand how serious the provocation was. Some in the mob were known faces of the Trinamool and Congress. We are a dominating force here and no one has ever dared to indulge in such activity. We could have taken care of them, we could have killed them but our leaders told us to observe restraint. We had to follow.”
In his police complaint, Das wrote that a mob of 200 had forced their way into the office and ransacked it before they “attempted to murder” him by “throwing me into the fire.”
Similar is the story of Manzar Ahsan, CPM councillor of Ward No 60, whose office in Tanti Bagan Lane serves as the CPM branch office as well as the training unit for an Integrated Child Development Centre. In his police complaint, Ahsan wrote: “A mob with deadly weapons like swords, hockey sticks, wooden and iron rods trespassed into our office room and drove us out...destroyed furniture, set accessories on fire...three persons attempted to kill me by pushing me in the fire.” Today, Ahsan was not available for comment but his assistant said: “The instructions were clear, we were not supposed to hit back.”
“Bahur bardasht kiya,” (We tolerated a lot), said Salma Begum, a zonal committee member of the CPM women’s wing Ganatantrik Mahila Samity. Her office at Jan Bazar Road was also the target of the mob. “They abused women leaders and our cadres threatening to attack us if we did anything. But we had clear instructions not to react. The leaders told us not to worry, not to do anything that might heighten the tempers. We listened to what the leaders said.”
According to Begum, the area has 206 full-time party members, about 6000 in the DYFI (the student’s wing), about 4000 in the women’s front and another 5000 in the “Bustee Federation” run by the party. “The strength of the troublemakers was nothing compared to what we have. We could have done anything but we did not. “
When asked about this contrast with Nandigram, Rabin Deb, Kolkata district secretariat member and CPM’s former chief whip in the Assembly, told The Indian Express: “Our instructions were not to retaliate, that the administration will take whatever steps necessary. We maintained restraint because the attack was sudden and it involved religious sentiments. How can you compare this with Nandigram, there we acted only after 11 months of restraint.”
Said CPM MP Mohammed Salim: “We did not allow our workers to walk into the trap set by the protesters.” If only, the comrades had advised the cadres similarly in Nandigram.
#43 Posted by GT on November 22, 2007 3:11:17 pm
#42 Posted by SRK:
"What is your vision of democracy?"
At the least, a set-up where a majority of the people who care have the ability to change the "rulers" without violence over a period of time if they want to. By "rulers", I mean all those at the central, state and panchayat/municipal levels. We are doing reasonably at the central level. We need to do more at the other levels.
"What needs to be changed in India for you to change your opnion?"
I am skeptical of a few people making "changes". It is a process of group dynamics. I think we are going in the right direction, though with a lot of hiccups. I doubt whether "experts" can make things better at the group level. Individually we do what we can.
"Do you have any examples of ideal democracy that currently exists in the world?"
No, but Western Europe and the US are far ahead of us.
p.s. Sorry for giving serious answers to sarcastic questions.
"What is your vision of democracy?"
At the least, a set-up where a majority of the people who care have the ability to change the "rulers" without violence over a period of time if they want to. By "rulers", I mean all those at the central, state and panchayat/municipal levels. We are doing reasonably at the central level. We need to do more at the other levels.
"What needs to be changed in India for you to change your opnion?"
I am skeptical of a few people making "changes". It is a process of group dynamics. I think we are going in the right direction, though with a lot of hiccups. I doubt whether "experts" can make things better at the group level. Individually we do what we can.
"Do you have any examples of ideal democracy that currently exists in the world?"
No, but Western Europe and the US are far ahead of us.
p.s. Sorry for giving serious answers to sarcastic questions.
#42 Posted by SRK on November 22, 2007 1:55:35 pm
#41
"No, it is not my vision of democracy. We need to go a long way."
Can you please elaborate? What is your vision of democracy? What needs to be changed in India for you to change your opnion? Do you have any examples of ideal democracy that currently exists in the world?
TIA
"No, it is not my vision of democracy. We need to go a long way."
Can you please elaborate? What is your vision of democracy? What needs to be changed in India for you to change your opnion? Do you have any examples of ideal democracy that currently exists in the world?
TIA
#41 Posted by GT on November 22, 2007 11:30:56 am
#39 Posted by pmishra2:
"So you support the kind of mob violence, killing and looting that is taking place in calcutta? You support calls for the murder of Taslima Nasreen?"
No, I do not.
"This is your vision of democracy????"
No, it is not my vision of democracy. We need to go a long way.
"I am glad to see the army out in force."
And so am I.
"So you support the kind of mob violence, killing and looting that is taking place in calcutta? You support calls for the murder of Taslima Nasreen?"
No, I do not.
"This is your vision of democracy????"
No, it is not my vision of democracy. We need to go a long way.
"I am glad to see the army out in force."
And so am I.
#40 Posted by Shah2 on November 22, 2007 11:25:05 am
It may be major assault to root out minority support to left.if left has used communalism , Congress has always played religion card through Jammat Ulema .
Btw there are many jammats .Jammat Islam Jammat Ulema Hind Jammat Ulema Islami and Tablegh Jammat There counterpart in Bdesh And Pakistan...So Islamic And Jammat are non speific terms
Trouble trio
Idris Ali trying to calm supporters
The persons/organisations associated with the events that led to the flare-up on Wednesday
Name: Idris Ali
Who/what: President of the All India Minority Forum
Known for: Filing public interest litigations (PILs). He says he has filed around 300
What does his forum stand for: Raising minority issues from across the world
Political affiliation: Congress
Earlier trouble with law: Known for putting up road blocks
Presence: Nothing significant
Name: Siddiqullah Chowdhury
Who: Secretary of the Jamait Ulema-i-Hind and convener of the Milli Ittehad Parishad, an umbrella body of minority organisations
Known for: Came under the spotlight during the Nandigram agitation
Political affiliation: Anti-Left
Earlier trouble with law: When he tried to go to Singur frequently to fan anti-Tata Motors protests
Presence: Across Bengal
Idris Ali trying to calm supporters
Name: Toha Siddiqui
Who: President of the Furfura Sarif Muzadeedia Anath Foundation
Known for: One of the members of the pir clan who presides over the religious sect
What does it stand for: Voices minority issues
Political affiliation: Anti-Left
Presence: Large following across Bengal
Strength: Popular support
#39 Posted by pmishra2 on November 22, 2007 11:20:09 am
#38 GT
So you support the kind of mob violence, killing and looting that is taking place in calcutta? You support calls for the murder of Taslima Nasreen? If so, you are a disgusting scumbag.
This is your vision of democracy???? Its not mine, and, yes, this is democrazy. I am glad to see the army out in force.
So you support the kind of mob violence, killing and looting that is taking place in calcutta? You support calls for the murder of Taslima Nasreen? If so, you are a disgusting scumbag.
This is your vision of democracy???? Its not mine, and, yes, this is democrazy. I am glad to see the army out in force.
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