Kolkata on Fire

Well, now a bunch of towns in UP are on fire...

You can't blame it all on pakis any more - these terror attacks... looks like indian muslims are slowly but surely plugging into international jihad ideology...

What say you, GT?

Jasvinder Sanghera

Jasvinder began by saying that she always took every opportunity to speak before an audience on this issue as in her opinion she represented the survivors of forced marriages.

Jasvinder told the audience that she was now 42 years of age but was only 14 years when she first learnt of her parent's intentions to marry her off. She had come back from school and was presented with a picture of the man she was to marry. Of course, she had seen her sisters be married off but suddenly, it was happening to her. By the time she was 15, the pressure – mostly psychological – had increased. When she stood her ground, she was locked in her room and denied any freedom of movement.

Finally, she ran away to Newcastle as no wasn't an option – that to her, signified it was a forced marriage. She further stated that it had not been her intention to run away but merely to prove the point that she did not want to get married.
However, the consequences of her actions soon became clear when she finally plucked up the courage to ring her mother after a few weeks of leaving home. She proceeded to read from two chapters of her book Shame (her story about escaping from being made to marry a man against her wishes and the reaction of her family). Her mother had shouted: Thanks to you I can't walk the streets of Derby any more; I can't go the gurdwara (i.e. the Sikh temple) because people are talking. People spit at me.

After a pause, her mother continued: You'll get what you deserve for ruining your family. You'll see. In a few months time you and your chamar (i.e. lower caste) boyfriend will be rolling around in a gutter which is no more than you deserve. You will amount to nothing, nothing, do you hear me? I hope you give birth to a daughter who does to you what you have done to me, then you'll know what it feels like to raise a prostitute. Jasvinder tried to defend herself, only to hear: Live your life then, and good luck to you. In our eyes you're dead.

Jasvinder then read a passage detailing a telephone conservation between her mother and herself about her older sister Robina – who had secretly kept in touch with her, despite disownment by the family.

What's happened?
She said, It's Robina….She died….She's dead.'
My brain refused to process this. No….Robina was my living, breathing, vibrant elder sister; she was part of me…We'd shared a bed, we'd walked to school together, she bought me clothes for my wedding, I'd seen her just a week ago. 'What do you mean, dead? How has she died, Mum?' The word came out mechanically. I was on autopilot.
There was a pause. I thought I heard a sob. 'She committed suicide. She set herself on fire and died in hospital'.
The world seemed to stop.
My legs went weak and I felt completely hollow. Numb with shock, I stood there listening to this weird, sub-human noise. Then I realised it was howling, and it was coming out of me. I steadied myself up against the wall and said, 'Mum, I'm coming to Derby, Right now'.
'No.' she said it really loudly. 'Don't come to Derby. Don't come here; don't show your face here. You'll just make things worse.'
'Mum. Robina is dead. Are you not going to let me come to the house?'
'No. You will make it worse.' She hesitated. 'You can come when it's dark and nobody is here.'
I said, 'Mum, please….'
'No. I'm telling you, you'll make it worse.'

Jasvinder closed her book and turned to the audience: That's what you get when you fight for your rights. You're seen as the perpetrator, not the victim. Jasvinder told the audience that suicide amongst 16-24 year old Asian women was 2-3 times higher than the national average. Forced marriage was a real issue. Her organisation, Karma Nirvana, dealt with 7 forced marriages cases a week (of both men and women). She implored the audience that one should Never make a woman believe forced marriage is alright. Her family had made her believe that to go against her family, she had shamed them.

She observed that the Home Office's Forced Marriage Unit dealt with 250 cases a year, 50% of which concerned minors. She lambasted the political correctness that had allowed the practice of forced marriage to continue. It was a human rights issue in her eyes. She supported Lord Lester's Bill on Forced Marriages as it ensured that forced marriage was seen as a crime.

Jasvinder then told the stories of two women who had not survived:

Ruhksana Naz
Her family had found out she had a boyfriend and was forced to marry someone of their choosing. Upon marrying, she became pregnant and her mother, on the mere suspicion that the child was not her husband's, told her to abort the child (she was 7 months pregnant) or the family would kill her. One day, her mother and brother took her down to the cellar. Her mother sat on Ruhksana's legs whilst her brother strangled her to death.

Yes, aslam, I have read Jasvinder's book. Not very interesting, but upsetting. Your point is? What does this or Ruksana Naz have to do with the topic at hand?

I thought one of the reasons for disturbance in kolkata is the mysterious death of rizwan a muslim guy who married a hindu woman. My point is this problem is not limited to India it happens even in the UK amongst Sikhs and muslims but rarely hindus.

No, it has nothing at all to do with Rizwan...there has been a public outcry in Calcutta about his death, and so there should, but among Hindus as well as Muslims. As I have said on UP, this could have happened to a poor Hindu boy (don't you watch Hindi films?) but not to a rich Muslim boy who would have had his own clout.

#49
"looks like indian muslims are slowly but surely plugging into international jihad ideology..'.


Besharm ..from Hashimpura to Gujjuriot qatal bhi karo and blame the minority 0f 10% ..Its MORE likely BJP does this as set up to massacre muslims than muslims of india insane mind would take up 90% nonm muslims wrath

#53
I know money can buy lot of things including love ,marraige ,besids material.You can blame 90% of worlds problem on Poverty .Its a commonest denominator least controversial.

did the boy lie he was rich .Did she not frequented his 'HUT' and new fully well .
Question is of Parental acceptence
does not law give an adult to marry rich or poor as long as the parties agree to it .
For you it may be wealth for other it is religion and for other it is love. Atleast this determing factor is common in most marriages.

Re: # 53
Jasvinder, arshad manji, hirsa ali, have all one thing in common they’ve seen how the white girls in the west, live and behave, boyfriends, drinking, partying etc. they blame their families, religion, culture for denying them these pleasures. They then go on to write a book denouncing their families, religion etc, their books become bestsellers and they are laughing all the way to the bank, I wonder who is taking who for the ride here.

12 head, anyone but you can see I am not saying it was a good thing, merely pointing out why it happened, and I keep saying it should never have happened, and the Todis should be punished.

my dear Torsa Ghosal -- your article is well written but too diffuse -- going in too many directions at the same time -- are you mad at the minority forum fundos, or on strikes, bandhs and road congeting traffic-blocking processions. Calcutta is one of the most crowded, dirtiest, smelliest, poorest most anarchist cities of the entire subcontinent -- so what else is new.

I wish you had stayed a little more with Tasleema Nasreen's plight in the land of the free and the abode of the freedom of expression.

The leftists have betrayed her -- the congressites are going to do another shah-bano on her as well -- India has gone to dogs whether in Calcutta or in Delhi.

They should be ashamed of themselves -- bouncing her like a soccer ball from Calcutta to Delhi -- Delhi to Jaipur -- of all the places Jaipur! -- and from Jaipur back to Delhi. what has happened to India -- in that goddam country there is no place for an iconoclast -- everybody has to be either a goddam Hindu Hindutva or a Muslim jihadi bastard to be able to live in that godforsaken country -- where the rest of the people are dreaming of the hydrogen bombs while defecating near the railway lines.

Don't humiliate a wrtier like Tasleema Nasreen for having the guts to scrape the bottom of Muslim mental, social, cultural, educational, and political backwardness. Let her live in India in peace and with dignity -- don't take away her pen -- let her write whatever she wants to say about her own crummy community -- and hang the forum fundos by the nearest lamp post -- of course with due process of law -- if any of them criminals harm the Muslim Joan of Ark in anyway.

Bengalis are violent and unpatriotic people.

Those who claim to undrestand abstruse and obtuse marx theories cannot distinguish between tenant and owner. Okay who wants to believe that?

sou bat ki ek bat. these people are violent and unpatriotic.

Rizwan was killed by a bengali and not by a marwari. Proves my point. These people are violent. Violence breeds violence.

How do we distinguish between migrant Muslims from Bangladesh from local variety? For that matter how do we distinguish between Muslim Bengalis and non-Muslim Bengalis?

Muslims should not be paid back in Indian coins but American dollars. They are already getting paid back. In USD.

Eisnsteinwallah, how come you know who killed Rizwan and the cops don't??
For someone who has spent years in Calcutta-as it was known then-you should know there are many differences between East and West Bengalis. Between Bengali Hindus and Muslims? You'll just have to ask.