Beena Sarwar November 23, 2007
#42 Posted by tahmed32 on November 24, 2007 9:07:16 am
hamidm #39 the Chief Justice has already won even as chowk geniuses are declaring the democracy movement dead. Reason: the key issue which caused Musharraf to try and bully (and then "fire") the Chief Justice was the Mush getting a rubber stamp from the Supreme Court to wear the uniform and be president at the same time. Today, he dares not ask even the rubber stamps he has sitting in the SC for this favor!!
Once the general is separated from his uniform, he is a paper tiger swimming with the sharks (to mix metaphors again).
So - as Churchill said, in case of victory, you drink because you have earned it and in case of defeat you drink because you need it. So go ahead and drink if you wish - but do it for the right reason. To celebrate.
Once the general is separated from his uniform, he is a paper tiger swimming with the sharks (to mix metaphors again).
So - as Churchill said, in case of victory, you drink because you have earned it and in case of defeat you drink because you need it. So go ahead and drink if you wish - but do it for the right reason. To celebrate.
#41 Posted by masadi on November 24, 2007 9:01:29 am
In # 40 read "from its entire life scence," as
from the entire life scene,
Indeed, humankind (on a global level) in this world dominated by the US elite are in a state of perpetual loss, just as stated in the Quran, except for the socially conscious....develop that consciousness even though you can't change society, at least you can liberate yourself from such a pathetically enslaved existance....
from the entire life scene,
Indeed, humankind (on a global level) in this world dominated by the US elite are in a state of perpetual loss, just as stated in the Quran, except for the socially conscious....develop that consciousness even though you can't change society, at least you can liberate yourself from such a pathetically enslaved existance....
#40 Posted by masadi on November 24, 2007 8:57:48 am
in #37 read "what affects them only and now what affects their wider society and millions like them..."
as "what affects them only and not what affects their wider society and millions like them
p.s: Also note this very familiar trend in the impersonal messages of the peons of the West, they always end with a "personal" note of "coffee with friends", revealing how everything in a society where human worth is based on mere "use value" is manipulated for ulterior motive. Coffee with friends is the residual after you alienate yourself from everything but your immediate family concerns, the plastic friendships that are presented in a warm and fuzzy manner for such manipulation reflect a society in which people are deeply alienated from others, from its entire life scence, work as well as leisure and finally from itself: There you have the Western heaven: a human graveyard where nothing is sacred except the need to garnish maximum benefit for yourself, individuation to the extreme, at the expense of everything else and so when the full circle is made you whore yourself to the highest bidder as well.....Know your enemy who wants to rob you of your humanity, know tahmed.....
as "what affects them only and not what affects their wider society and millions like them
p.s: Also note this very familiar trend in the impersonal messages of the peons of the West, they always end with a "personal" note of "coffee with friends", revealing how everything in a society where human worth is based on mere "use value" is manipulated for ulterior motive. Coffee with friends is the residual after you alienate yourself from everything but your immediate family concerns, the plastic friendships that are presented in a warm and fuzzy manner for such manipulation reflect a society in which people are deeply alienated from others, from its entire life scence, work as well as leisure and finally from itself: There you have the Western heaven: a human graveyard where nothing is sacred except the need to garnish maximum benefit for yourself, individuation to the extreme, at the expense of everything else and so when the full circle is made you whore yourself to the highest bidder as well.....Know your enemy who wants to rob you of your humanity, know tahmed.....
#39 Posted by hamidm2 on November 24, 2007 8:53:34 am
Re: # 33
zeemax mian,
........ to be honest, i really don't care any more ....... if i wasn't a drinking man already, this would have driven me to drink
...... apdm without maulana fazloo is what? ..... imran khan (party of one - he can't even get a dinner date), qazi hussain (party of four mullahs - just enough to haram a chicken or ruin a kid's cirumcision), pml-n (mustafa khar does a better job at keeping his wives from running off than they do at keeping their 'members' in the fold)......
........ as long as ppp, maulana fazloo, mqm and the quisling league take part in the elections, musharraf can claim victory for democracy and make the 'opposition' irrelevant ...... and the majority of the people, who are sick and tired of sloganeering and distrustful of all politicians, will go along with him ......... the media and the lawyers will also grab at the bones that will be thrown their way and call off their schoolboy protests ......
........ i don't think nawaz sharif will want to run the risk of becoming irrelevant and will end up contesting the elections ...... only poor javed hashmi will be back in jail and the sharif brothers won't even come to visit him ........ the only sharif in pakistan is babra sharif - god bless her ..........
zeemax mian,
........ to be honest, i really don't care any more ....... if i wasn't a drinking man already, this would have driven me to drink
...... apdm without maulana fazloo is what? ..... imran khan (party of one - he can't even get a dinner date), qazi hussain (party of four mullahs - just enough to haram a chicken or ruin a kid's cirumcision), pml-n (mustafa khar does a better job at keeping his wives from running off than they do at keeping their 'members' in the fold)......
........ as long as ppp, maulana fazloo, mqm and the quisling league take part in the elections, musharraf can claim victory for democracy and make the 'opposition' irrelevant ...... and the majority of the people, who are sick and tired of sloganeering and distrustful of all politicians, will go along with him ......... the media and the lawyers will also grab at the bones that will be thrown their way and call off their schoolboy protests ......
........ i don't think nawaz sharif will want to run the risk of becoming irrelevant and will end up contesting the elections ...... only poor javed hashmi will be back in jail and the sharif brothers won't even come to visit him ........ the only sharif in pakistan is babra sharif - god bless her ..........
#38 Posted by masadi on November 24, 2007 8:52:19 am
know your enemy, who wants you to be cheerfully preoccupied with things that will ensure that nothing changes for you and the benefits keep accruing to the elite that rules over you mercilessly in a global system in which things of consequence proceed from the decision or criminal neglect by an elite that holds the strings and the controls of global institutions.....know your enemy who will stab you in the back because he has sold his soul to the Western elite, know tahmed...
#37 Posted by masadi on November 24, 2007 8:50:08 am
Tahmed's recent plagirised ilog in which he writes "Pay attention to the things that are critical to your happiness. Play with your children. Take time to get medical checkups. Ta ke your spouse out to dinner. Play another 18. There will always be time to clean the house and fix the disposal. Take care of the golf balls first--the things that really matter. Set your priorities. The rest is just sand."
As usual this peon of the West is trying to legitimize US barbarism, and if you are smart you'll recognize that by his example he wants people to consider "important", what affects them only and now what affects their wider society and millions like them. He wants them to have false consciousness and not "class" consciousness so that they continue in their slavery to the elite that runs away with everything including their unfilfilled lives of misery chasing $$ and dreams which are phantoms that they never attain. IT is the sand and the pebbles, the wider social structure that lodges and dislodges the "golf balls", pay acute attention to it and to your fellow human beings other than your family as well, then you will realize that these problems you face regarding the golf balls have their origin in wider social and global structures on top of which sits a barbarous elite....
As usual this peon of the West is trying to legitimize US barbarism, and if you are smart you'll recognize that by his example he wants people to consider "important", what affects them only and now what affects their wider society and millions like them. He wants them to have false consciousness and not "class" consciousness so that they continue in their slavery to the elite that runs away with everything including their unfilfilled lives of misery chasing $$ and dreams which are phantoms that they never attain. IT is the sand and the pebbles, the wider social structure that lodges and dislodges the "golf balls", pay acute attention to it and to your fellow human beings other than your family as well, then you will realize that these problems you face regarding the golf balls have their origin in wider social and global structures on top of which sits a barbarous elite....
#36 Posted by masadi on November 24, 2007 8:41:54 am
Hamid's post ""He is returning under some understanding and we hope he sticks to it," a senior federal government official said while talking to an international news agency.
"He must go by the rules and not indulge in confrontational politics." "
American "democracy" at its best. Predetermine the campaigns, predetermine the issues, predetermine the candidates, predetermine their behavior, and then watch the rats run around in a cage and imagine they have all the freedom in the world, and then define that as democracy which the rest of the world needs to emulate.....or they will be mercilessly butchered by America's military might...
"He must go by the rules and not indulge in confrontational politics." "
American "democracy" at its best. Predetermine the campaigns, predetermine the issues, predetermine the candidates, predetermine their behavior, and then watch the rats run around in a cage and imagine they have all the freedom in the world, and then define that as democracy which the rest of the world needs to emulate.....or they will be mercilessly butchered by America's military might...
#35 Posted by masadi on November 24, 2007 8:40:42 am
Hamid's post ""He is returning under some understanding and we hope he sticks to it," a senior federal government official said while talking to an international news agency.
"He must go by the rules and not indulge in confrontational politics." "
American "democracy" at its best. Predetermine the campaigns, predetermine the issues, predetermine the candidates, predetermine their behavior, and then watch the rats run around in a cage and imagine they have all the freedom in the world, and then define that as democracy which the rest of the world needs to emulate.....or they will be mercilessly butchered by America's military might...
"He must go by the rules and not indulge in confrontational politics." "
American "democracy" at its best. Predetermine the campaigns, predetermine the issues, predetermine the candidates, predetermine their behavior, and then watch the rats run around in a cage and imagine they have all the freedom in the world, and then define that as democracy which the rest of the world needs to emulate.....or they will be mercilessly butchered by America's military might...
#34 Posted by rf786 on November 24, 2007 8:01:12 am
Amazing or what. All that hot air taken out in just a matter of few weeks. Gone are the long marches, masquerades, protests and those who were leading the idiots have turned their attention to that farcical election.
Once again, people of Pakistan are being led down the same path of deception, false hopes and promises that will never be fulfilled.
Establishment is supreme and the pillars of power remain strong as ever. I pity those poor souls that really believe change is coming, maybe this time it will be different? Aint gonna happen.
There seems to be two routes to achieve change, one that is propagated by tampax ie talibanization or cannabalization of Pakistan; then the other is dismemberment of this most painfully artificial federation. As long as we have western forces stationed in this region we can forget the former, the latter seems more probable an event.
Once again, people of Pakistan are being led down the same path of deception, false hopes and promises that will never be fulfilled.
Establishment is supreme and the pillars of power remain strong as ever. I pity those poor souls that really believe change is coming, maybe this time it will be different? Aint gonna happen.
There seems to be two routes to achieve change, one that is propagated by tampax ie talibanization or cannabalization of Pakistan; then the other is dismemberment of this most painfully artificial federation. As long as we have western forces stationed in this region we can forget the former, the latter seems more probable an event.
#33 Posted by zeemax on November 24, 2007 7:59:25 am
I just read your #31. Yes there's surely some understanding, but what can it be? You say "He must go by the rules and not indulge in confrontational politics.". Would boycotting violate that understanding?
#32 Posted by zeemax on November 24, 2007 7:50:10 am
#29 Posted by hamidm2,
Haha ... thanks for showing up.
No, it appears entire APDM minus Fazlur Rahman is going to boycott. Just heard Shahbaz Sharif's interview on BBC Urdu Service Radio as well as Qazi Hussain.
What do you think?
Haha ... thanks for showing up.
No, it appears entire APDM minus Fazlur Rahman is going to boycott. Just heard Shahbaz Sharif's interview on BBC Urdu Service Radio as well as Qazi Hussain.
What do you think?
#31 Posted by hamidm2 on November 24, 2007 7:49:24 am
everyone must play by the rules except al-lah's unwashed warriors
ISLAMABAD: Former Pakistani premier Nawaz Sharif came to an "understanding" with senior officials ahead of his planned return Sunday from exile, an informed government source said while talking to a French news agency.
Sharif met Pakistani intelligence chief Lieutenant General Nadeem Taj and a close aide to Musharraf in Saudi Arabia where the former premier has been living in exile for the past seven years.
The meeting followed Musharraf's own talks there with Saudi King Abdullah, which a Pakistani official said included the issue of Sharif's return.
"He is returning under some understanding and we hope he sticks to it," a senior federal government official said while talking to an international news agency.
"He must go by the rules and not indulge in confrontational politics."
#30 Posted by ijaz_gul on November 24, 2007 7:46:54 am
Beena,
The voice of the Journalists, some idealist lawyers and political activists are but a single voice in the wilderness. Who cares. Both Aaj and ARY are back without their sting. There have been no mass rallies by political parties to support the activism of lawyers and journalists and soon it will be sab acha after the elections. This movement too will be resigned to attics like the MRD. Nonetheless there have to be some who keep ticking away. Some day it will happen.
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Romair,
I totally disagree with your thesis on the military. I feel the strings are atached to Kargil and its just self preservation.
#29 Posted by hamidm2 on November 24, 2007 7:46:13 am
Re: # 23
zeemax mian,
.... ji, farmaye ? ..... even though after this latest case of turnsherwani by nawaz sharif i have given up all hope and have decided to apply for indian citizenship, i am still curious about what you think ........
anil kumble zindabad !
shoaib malik murdabad !
zeemax mian,
.... ji, farmaye ? ..... even though after this latest case of turnsherwani by nawaz sharif i have given up all hope and have decided to apply for indian citizenship, i am still curious about what you think ........
anil kumble zindabad !
shoaib malik murdabad !
#28 Posted by zeemax on November 24, 2007 7:40:26 am
#27 Posted by bubba,
Why should USA want to apply any pressure?
Why should USA want to apply any pressure?
#27 Posted by bubba on November 24, 2007 7:31:03 am
What can the US do? What pressure can the US apply? Can anyone elaborate?
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